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the Omrud
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject: Sacrilege

Look, I know I'm not supposed to have a religion, but may I burn whoever is responsible for this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite: "Marmite is also manufactured in New Zealand, where the ingredients include sugar." -- David ===== replace usenet with the

Jim Lawton
Guest

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Sacrilege

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:17:33 GMT, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

Look, I know I'm not supposed to have a religion, but may I burn
whoever is responsible for this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite:
"Marmite is also manufactured in New Zealand, where the ingredients
include sugar."

Was that in some subsequent link? All I get is :-

We don't have an article called "Marmite:"
--
Jim
the polymoth

Donna Richoux
Guest

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: Sacrilege

Jim Lawton <usenet1@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> wrote:

Quote:

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:17:33 GMT, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com> wrote:

Look, I know I'm not supposed to have a religion, but may I burn
whoever is responsible for this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite:
"Marmite is also manufactured in New Zealand, where the ingredients
include sugar."

Was that in some subsequent link? All I get is :-

We don't have an article called "Marmite:"

Contaminating end punctuation. Decolonize.

the Omrud
Guest

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: Sacrilege

Donna Richoux spake thusly:

Quote:

Jim Lawton <usenet1@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> wrote:

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:17:33 GMT, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com> wrote:

Look, I know I'm not supposed to have a religion, but may I burn
whoever is responsible for this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite:
"Marmite is also manufactured in New Zealand, where the ingredients
include sugar."

Was that in some subsequent link? All I get is :-

We don't have an article called "Marmite:"

Contaminating end punctuation. Decolonize.

Yes, sorry about that. Colon must be parsed as part of URL. Try
this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite

--
David
=====
replace usenet with the

John Holmes
Guest

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Sacrilege

the Omrud wrote:

Quote:

No, you're not allowed to cook Seventh Day Adventists. They are
vegetarian.

--
Regards
John
for mail: my initials plus a u e
at tpg dot com dot au

Skitt
Guest

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: Sacrilege

the Omrud wrote:

Quote:

Donna Richoux spake thusly:
Jim Lawton wrote:
the Omrud wrote:

Look, I know I'm not supposed to have a religion, but may I burn
whoever is responsible for this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite:
"Marmite is also manufactured in New Zealand, where the
ingredients include sugar."

Was that in some subsequent link? All I get is :-

We don't have an article called "Marmite:"

Contaminating end punctuation. Decolonize.

Yes, sorry about that. Colon must be parsed as part of URL. Try
this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite

Apparently, Forte Agent is not as smart as Outlook Express. OE
ignores the colon at the end.

Mike Lyle
Guest

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: Sacrilege

the Omrud wrote:

Quote:

Donna Richoux spake thusly:

Jim Lawton <usenet1@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> wrote:

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:17:33 GMT, the Omrud
usenet.omrud@gmail.com> wrote:

Look, I know I'm not supposed to have a religion, but may I burn
whoever is responsible for this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite:
"Marmite is also manufactured in New Zealand, where the
ingredients
include sugar."

Was that in some subsequent link? All I get is :-

We don't have an article called "Marmite:"

Contaminating end punctuation. Decolonize.

Yes, sorry about that. Colon must be parsed as part of URL. Try
this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite

My guess -- and my sincere hope -- is that the apparent anomaly is an
artefact of the NZ labelling regulations, rather than evidence of a
heretical recipe. The yeast has to have been fed on something, after
all; and brewer's yeast's natural prey is sugars.

--
Mike.

jerry_friedman@yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: Sacrilege

Mike Lyle wrote:

Quote:

the Omrud wrote:
Donna Richoux spake thusly:

Jim Lawton <usenet1@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> wrote:

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:17:33 GMT, the Omrud
usenet.omrud@gmail.com> wrote:

Look, I know I'm not supposed to have a religion, but may I burn
whoever is responsible for this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite:
"Marmite is also manufactured in New Zealand, where the
ingredients
include sugar."

Was that in some subsequent link? All I get is :-

We don't have an article called "Marmite:"

Contaminating end punctuation. Decolonize.

Yes, sorry about that. Colon must be parsed as part of URL. Try
this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite

My guess -- and my sincere hope -- is that the apparent anomaly is an
artefact of the NZ labelling regulations, rather than evidence of a
heretical recipe. The yeast has to have been fed on something, after
all; and brewer's yeast's natural prey is sugars.

Well, it was when it was baker's yeast.

--
Jerry Friedman has never tasted any of those weird Commonwealth foods.

Mike Lyle
Guest

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:55 am Post subject: Re: Sacrilege

jerry_friedman@yahoo.com wrote:

Quote:

Mike Lyle wrote:
the Omrud wrote:
Donna Richoux spake thusly:

Jim Lawton <usenet1@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> wrote:

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:17:33 GMT, the Omrud
usenet.omrud@gmail.com> wrote:

Look, I know I'm not supposed to have a religion, but may I
burn
whoever is responsible for this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite:
"Marmite is also manufactured in New Zealand, where the
ingredients include sugar."

Was that in some subsequent link? All I get is :-

We don't have an article called "Marmite:"

Contaminating end punctuation. Decolonize.

Yes, sorry about that. Colon must be parsed as part of URL. Try
this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite

My guess -- and my sincere hope -- is that the apparent anomaly is
an
artefact of the NZ labelling regulations, rather than evidence of
a
heretical recipe. The yeast has to have been fed on something,
after
all; and brewer's yeast's natural prey is sugars.

Well, it was when it was baker's yeast.

Still is when it's brewer's: what malting does is convert the starch
into sugar.

What I don't understand is why yeast works for bread even though I
don't use any sugar to start it off. Is there some sugar in flour, or
can the yeast actually eat starch a bit?

--
Mike.

jerry_friedman@yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:08 am Post subject: Re: Sacrilege

Mike Lyle wrote:

Quote:

jerry_friedman@yahoo.com wrote:
Mike Lyle wrote:
the Omrud wrote:
Donna Richoux spake thusly:

Jim Lawton <usenet1@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> wrote:

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:17:33 GMT, the Omrud
usenet.omrud@gmail.com> wrote:

Look, I know I'm not supposed to have a religion, but may I
burn
whoever is responsible for this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite:
"Marmite is also manufactured in New Zealand, where the
ingredients include sugar."

Was that in some subsequent link? All I get is :-

We don't have an article called "Marmite:"

Contaminating end punctuation. Decolonize.

Yes, sorry about that. Colon must be parsed as part of URL. Try
this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite

My guess -- and my sincere hope -- is that the apparent anomaly is
an
artefact of the NZ labelling regulations, rather than evidence of
a
heretical recipe. The yeast has to have been fed on something,
after
all; and brewer's yeast's natural prey is sugars.

Well, it was when it was baker's yeast.

Still is when it's brewer's: what malting does is convert the starch
into sugar.

"Brewer's yeast" sometimes means dead yeast. Have a butcher's at
<http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0860/is_n2_v52/ai_8540087>
for an example. However, I now see that brewers do sometimes (often?
always?) use live yeast.

The yeast in Marmite is presumably dead. I don't think you want to eat
live yeast <http://www.efn.org/~sundance/NutritionalYeast.html>.

Quote:

What I don't understand is why yeast works for bread even though I
don't use any sugar to start it off. Is there some sugar in flour, or
can the yeast actually eat starch a bit?

Can't help you there. If I had to bet, I'd bet that the answer to both
questions is yes.

--
Jerry Friedman

Jitze Couperus
Guest

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: Sacrilege

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:17:33 GMT, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:

I understand your discomfort at the idea of associating Marmite
with sugar, but that mixture was once part of my diet (courtesy
of a brief stint at the command of HM to serve in her armed
services). It may be simulated thus:

Take a slice of fairly solid bread (none of this puffed-up stuff)
and spread it with butter and then Marmite in the usual fashion.
Then sprinkle on it a very thin layer of brown sugar.

Consume same... Just a little bit of brown sugar over the top
changes the experience.

I first encountered this in the form of "Rations, Marching,
Infantry, One for the use of." Came as a pack of 10 thin sandwiches
where the role of the bread was taken by some substance
of Weetabix-like consistency and taste - all hermetically
sealed in tin foil together with five small slabs of chocolate.
It had a name which I can't recall (something like Excelsior?)

Today's equivalent is I believe called an Energy Bar and
is more reminiscent of granola suspended in a matrix
of sugary stuff. I don't enjoy these nearly as much as
a slice of bread with Marmite and brown sugar.

Jitze

Jim Lawton
Guest

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Sacrilege

On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:25:13 +0200, trio@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux) wrote:

Quote:

Wow - sounds like a line from Star Trek Voyager.

I should have spotted that - since I had the retina glued back into my right
eye, sometimes my perception of dots is a bit spotty.
--
Jim
the polymoth

Jim Lawton
Guest

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Sacrilege

On 6 Oct 2005 18:12:56 -0700, "jerry_friedman@yahoo.com"
<jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:

Mike Lyle wrote:
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com wrote:
Mike Lyle wrote:
the Omrud wrote:
Donna Richoux spake thusly:

Jim Lawton <usenet1@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> wrote:

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:17:33 GMT, the Omrud
usenet.omrud@gmail.com> wrote:

Look, I know I'm not supposed to have a religion, but may I
burn
whoever is responsible for this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite:
"Marmite is also manufactured in New Zealand, where the
ingredients include sugar."

Was that in some subsequent link? All I get is :-

We don't have an article called "Marmite:"

Contaminating end punctuation. Decolonize.

Yes, sorry about that. Colon must be parsed as part of URL. Try
this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite

My guess -- and my sincere hope -- is that the apparent anomaly is
an
artefact of the NZ labelling regulations, rather than evidence of
a
heretical recipe. The yeast has to have been fed on something,
after
all; and brewer's yeast's natural prey is sugars.

Well, it was when it was baker's yeast.

Still is when it's brewer's: what malting does is convert the starch
into sugar.

"Brewer's yeast" sometimes means dead yeast. Have a butcher's at
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0860/is_n2_v52/ai_8540087
for an example. However, I now see that brewers do sometimes (often?
always?) use live yeast.

Always - dead yeast isn't very good at converting sugar into alcohol, which is
only yeast-wee after all.

In fact I always regard it as ironic that the single-celled yeast multiplies and
eats everything in its environment til it dies in its own effluent, and we, the
most sophisticated life form on the planet, are going to do the same.

The brewer's yeast in the link is a food supplement - dead like the beef at the
butcher's.

Quote:

The yeast in Marmite is presumably dead. I don't think you want to eat
live yeast <http://www.efn.org/~sundance/NutritionalYeast.html>.

No reason why not. There might be live yeast in bottle-conditioned beers. I'm
not suggesting eating gobs of it though.

Quote:

What I don't understand is why yeast works for bread even though I
don't use any sugar to start it off. Is there some sugar in flour, or
can the yeast actually eat starch a bit?

Can't help you there. If I had to bet, I'd bet that the answer to both
questions is yes.
--

Jim
the polymoth

Jim Lawton
Guest

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: Sacrilege

On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:55:08 +0100, "Mike Lyle"
<mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Quote:

Yes, there are sugars in flour, and if you search for <sugars in flour> in
Google you'll find out more.
--
Jim
the polymoth

Donna Richoux
Guest

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Sacrilege

dcw <D.C.Wood@ukc.ac.uk> wrote:

Quote:

In article <1128647575.969675.284650@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:

The yeast in Marmite is presumably dead.

We're pretty brutal to yeast -- we cook it in bread, drown it in alcohol
in brewing, and do unspeakable things to it in genetic engineering. Join
Friends of Yeast now!

They ploughed, they sowed, they harrowed him in

Throwing clods all on his head
And these three men made a solemn vow
John Barleycorn was dead.

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