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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 6:40 pm
Post subject: Alice Roberts' accent |
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_Coast_: rather a good series on BBC TV, taking us round the
fascinations of the British coastline. Among the likable team is a
crimson-haired and silver-nailed anthropologist, Alice Roberts, with
whom I am much taken. I can't identify her accent, which has "oi" for
"I", "beone" for "bone", "w" for terminal "l", and "aat" for "at",
but seems non-rhotic. Where's she from?
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Areff
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Alice Roberts' accent |
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Mike Lyle wrote:
| Quote: | _Coast_: rather a good series on BBC TV, taking us round the
fascinations of the British coastline. Among the likable team is a
crimson-haired and silver-nailed anthropologist, Alice Roberts, with
whom I am much taken. I can't identify her accent, which has "oi" for
"I", "beone" for "bone", "w" for terminal "l", and "aat" for "at",
but seems non-rhotic. Where's she from?
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Two of those features are present in much British speech I've heard ("w"
for terminal l and "oi" for I). However, there seems to be some denial
regarding the prevalence of "oi" for I in ModBrE. |
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Matti Lamprhey
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:44 pm
Post subject: Re: Alice Roberts' accent |
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"Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote...
| Quote: | _Coast_: rather a good series on BBC TV, taking us round the
fascinations of the British coastline. Among the likable team is a
crimson-haired and silver-nailed anthropologist, Alice Roberts, with
whom I am much taken. I can't identify her accent, which has "oi" for
"I", "beone" for "bone", "w" for terminal "l", and "aat" for "at",
but seems non-rhotic. Where's she from?
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She's also been on _Time Team_ on many occasions, and her accent always
sends the nicest shivers up my, er, spine. Isn't it weird? I've
assumed there's some Bristol in there, but I have no idea where the rest
comes from.
I've just groped her e-mail address and asked her.
Matti |
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TsuiDF
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:38 pm
Post subject: Re: Alice Roberts' accent |
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Matti Lamprhey wrote:
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I've just groped her e-mail address and asked her.
Good thing you didn't get those verbs confused. |
Her accent irritates the hell out of me, but then, crimson hair and
silver nails don't do anything for me either. Silver hair and normal
nails might do, but... I digress.
Stephanie
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Mickwick
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:32 am
Post subject: Re: Alice Roberts' accent |
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In alt.usage.english, Matti Lamprhey wrote:
| Quote: | "Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote...
_Coast_: rather a good series on BBC TV, taking us round the
fascinations of the British coastline. Among the likable team is a
crimson-haired and silver-nailed anthropologist, Alice Roberts, with
whom I am much taken. I can't identify her accent, which has "oi" for
"I", "beone" for "bone", "w" for terminal "l", and "aat" for "at",
but seems non-rhotic. Where's she from?
She's also been on _Time Team_ on many occasions, and her accent always
sends the nicest shivers up my, er, spine. Isn't it weird? I've
assumed there's some Bristol in there, but I have no idea where the rest
comes from.
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Speaking of _Time Team_ - can anyone pin down the accent used by that
oldish bloke with long raggedy grey hair? It sounds to me like the most
affected and clueless type of Mummerset but I'm no expert. (Though I am
certain it's not Devon or Cornwall.)
| Quote: | I've just groped her e-mail address and asked her.
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Put away those fiery biscuits!
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Wood Avens
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:02 am
Post subject: Re: Alice Roberts' accent |
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On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:32:33 +0100, Mickwick <groups@reply-to.domain>
wrote:
| Quote: | Speaking of _Time Team_ - can anyone pin down the accent used by that
oldish bloke with long raggedy grey hair? It sounds to me like the most
affected and clueless type of Mummerset but I'm no expert. (Though I am
certain it's not Devon or Cornwall.)
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Not sure if you mean Phil Harding (tall, hat, flint-knapping, tries
his hand at most of the reconstruction stuff) or Mick Aston (beard,
stripy jumpers, prof at Bristol). Phil is genuine west country -- I
deduce Somerset; Mick grew up in the Black Country. This and other
info from their outline biogs on the Time Team website.
http://www.channel4.com/history/timeteam/biog_phil.html
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Katy Jennison
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Pat Durkin
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:05 am
Post subject: Re: Alice Roberts' accent |
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"Matti Lamprhey" <matti@official-totally-reversed.com> wrote in message
news:3ljt70F1343fdU1@individual.net...
| Quote: | "Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote...
_Coast_: rather a good series on BBC TV, taking us round the
fascinations of the British coastline. Among the likable team is a
crimson-haired and silver-nailed anthropologist, Alice Roberts, with
whom I am much taken. I can't identify her accent, which has "oi" for
"I", "beone" for "bone", "w" for terminal "l", and "aat" for "at",
but seems non-rhotic. Where's she from?
She's also been on _Time Team_ on many occasions, and her accent always
sends the nicest shivers up my, er, spine. Isn't it weird? I've
assumed there's some Bristol in there, but I have no idea where the rest
comes from.
I've just groped her e-mail address and asked her.
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Hope you get an answer!
To tell the truth, I adore Time Team, though most of the time on the channel
I get it on is on our "BBCamerica", under the title "Exploring History".
But, then, it may be on one of the digital history channels. Come to think
of it, I haven't seen hide nor hair of the program since I switched to Dish. |
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Mickwick
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:07 am
Post subject: Re: Alice Roberts' accent |
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In alt.usage.english, Wood Avens wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:32:33 +0100, Mickwick <groups@reply-to.domain
Speaking of _Time Team_ - can anyone pin down the accent used by that
oldish bloke with long raggedy grey hair? It sounds to me like the most
affected and clueless type of Mummerset but I'm no expert. (Though I am
certain it's not Devon or Cornwall.)
Not sure if you mean Phil Harding (tall, hat, flint-knapping, tries
his hand at most of the reconstruction stuff) or Mick Aston (beard,
stripy jumpers, prof at Bristol). Phil is genuine west country -- I
deduce Somerset; Mick grew up in the Black Country. This and other
info from their outline biogs on the Time Team website.
http://www.channel4.com/history/timeteam/biog_phil.html
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That's the one. Phil Harding. Thanks.
*Is* he for real, though?
For a start, the Web says that he was 'educated in Marlborough'. An 'at'
is surely possible there.
Also, he allowed himself to get taken over body and soul (and accent?)
by American 'blues' music for several years. Not proof of current fakery
but certainly proof of an existential weakness, of a 'blowin' in de
wind' tendency towards fakery.
But come on, Phil! Stick up for yourself! Where are you? Speak, man,
speak!
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Mickwick
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:56 am
Post subject: Re: Alice Roberts' accent |
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Mickwick spake thusly:
| Quote: | In alt.usage.english, Wood Avens wrote:
On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:32:33 +0100, Mickwick <groups@reply-to.domain
http://www.channel4.com/history/timeteam/biog_phil.html
That's the one. Phil Harding. Thanks.
*Is* he for real, though?
For a start, the Web says that he was 'educated in Marlborough'. An 'at'
is surely possible there.
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Not necessarily. There must be tens of thousands who have been
educated in Marlborough, but not at Marlborough:
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/stpetjun.wilts/
I, for one, was educated in Bromsgrove, but not at Bromsgrove.
Interestingly, I'm told that I was at school with that John Gator
(same link as Phil Harding), but I don't remember him in any way.
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David
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Robin Bignall
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:09 am
Post subject: Re: Alice Roberts' accent |
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On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:32:33 +0100, Mickwick <groups@reply-to.domain>
wrote:
| Quote: | In alt.usage.english, Matti Lamprhey wrote:
"Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote...
_Coast_: rather a good series on BBC TV, taking us round the
fascinations of the British coastline. Among the likable team is a
crimson-haired and silver-nailed anthropologist, Alice Roberts, with
whom I am much taken. I can't identify her accent, which has "oi" for
"I", "beone" for "bone", "w" for terminal "l", and "aat" for "at",
but seems non-rhotic. Where's she from?
She's also been on _Time Team_ on many occasions, and her accent always
sends the nicest shivers up my, er, spine. Isn't it weird? I've
assumed there's some Bristol in there, but I have no idea where the rest
comes from.
Speaking of _Time Team_ - can anyone pin down the accent used by that
oldish bloke with long raggedy grey hair? It sounds to me like the most
affected and clueless type of Mummerset but I'm no expert. (Though I am
certain it's not Devon or Cornwall.)
I've just groped her e-mail address and asked her.
Put away those fiery biscuits!
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Just a minute: That's about the dozenth time in 30 days that you've
used "fiery". Ding. Repetition.
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Robin Bignall
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Areff
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 8:30 am
Post subject: Re: Alice Roberts' accent |
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Stephen Hayes wrote:
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Areff wrote in a message to All:
A> Two of those features are present in much British speech I've heard
A> ("w" for terminal l and "oi" for I). However, there seems to be
A> some denial regarding the prevalence of "oi" for I in ModBrE.
"W" for "l" I know about -- Bristol was sometimes spelt "Bristow", and was
often pronounced like that by natives before the Estuary accent rolled
westwards like the Severn bore.
But could you give examples of the "oi" for "i"?
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Geez, it's everywhere! Listen to any non-RonE-speaking BrE speaker and
chances are he (or she) pronounces "I" ("eye") like [AI] or [A.I], which
to us non-vowel-shifting folk sounds like "oi". |
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Stephen Hayes
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:19 pm
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Areff wrote in a message to All:
A> From: Areff <me@privacy.net>
A> Mike Lyle wrote:
| Quote: | _Coast_: rather a good series on BBC TV, taking us round the
fascinations of the British coastline. Among the likable team is a
crimson-haired and silver-nailed anthropologist, Alice Roberts, with
whom I am much taken. I can't identify her accent, which has "oi" for
"I", "beone" for "bone", "w" for terminal "l", and "aat" for "at",
but seems non-rhotic. Where's she from?
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A> Two of those features are present in much British speech I've heard
A> ("w" for terminal l and "oi" for I). However, there seems to be
A> some denial regarding the prevalence of "oi" for I in ModBrE.
"W" for "l" I know about -- Bristol was sometimes spelt "Bristow", and was
often pronounced like that by natives before the Estuary accent rolled
westwards like the Severn bore.
But could you give examples of the "oi" for "i"?
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Steve Hayes
WWW: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com - If it doesn't work, see webpage.
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Matti Lamprhey
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 4:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Alice Roberts' accent |
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"Stephen Hayes" <Stephen.Hayesp0.f10.n7903.z8@fmlynet.org> wrote...
| Quote: | Areff wrote in a message to All:
Mike Lyle wrote:
_Coast_: rather a good series on BBC TV, taking us round the
fascinations of the British coastline. Among the likable team is a
crimson-haired and silver-nailed anthropologist, Alice Roberts, with
whom I am much taken. I can't identify her accent, which has "oi"
for "I", "beone" for "bone", "w" for terminal "l", and "aat" for
"at", but seems non-rhotic. Where's she from?
Two of those features are present in much British speech I've heard
("w" for terminal l and "oi" for I). However, there seems to be
some denial regarding the prevalence of "oi" for I in ModBrE.
"W" for "l" I know about -- Bristol was sometimes spelt "Bristow", and
was often pronounced like that by natives before the Estuary accent
rolled westwards like the Severn bore.
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Isn't this backwards? Bristow became Bristol because its denizens
changed w's to l's centuries ago, and still do. Areff is talking about
the more recent Estuarine tendency to do the reverse, triggered by the
Sarf Londoner's rather more longstanding practice.
And the Severn Bore rolls (north) eastwards, as shown on the programme
Mike started this thread with.
| Quote: | But could you give examples of the "oi" for "i"?
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He appears to have forgotten that he completely cocked that one up, and
is now reduced to Goebbeling it into our subconsciouses.
Matti |
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Areff
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:28 pm
Post subject: Re: Alice Roberts' accent |
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Matti Lamprhey wrote:
| Quote: | "Stephen Hayes" <Stephen.Hayesp0.f10.n7903.z8@fmlynet.org> wrote...
Areff wrote in a message to All:
Two of those features are present in much British speech I've heard
("w" for terminal l and "oi" for I). However, there seems to be
some denial regarding the prevalence of "oi" for I in ModBrE.
But could you give examples of the "oi" for "i"?
He appears to have forgotten that he completely cocked that one up, and
is now reduced to Goebbeling it into our subconsciouses.
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Roit. |
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Mickwick
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:13 pm
Post subject: Re: Alice Roberts' accent |
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In alt.usage.english, the Omrud wrote:
| Quote: | Mickwick spake thusly:
For a start, the Web says that he was 'educated in Marlborough'. An 'at'
is surely possible there.
Not necessarily.
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Not necessarily possible?
| Quote: | There must be tens of thousands who have been
educated in Marlborough, but not at Marlborough:
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/stpetjun.wilts/
I, for one, was educated in Bromsgrove, but not at Bromsgrove.
Interestingly, I'm told that I was at school with that John Gator
(same link as Phil Harding), but I don't remember him in any way.
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Bromsgrove! Do you know my mate's mate Stinky, by any chance?
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Mickwick
put away those fiery biscuits |
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