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qquito
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:04 pm
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Hell, All:
Can anyone tell how the word "Euthyphro" in Plato's dialogue thus
titled is pronounced? I am talking about the Euthypro Dilemma recorded
in the dialogue.
Thanks.
--Roland
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Jim Lawton
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:00 pm
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On 18 Oct 2005 00:04:41 -0700, "qquito" <qquito@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Hell, All:
Can anyone tell how the word "Euthyphro" in Plato's dialogue thus
titled is pronounced? I am talking about the Euthypro Dilemma recorded
in the dialogue.
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"fish"?
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Jim
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Drexl's GAY Escort Agency
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:47 pm
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Youth EE PRO
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Agamemnon
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:48 pm
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"qquito" <qquito@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hell, All:
Can anyone tell how the word "Euthyphro" in Plato's dialogue thus
titled is pronounced? I am talking about the Euthypro Dilemma recorded
in the dialogue.
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Ev-thi-fro
"thi" as in thin
"fro" as in from (with a rolled r like in Scott's)
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Drexl's GAY Escort Agency
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:56 pm
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| Shut up you DUMB ciunt |
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Martin Bonner
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:06 pm
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Agamemnon wrote:
| Quote: | "qquito" <qquito@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129619081.928768.75390@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hell, All:
Can anyone tell how the word "Euthyphro" in Plato's dialogue thus
titled is pronounced? I am talking about the Euthypro Dilemma recorded
in the dialogue.
Ev-thi-fro
"thi" as in thin
"fro" as in from (with a rolled r like in Scott's)
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Are you sure that shouldn't be you-thi-fro? I would have expected the
initial "Eu" to be the same sound as in "Europe" |
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Agamemnon
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:30 pm
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"Martin Bonner" <martinfrompi@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Agamemnon wrote:
"qquito" <qquito@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129619081.928768.75390@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hell, All:
Can anyone tell how the word "Euthyphro" in Plato's dialogue thus
titled is pronounced? I am talking about the Euthypro Dilemma recorded
in the dialogue.
Ev-thi-fro
"thi" as in thin
"fro" as in from (with a rolled r like in Scott's)
Are you sure that shouldn't be you-thi-fro? I would have expected the
initial "Eu" to be the same sound as in "Europe"
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Are you serious ?
Eu is always pronounced Ev in Greek.
Europe is Ev-ro-bi
"ro" as in rod
"bi" as in bin
All the vowels and consonants have changed their sound in Germanic languages
in the past 2000 years whereas in Greek they have remained constant so do
not consider English as a guide to Greek pronunciation. |
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Jim Lawton
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:34 pm
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On 18 Oct 2005 04:06:21 -0700, "Martin Bonner" <martinfrompi@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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Agamemnon wrote:
"qquito" <qquito@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129619081.928768.75390@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hell, All:
Can anyone tell how the word "Euthyphro" in Plato's dialogue thus
titled is pronounced? I am talking about the Euthypro Dilemma recorded
in the dialogue.
Ev-thi-fro
"thi" as in thin
"fro" as in from (with a rolled r like in Scott's)
Are you sure that shouldn't be you-thi-fro? I would have expected the
initial "Eu" to be the same sound as in "Europe"
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Got to remember that the letter get muddled in transliteration etc :-
Modern Greek I find :-
"EU eu either like ef in clef, or like ev in event"
http://www.smartphrase.com/Greek/gr_pronunciation.shtml
but in ancient Greek I find :-
U "upsilon" Pronounced like a German ü as in "für." In some dialects it was more
like the OO in "too," and this is the sound it has in the diphthongs
http://www.cs.utk.edu/~mclennan/BA/pronunciation.html
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Jim
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Walter Constantin Gogu Co
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:25 pm
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Ignore this Cockney Fruitcake
He pronounces "Fruitcake" Thus........
....... FREW IT GAYG |
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Xanthos
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Walter Constantin Gogu Costica Brincoveanu Mitty wrote:
| Quote: | Ignore the Cockney Fruitcake Vasif
He pronounces "Fruitcake" Thus........
...... FREW IT GAYG |
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CDB
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:44 pm
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"qquito" <qquito@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129619081.928768.75390@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Hell, All:
Can anyone tell how the word "Euthyphro" in Plato's dialogue thus
titled is pronounced? I am talking about the Euthypro Dilemma
recorded
in the dialogue.
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All the interesting discussion about ancient and modern Greek
pronunciations to one side, I think it's the modern English
pronunciation you want. I suggest "YOUTH-i-fro". I admit I don't
recall ever hearing the name pronounced but, if it's connected with
"euthúphron" (right-minded), then, even though the accent in Greek was
placed as you see, the upsilon is short (according to my big _Liddell
and Scott_): which means the word would have gone from Latin into
English with the stress* on the first syllable.
The other possibility is "you-THI-fro", based on taking the Greek
tonal accent as a stress mark. I should think either version would be
accepted without comment. Oh, and the "th" would probably be unvoiced
in the first version, especially by North Americans, and voiced in the
second, as in "this".
_________________
*Note distinction between accent and stress. Ancient Greek was
apparently a language that marked syllables by length and tone more
than by stress. |
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Ted Schuerzinger
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:19 pm
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Somebody claiming to be "Agamemnon" <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in
news:sM-dnaGOnNCcQMnenZ2dnUVZ8qudnZ2d@pipex.net:
| Quote: | Eu is always pronounced Ev in Greek.
Europe is Ev-ro-bi
"ro" as in rod
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Which dialect's pronunciation of "rod"? :-)
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Ted <fedya at bestweb dot net>
Oh Marge, anyone can miss Canada, all tucked away down there....
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Moo Moo MhuttsAss
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:31 pm
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Ignore him
He's a Grik Cypriot by proxy and a COCKney by birth
Say no more ! |
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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:52 pm
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On 18 Oct 2005 00:04:41 -0700, "qquito" <qquito@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Can anyone tell how the word "Euthyphro" in Plato's dialogue thus
titled is pronounced? I am talking about the Euthypro Dilemma recorded
in the dialogue.
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Depends.
Would you like the Renaissance German prinunciation of Erasmus, or the movern
Greek prununciation.
The latter would be something like eff-thi-pro (pro as in "property").
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Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:18 pm
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CDB wrote:
| Quote: | "qquito" <qquito@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129619081.928768.75390@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hell, All:
Can anyone tell how the word "Euthyphro" in Plato's dialogue thus
titled is pronounced? I am talking about the Euthypro Dilemma
recorded
in the dialogue.
All the interesting discussion about ancient and modern Greek
pronunciations to one side, I think it's the modern English
pronunciation you want. I suggest "YOUTH-i-fro". I admit I don't
recall ever hearing the name pronounced but, if it's connected with
"euthúphron" (right-minded), then, even though the accent in Greek
was
placed as you see, the upsilon is short (according to my big
_Liddell
and Scott_): which means the word would have gone from Latin into
English with the stress* on the first syllable.
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YOUTH-i-fro was standard when I was a student. There's been a
geologically slow move toward more authentic pronunciations over the
years, but I don't think it's had very much effect on well-known
titles: the new OCD certainly retains the old spelling, so I'd stick
with the pronunciation.
--
Mike. |
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