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Troy Steadman
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:52 pm
Post subject: What is the name of the Middle Class equivalent of Estuary E |
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Estuary English is established across the South of England from Corwall
to Norfolk, up as far as somewhere just south of Warwick where Midland
takes over.
But there is another standard that you will hear universally over that
same catchment. It derives from the the "cut glass" language of Dylan
Thomas. You can follow both dialects 6.00 am - 12.00 noon UK time on
this London Radio Station where the presenters invariably use
[whateverUcallit] and the callers are likeable taxi-drivers from
deepest Est'ry.
http://tinyurl.com/dubok
[It isn't "Received English" BTW. That is a distinct dialect heard all
over Britain: the Queen speaks it, it is common in Belgravia,
Knightsbridge, on country estates, at Lords, Henley, in Pall Mall and
at the House of Lords]. |
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Linz
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:09 pm
Post subject: Re: What is the name of the Middle Class equivalent of Estua |
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On 5 Aug 2005 00:52:55 -0700, "Troy Steadman"
<troysteadman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | [It isn't "Received English" BTW. That is a distinct dialect heard all
over Britain: the Queen speaks it, it is common in Belgravia,
Knightsbridge, on country estates, at Lords, Henley, in Pall Mall and
at the House of Lords].
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A distinct dialect heard all over Britain? The only places you've
mentioned are in the south-east. It's not heard in, for example, Wet
Yorks, except from people who come from or were educated in the
south-east.
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The point of education is to correct ignorance. It cannot deal with stupidity.
(Mortimer Hebblethwaite, uk.misc) |
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Troy Steadman
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:12 am
Post subject: Re: What is the name of the Middle Class equivalent of Estua |
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Linz wrote:
| Quote: | On 5 Aug 2005 00:52:55 -0700, "Troy Steadman"
troysteadman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
[It isn't "Received English" BTW. That is a distinct dialect heard all
over Britain: the Queen speaks it, it is common in Belgravia,
Knightsbridge, on country estates, at Lords, Henley, in Pall Mall and
at the House of Lords].
A distinct dialect heard all over Britain? The only places you've
mentioned are in the south-east. It's not heard in, for example, Wet
Yorks, except from people who come from or were educated in the
south-east.
--
The point of education is to correct ignorance. It cannot deal with stupidity.
(Mortimer Hebblethwaite, uk.misc)
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Received English is an argot, people who speak it don't "come" from
anywhere. They overwinter in San Tropez and they shop in Milan.
As to the other dialect I don't think (upon reflection) it extends any
further northwards than the Wash. By the time you are in Skegness the
men call each other "dook" and "loove" and that must be a Yorkshire
dialect (even the beer tastes soapy!).
The accent under discussion is no longer a SE accent, you will
encounter as often in Polperro or Newquay. The reason is simple: all
attractive and accessible parts of England have been recolonised by
Londoners.
If no one has a name for this dialect I'm going to give it one:
"Esher".
On the bus outside Surbiton High School you can hear the young ladies -
ethnically English with a few Koreans - practicing their note-perfect
high-class-totty-speak. Every young man who wishes to make it in life
should marry one. |
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Steve Howarth
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 3:54 pm
Post subject: Re: What is the name of the Middle Class equivalent of Estua |
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"Troy Steadman" <troysteadman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1123308057.619469.34920@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Linz wrote:
On 5 Aug 2005 00:52:55 -0700, "Troy Steadman"
troysteadman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
[It isn't "Received English" BTW. That is a distinct dialect heard all
over Britain: the Queen speaks it, it is common in Belgravia,
Knightsbridge, on country estates, at Lords, Henley, in Pall Mall and
at the House of Lords].
A distinct dialect heard all over Britain? The only places you've
mentioned are in the south-east. It's not heard in, for example, Wet
Yorks, except from people who come from or were educated in the
south-east.
--
The point of education is to correct ignorance. It cannot deal with
stupidity.
(Mortimer Hebblethwaite, uk.misc)
Received English is an argot, people who speak it don't "come" from
anywhere. They overwinter in San Tropez and they shop in Milan.
As to the other dialect I don't think (upon reflection) it extends any
further northwards than the Wash. By the time you are in Skegness the
men call each other "dook" and "loove" and that must be a Yorkshire
dialect (even the beer tastes soapy!).
The accent under discussion is no longer a SE accent, you will
encounter as often in Polperro or Newquay. The reason is simple: all
attractive and accessible parts of England have been recolonised by
Londoners.
If no one has a name for this dialect I'm going to give it one:
"Esher".
On the bus outside Surbiton High School you can hear the young ladies -
ethnically English with a few Koreans - practicing their note-perfect
high-class-totty-speak. Every young man who wishes to make it in life
should marry one.
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I've already got a name for it: "Smiley English". Just force a big smile
on your face, and talk yourself through an imaginary conversation.
Hellay! How are yee? Gid. Sorry I can't stop - must dash hame. Me tee.
I find it extremely interesting how much pronunciation had changed in this
country in the last 30-odd years.
Steve Howarth |
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Jess Askin
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:56 pm
Post subject: Re: What is the name of the Middle Class equivalent of Estua |
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"Steve Howarth" <mail@stevehowarth.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dd21d6$i8$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
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"Troy Steadman" <troysteadman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1123308057.619469.34920@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Linz wrote:
On 5 Aug 2005 00:52:55 -0700, "Troy Steadman"
troysteadman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
[It isn't "Received English" BTW. That is a distinct dialect heard
all
over Britain: the Queen speaks it, it is common in Belgravia,
Knightsbridge, on country estates, at Lords, Henley, in Pall Mall and
at the House of Lords].
A distinct dialect heard all over Britain? The only places you've
mentioned are in the south-east. It's not heard in, for example, Wet
Yorks, except from people who come from or were educated in the
south-east.
--
The point of education is to correct ignorance. It cannot deal with
stupidity.
(Mortimer Hebblethwaite, uk.misc)
Received English is an argot, people who speak it don't "come" from
anywhere. They overwinter in San Tropez and they shop in Milan.
As to the other dialect I don't think (upon reflection) it extends any
further northwards than the Wash. By the time you are in Skegness the
men call each other "dook" and "loove" and that must be a Yorkshire
dialect (even the beer tastes soapy!).
The accent under discussion is no longer a SE accent, you will
encounter as often in Polperro or Newquay. The reason is simple: all
attractive and accessible parts of England have been recolonised by
Londoners.
If no one has a name for this dialect I'm going to give it one:
"Esher".
On the bus outside Surbiton High School you can hear the young ladies -
ethnically English with a few Koreans - practicing their note-perfect
high-class-totty-speak. Every young man who wishes to make it in life
should marry one.
I've already got a name for it: "Smiley English". Just force a big smile
on your face, and talk yourself through an imaginary conversation.
Hellay! How are yee? Gid. Sorry I can't stop - must dash hame. Me tee.
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That sounds rather like the "county" accent. Surbiton of course makes me
think of Penelope Keith. |
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Troy Steadman
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:48 pm
Post subject: Re: What is the name of the Middle Class equivalent of Estua |
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Steve Howarth wrote:
| Quote: | "Troy Steadman" <troysteadman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1123308057.619469.34920@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Linz wrote:
On 5 Aug 2005 00:52:55 -0700, "Troy Steadman"
troysteadman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
[It isn't "Received English" BTW. That is a distinct dialect heard all
over Britain: the Queen speaks it, it is common in Belgravia,
Knightsbridge, on country estates, at Lords, Henley, in Pall Mall and
at the House of Lords].
A distinct dialect heard all over Britain? The only places you've
mentioned are in the south-east. It's not heard in, for example, Wet
Yorks, except from people who come from or were educated in the
south-east.
--
The point of education is to correct ignorance. It cannot deal with
stupidity.
(Mortimer Hebblethwaite, uk.misc)
Received English is an argot, people who speak it don't "come" from
anywhere. They overwinter in San Tropez and they shop in Milan.
As to the other dialect I don't think (upon reflection) it extends any
further northwards than the Wash. By the time you are in Skegness the
men call each other "dook" and "loove" and that must be a Yorkshire
dialect (even the beer tastes soapy!).
The accent under discussion is no longer a SE accent, you will
encounter as often in Polperro or Newquay. The reason is simple: all
attractive and accessible parts of England have been recolonised by
Londoners.
If no one has a name for this dialect I'm going to give it one:
"Esher".
On the bus outside Surbiton High School you can hear the young ladies -
ethnically English with a few Koreans - practicing their note-perfect
high-class-totty-speak. Every young man who wishes to make it in life
should marry one.
I've already got a name for it: "Smiley English". Just force a big smile
on your face, and talk yourself through an imaginary conversation.
Hellay! How are yee? Gid. Sorry I can't stop - must dash hame. Me tee.
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No this is "Received English", "hame" is something Princess Anne would
say. No one living in the real world can get away with talking like
that except Henry Blofeld.
| Quote: | I find it extremely interesting how much pronunciation had changed in this
country in the last 30-odd years.
Steve Howarth
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The Neighbours version of Estuary is a mighty subset where every
statement is inflected at the end into a [up] question?
I'm going do my [up] hair? |
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TsuiDF
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:03 pm
Post subject: Re: What is the name of the Middle Class equivalent of Estua |
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Troy Steadman wrote:
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The Neighbours version of Estuary is a mighty subset where every
statement is inflected at the end into a [up] question?
I'm going do my [up] hair?
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But surely the characters doing their hair in Neighbours are Strine?
Stephanie
in Brussels |
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Troy Steadman
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:00 pm
Post subject: Re: What is the name of the Middle Class equivalent of Estua |
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TsuiDF wrote:
| Quote: | Troy Steadman wrote:
The Neighbours version of Estuary is a mighty subset where every
statement is inflected at the end into a [up] question?
I'm going do my [up] hair?
But surely the characters doing their hair in Neighbours are Strine?
Stephanie
in Brussels
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Even in Brussels you've got it off pat!  |
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TsuiDF
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:25 pm
Post subject: Re: What is the name of the Middle Class equivalent of Estua |
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Troy Steadman wrote:
| Quote: | Even in Brussels you've got it off pat!
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Pat's got nowt to do with it, anyone knows she's in East Enders...
Stephanie
back in Brussels
from a bracing afternoon at De Haan
gosh the North Sea looks -- grey |
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