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Jitze Couperus
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:10 am
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Apropos the recent discussions on types of bags, I thought I
would appeal to the assembled experts for the specific name
of a particular type of bag.
I refer you to the first image shown on
<http://pages.sbcglobal.net/couperusj/Bags/>
The one at the top of the page labeled "softsided but rigid"
I seem to remember many years ago when I toted one of these
around Threadneedle Street that it had a specific name (as opposed
to the generic "brief case") but for the life of me I can't remember
what it was. It was important at the time because all "professional"
staff working in the City for my employer at that time had to have
one of these (together with a bowler and correctly furled brolly)
to propagate the correct image when visiting clients (*not* customers
- they were picky about such words as well, and we had orders
never to refer to them that way)
Jitze
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:11 am
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:52:59 GMT, couperus-eschew-this@znet.com (Jitze
Couperus) wrote:
| Quote: | Apropos the recent discussions on types of bags, I thought I
would appeal to the assembled experts for the specific name
of a particular type of bag.
I refer you to the first image shown on
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/couperusj/Bags/
The one at the top of the page labeled "softsided but rigid"
I seem to remember many years ago when I toted one of these
around Threadneedle Street that it had a specific name (as opposed
to the generic "brief case") but for the life of me I can't remember
what it was. It was important at the time because all "professional"
staff working in the City for my employer at that time had to have
one of these (together with a bowler and correctly furled brolly)
to propagate the correct image when visiting clients (*not* customers
- they were picky about such words as well, and we had orders
never to refer to them that way)
I might call it a "satchel". When I see people carrying that style I |
always assume they are accountants. |
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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 4:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Other kinds of bags [was: Plastic bags] |
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Jitze Couperus wrote:
| Quote: | Apropos the recent discussions on types of bags, I thought I
would appeal to the assembled experts for the specific name
of a particular type of bag.
I refer you to the first image shown on
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/couperusj/Bags/
The one at the top of the page labeled "softsided but rigid"
I seem to remember many years ago when I toted one of these
around Threadneedle Street that it had a specific name (as opposed
to the generic "brief case") but for the life of me I can't remember
what it was. It was important at the time because all "professional"
staff working in the City for my employer at that time had to have
one of these (together with a bowler and correctly furled brolly)
to propagate the correct image when visiting clients (*not* customers
- they were picky about such words as well, and we had orders
never to refer to them that way)
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Always known as briefcases, in my experience, although I have never
owned one. During my City career I kept papers, lunch etc in what was
then known as a document case, a flat leather container with a zip
around it, except that mine had integral handles that slid out of sight.
During my academic career I have owned two of your third type of case
but both leather: the first one was bright yellow and the second striped
in green, blue and white. Unfortunately, they are beyond repair
(non-standard and rather weak hinges) and no longer obtainable.
These days your first image is fairly unusual, even in the City. Most
people carry black, soft cases, often with shoulder straps, laptop size.
During my academic career I have owned two of your third type of case
but both leather: the first one was bright yellow and the second striped
in green, blue and white.
I am still searching for the perfect bag. As well as my extensive
plastic and paper bag collection, I have a considerable number of more
substantial bags, none of which is *exactly* right.
--
Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
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Wood Avens
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 6:00 pm
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:52:59 GMT, couperus-eschew-this@znet.com (Jitze
Couperus) wrote:
| Quote: | I refer you to the first image shown on
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/couperusj/Bags/
The one at the top of the page labeled "softsided but rigid"
I seem to remember many years ago when I toted one of these
around Threadneedle Street that it had a specific name (as opposed
to the generic "brief case") but for the life of me I can't remember
what it was.
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I'd have called it simply a briefcase, too, but I see that a US
briefcase-selling site calls this specific type a brief bag. I've
never heard it called that here (UK).
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Katy Jennison
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Adrian Bailey
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 6:03 pm
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"Tony Cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:52:59 GMT, couperus-eschew-this@znet.com (Jitze
Couperus) wrote:
Apropos the recent discussions on types of bags, I thought I
would appeal to the assembled experts for the specific name
of a particular type of bag.
I refer you to the first image shown on
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/couperusj/Bags/
The one at the top of the page labeled "softsided but rigid"
I seem to remember many years ago when I toted one of these
around Threadneedle Street that it had a specific name (as opposed
to the generic "brief case") but for the life of me I can't remember
what it was. It was important at the time because all "professional"
staff working in the City for my employer at that time had to have
one of these (together with a bowler and correctly furled brolly)
to propagate the correct image when visiting clients (*not* customers
- they were picky about such words as well, and we had orders
never to refer to them that way)
I might call it a "satchel". When I see people carrying that style I
always assume they are accountants.
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Oh, no. The second one down is a form of satchel. Here's an even better
example (top left): http://tannersalleyleather.com/. The kind of bag
associated with junior school. Here's another:
http://www.bloomsbury.com/media/comic%20relief_300.jpg.
The one Jitze refers to, I've always known as a briefcase. (Ye gods!) I
spent five years carrying one round at grammar school.
Later, when I was at college, I used to carry what a good friend always
refers to as a "reticule", a flat A4 leather thing with a zip around the
top. Not sure what the correct word is. Document case?
Adrian |
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William R Ward
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 7:16 pm
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Wood Avens <woodavens@askjennison.com> writes:
| Quote: | On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:52:59 GMT, couperus-eschew-this@znet.com (Jitze
Couperus) wrote:
I refer you to the first image shown on
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/couperusj/Bags/
The one at the top of the page labeled "softsided but rigid"
I seem to remember many years ago when I toted one of these
around Threadneedle Street that it had a specific name (as opposed
to the generic "brief case") but for the life of me I can't remember
what it was.
I'd have called it simply a briefcase, too, but I see that a US
briefcase-selling site calls this specific type a brief bag. I've
never heard it called that here (UK).
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Me either (US). There is another type of briefcase, as shown on that
same page labeled "Brief Case." Perhaps the term "brief bag" was
coined in order to distinguish between the two types.
--Bill.
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Matti Lamprhey
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Other kinds of bags [was: Plastic bags] |
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"Jitze Couperus" <couperus-eschew-this@znet.com> wrote...
| Quote: | Apropos the recent discussions on types of bags, I thought I
would appeal to the assembled experts for the specific name
of a particular type of bag.
I refer you to the first image shown on
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/couperusj/Bags/
The one at the top of the page labeled "softsided but rigid"
I seem to remember many years ago when I toted one of these
around Threadneedle Street that it had a specific name (as opposed
to the generic "brief case") but for the life of me I can't remember
what it was. It was important at the time because all "professional"
staff working in the City for my employer at that time had to have
one of these (together with a bowler and correctly furled brolly)
to propagate the correct image when visiting clients (*not* customers
- they were picky about such words as well, and we had orders
never to refer to them that way)
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My primary school satchel was replaced by one of these when I started at
grammar school, and the specific type is on the tip of my tongue. Could
it be a "doctor's bag" perhaps?
Matti |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 10:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Other kinds of bags [was: Plastic bags] |
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:10:49 +0000, "Laura F. Spira"
<laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | I am still searching for the perfect bag. As well as my extensive
plastic and paper bag collection, I have a considerable number of more
substantial bags, none of which is *exactly* right.
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Yes! I am delighted to see that others have this problem. In the
days when I frequently traveled on business, I had as many as six
briefcases. Important stuff would be transferred from one case to
another depending on what was required for the trip. The slim types
were good for carrying just a few folders, but fatter cases were
required for longer trips with more stuff.
My "ideal" case would have been a thin one with addable sections to
increase the capacity to fit the needs of the trip. The routine stuff
could be in the basic case, and the frame-shaped addable sections just
put in to accommodate the carrying of ring binders.
I did have a thinnish case with an accordion pleat (?) that allowed
the case to "grow", but it didn't grow large enough. |
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Ray Heindl
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:48 am
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Wood Avens <woodavens@askjennison.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:52:59 GMT, couperus-eschew-this@znet.com
(Jitze Couperus) wrote:
I refer you to the first image shown on
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/couperusj/Bags/
The one at the top of the page labeled "softsided but rigid"
I seem to remember many years ago when I toted one of these
around Threadneedle Street that it had a specific name (as opposed
to the generic "brief case") but for the life of me I can't
remember what it was.
I'd have called it simply a briefcase, too, but I see that a US
briefcase-selling site calls this specific type a brief bag. I've
never heard it called that here (UK).
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I've never heard that term in the US either. The bag in question I
would call a brief case, but the term is also used to refer to attache
cases ("Brief Case, rigid" in the page cited), so I would need to
explain the difference if it mattered. Maybe "lawyer's brief case", to
distinguish it from an attache case -- "barrister's brief case"
Rightpondially, I suppose.
--
Ray Heindl
(remove the Xs to reply to: xvortren-news@yaxhoo.com) |
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Jitze Couperus
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:16 am
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:03:50 GMT, "Adrian Bailey" <dadge@hotmail.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | "Tony Cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:8rdht098hq2gqheh6qej2d0j8v4s4reutj@4ax.com...
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:52:59 GMT, couperus-eschew-this@znet.com (Jitze
Couperus) wrote:
Apropos the recent discussions on types of bags, I thought I
would appeal to the assembled experts for the specific name
of a particular type of bag.
I refer you to the first image shown on
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/couperusj/Bags/
The one at the top of the page labeled "softsided but rigid"
I seem to remember many years ago when I toted one of these
around Threadneedle Street that it had a specific name (as opposed
to the generic "brief case") but for the life of me I can't remember
what it was. It was important at the time because all "professional"
staff working in the City for my employer at that time had to have
one of these (together with a bowler and correctly furled brolly)
to propagate the correct image when visiting clients (*not* customers
- they were picky about such words as well, and we had orders
never to refer to them that way)
I might call it a "satchel". When I see people carrying that style I
always assume they are accountants.
Oh, no. The second one down is a form of satchel. Here's an even better
example (top left): http://tannersalleyleather.com/. The kind of bag
associated with junior school. Here's another:
http://www.bloomsbury.com/media/comic%20relief_300.jpg.
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That's my take on it as well - the ur-satchel in my mind is sort of
like the Harry Potter reference you cite above, but it had two
shoulder straps and was slung on the carrier's back much like
a ruck-sack - rather than a single longer strap worn over the
shoulder as in the first sample you cite above. The carry-it-on-
your-back type was the bookbag de rigueur when I attended
primary school.
An essential item carried in the English schoolboy's satchel
at that time was one of these:
<http://pages.sbcglobal.net/couperusj/Bags/box.jpg>
I recently saw this one in an antique shop in California and
none of the locals knew for sure what it was (some guessed
correctly) until I explained it to them. (For those unfamiliar
with this item, it is about 10 inches long, 1.5 inches high,
and is double-decked with the upper deck being able to
swing to one side when the sliding lid is pulled back)
This was going for $25 whereas the one I had long ago
cost I think half a crown or so - and was much prettier,
being varnished rather than plain unfinished wood.
| Quote: | The one Jitze refers to, I've always known as a briefcase. (Ye gods!) I
spent five years carrying one round at grammar school.
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That's the only name I can think of for it now, but I just know
it had a specific name which I can't seem to retrieve from my
memory banks.
Jitze |
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Jitze Couperus
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:47 am
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On 3 Jan 2005 20:48:57 GMT, Ray Heindl <me@privacy.net> wrote:
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I'd have called it simply a briefcase, too, but I see that a US
briefcase-selling site calls this specific type a brief bag. I've
never heard it called that here (UK).
I've never heard that term in the US either. The bag in question I
would call a brief case, but the term is also used to refer to attache
cases ("Brief Case, rigid" in the page cited), so I would need to
explain the difference if it mattered. Maybe "lawyer's brief case", to
distinguish it from an attache case -- "barrister's brief case"
Rightpondially, I suppose.
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Wow - In setting up that web page I never even thought of the
term "attache case" even though it is of course completely
familiar to me.
I associate "attache case" very specifically with the third picture
depicted on the page (a small suitcase) whereas I would never
use it to describe the one I was looking for (1st image)
So far, the term "briefcase" seems to be the best we can come
up with, but it still niggles me that somewhere in the recesses
of my cranium lurks a more specific term.
Jitze |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:57 am
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:16:49 GMT, couperus-eschew-this@znet.com (Jitze
Couperus) wrote:
| Quote: | http://pages.sbcglobal.net/couperusj/Bags/box.jpg
I recently saw this one in an antique shop in California and
none of the locals knew for sure what it was (some guessed
correctly) until I explained it to them. (For those unfamiliar
with this item, it is about 10 inches long, 1.5 inches high,
and is double-decked with the upper deck being able to
swing to one side when the sliding lid is pulled back)
This was going for $25 whereas the one I had long ago
cost I think half a crown or so - and was much prettier,
being varnished rather than plain unfinished wood.
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I assume it's what we now call a "pencil box". It would contain
pencils, pens, nibs, and such. The round hole looks like it might be
a place to stand a small ink bottle so it wouldn't slide around.
It also looks very similar to a "sick call set". That's usually a
wooden crucifix with a top that slides off. The hollow interior would
contain a vial of holy water or annointing oil and a candle. I doubt
if English schoolboys carried them, though. |
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Jitze Couperus
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:09 am
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:57:01 GMT, Tony Cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
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I assume it's what we now call a "pencil box". It would contain
pencils, pens, nibs, and such. The round hole looks like it might be
a place to stand a small ink bottle so it wouldn't slide around.
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Correct - a pencil box. But the round hole was not to a place
to put the ink bottle - we used porcelain ink wells located in
a hole a the right front corner of the desk - which was very
discriminatory for left handers and resulted in lots of blodges
(a technical term) which had to be taken care of with blotting
paper.
The round hole was to hold a rubber. (No - not *that* kind
thing yu fule. What Yanks would call an eraser.)
| Quote: | It also looks very similar to a "sick call set". That's usually a
wooden crucifix with a top that slides off. The hollow interior would
contain a vial of holy water or annointing oil and a candle. I doubt
if English schoolboys carried them, though.
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Never heard/seen one of those - I think you probably have to have been
raised as a member of the correct flock to lnow about those.
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:19 am
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 23:09:51 GMT, couperus-eschew-this@znet.com (Jitze
Couperus) wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:57:01 GMT, Tony Cooper
tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
I assume it's what we now call a "pencil box". It would contain
pencils, pens, nibs, and such. The round hole looks like it might be
a place to stand a small ink bottle so it wouldn't slide around.
Correct - a pencil box. But the round hole was not to a place
to put the ink bottle - we used porcelain ink wells located in
a hole a the right front corner of the desk - which was very
discriminatory for left handers and resulted in lots of blodges
(a technical term) which had to be taken care of with blotting
paper.
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Our desks were fitted with similar ink wells, and also at the top
right. This left hander did some serious dribbling of ink betwixt
well and paper. Steel nibs splattered if you tried to make those "O"
with hand-above-writing line.
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We were not as advanced as the English. Blotting was done with the |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:48 am
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Jitze Couperus wrote:
| Quote: | Apropos the recent discussions on types of bags, I thought I
would appeal to the assembled experts for the specific name
of a particular type of bag.
I refer you to the first image shown on
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/couperusj/Bags/
The one at the top of the page labeled "softsided but rigid"
I seem to remember many years ago when I toted one of these
around Threadneedle Street that it had a specific name (as opposed
to the generic "brief case") but for the life of me I can't remember
what it was. It was important at the time because all "professional"
staff working in the City for my employer at that time had to have
one of these (together with a bowler and correctly furled brolly)
to propagate the correct image when visiting clients (*not* customers
- they were picky about such words as well, and we had orders
never to refer to them that way)
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I noted something that might be of interest to those discerning differences
word-wise. The bottom two items have the word "duffle" attached to them.
Yes, there is something like a "duffle coat", but what is depicted are a
couple of "duffel bags".
--
Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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