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Raf
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:52 pm
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Especial x special
Is there any difference between them?
Thanks. |
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Don Phillipson
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:00 pm
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"Raf" <gomes.raf@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Especial x special
Is there any difference between them?
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Especial is not a recognized English word.
It looks like a backformation from especially
(which is recognized.)
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Don Phillipson
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Harvey Van Sickle
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:43 pm
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On 27 Jul 2005, Don Phillipson wrote
| Quote: | "Raf" <gomes.raf@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1122475922.549278.208880@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Especial x special
Is there any difference between them?
Especial is not a recognized English word.
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Ummm....what???
It's in Collins, complete with a usage note mentioning that it's
optional where an idea of pre-eminence or individuality is involved.
(An example given there is "he had an especial dislike of relatives".)
The note mentions, though, that in informal usage, "special" is to be
preferred in all cases.
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Cheers, Harvey
Canada for 30 years; S England since 1982.
(for e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van) |
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Cloy
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:27 pm
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I think it's from that common word ick-specially.
As in, "I was ick-specially tickled when he brung me a whole mess 'o
hog jowls."
-c
P.S. I think Harvey is right, it's in the dictionary but it's not
recognized... at least by me. ;-)
Harvey Van Sickle wrote:
| Quote: | On 27 Jul 2005, Don Phillipson wrote
"Raf" <gomes.raf@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1122475922.549278.208880@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Especial x special
Is there any difference between them?
Especial is not a recognized English word.
Ummm....what???
It's in Collins, complete with a usage note mentioning that it's
optional where an idea of pre-eminence or individuality is involved.
(An example given there is "he had an especial dislike of relatives".)
The note mentions, though, that in informal usage, "special" is to be
preferred in all cases.
--
Cheers, Harvey
Canada for 30 years; S England since 1982.
(for e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van) |
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Martin Ambuhl
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:29 pm
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Don Phillipson wrote:
| Quote: | "Raf" <gomes.raf@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1122475922.549278.208880@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Especial x special
Is there any difference between them?
Especial is not a recognized English word.
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That's an especially ill-informed claim.
[COD10]
especial /I"spES(@)l, E-/
· adj.
1 notable; special.
2 for or belonging chiefly to one person or thing.
– ORIGIN ME: via OFr. from L. specialis ‘special’, from species (see
species).
| Quote: | It looks like a backformation from especially
(which is recognized.)
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OED2 has citations for the adjective 'especial' back to 1386.
The adverb 'especially' is recorded shortly thereafter from 1400.
OED2 derives 'especially' from 'especial' + '-ly'. Would you like to
rethink your bald assertions? |
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lhdbaby
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:30 pm
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What my gut says about the difference between the two is this: that
"especial" means "particular" with its emotional sense of "peculiar"
given more emphasis than either of its semantic parallels "conspicuous"
or "individual" -- and this is borne out by Van Sickle's quoted
instance above, I think. The "preferred" word "special" has more
semantic and therefore emotional range -- can mean "absolutely
particular" (as opposed to absolutely general) as in "special instance"
or even "Special Relativity" (as opposed to "General") -- but can also
mean "(meaning) deliberately obscure(d)" as in "she has special needs"
or "they're special children" --but "special" is also able to support
other "meanings" or trigger other "emotional resonances" (given
context) falling between these two as well, etc. |
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meirman
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:15 am
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In alt.english.usage on 27 Jul 2005 09:27:43 -0700 "Cloy"
<cloy@tobola.com> posted:
| Quote: | I think it's from that common word ick-specially.
As in, "I was ick-specially tickled when he brung me a whole mess 'o
hog jowls."
-c
P.S. I think Harvey is right, it's in the dictionary but it's not
recognized... at least by me. 
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Then what is the difference between specially and especially?
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Harvey Van Sickle wrote:
On 27 Jul 2005, Don Phillipson wrote
"Raf" <gomes.raf@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1122475922.549278.208880@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Especial x special
Is there any difference between them?
Especial is not a recognized English word.
Ummm....what???
It's in Collins, complete with a usage note mentioning that it's
optional where an idea of pre-eminence or individuality is involved.
(An example given there is "he had an especial dislike of relatives".)
The note mentions, though, that in informal usage, "special" is to be
preferred in all cases.
--
Cheers, Harvey
Canada for 30 years; S England since 1982.
(for e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van)
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s/ meirman
Posting from alt.english.usage
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For gosh sakes, when you ask a question, say what sort of English you are asking about.
When you give an answer, say in what part of the world you think your answer is valid.
If you are emailing me please
say if you are posting the same response.
Town NW of Pittsburgh Pa. 0 to 10 years | Brooklyn 12 years
Indianapolis 7 years | Now in
Chicago 6 years | Baltimore 22 years |
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Peter Duncanson
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:08 am
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:15:07 -0400, meirman <meirman@invalid.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In alt.english.usage on 27 Jul 2005 09:27:43 -0700 "Cloy"
cloy@tobola.com> posted:
I think it's from that common word ick-specially.
As in, "I was ick-specially tickled when he brung me a whole mess 'o
hog jowls."
-c
P.S. I think Harvey is right, it's in the dictionary but it's not
recognized... at least by me. ;-)
Then what is the difference between specially and especially?
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1. That is an especially difficult question.
2. That is a specially difficult question.
To me, 2 doesn't seem quite right.
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Peter Duncanson
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Harvey Van Sickle
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:52 am
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On 27 Jul 2005, meirman wrote
| Quote: | In alt.english.usage on 27 Jul 2005 09:27:43 -0700 "Cloy"
cloy@tobola.com> posted:
I think it's from that common word ick-specially.
As in, "I was ick-specially tickled when he brung me a whole mess
'o hog jowls."
-c
P.S. I think Harvey is right, it's in the dictionary but it's not
recognized... at least by me. ;-)
Then what is the difference between specially and especially?
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Emphasis -- particularity, as in the Collins usage note about it
pertaining to pre-eminence or individuality.
Special is special; especial is "particularly special".
(That's how I'd distinguish them, anyway...)
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Cheers, Harvey
Canada for 30 years; S England since 1982.
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credoquaabsurdum
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:03 am
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Raf wrote:
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Is there any difference between them?
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See what I mean, Raf? |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:52 pm
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On 2005-07-27, Raf <gomes.raf@gmail.com> wrote:
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Is there any difference between them?
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"Especial" is a Spanish word that translates into English as
"special." Spanish speakers learning English as a second language
often say "especial" because they can't pronounce "sp" without
a vowel in front of it.
De nada. |
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