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Mirandolle
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 10:07 pm
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The name of "Jane AUSTEN" ?
[aust-een] like "gr-een" ? [aust-en] like "spok-en" ? or....
Thank you ! |
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Areff
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 10:07 pm
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Donna Richoux wrote:
| Quote: | Mirandolle <mirandol@nomail.com> wrote:
The name of "Jane AUSTEN" ?
[aust-een] like "gr-een" ? [aust-en] like "spok-en" ? or....
Like "spoken."
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Rhymes with "Boston" for *some* of us (all AmE/CanE speakers, I'd think).
| Quote: | I find it hard to imagine that any English word ending in
"-en" has the sound "een" except for those ending in "-een."
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There's also some that end in -ien.
| Quote: | Soften, harden, listen, swollen, brethren, often, women, ripen -- it's a
very common sound.
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Now how is "Leonard Bernstein" pronounced? |
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Areff
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 10:07 pm
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Skitt wrote:
| Quote: | Charles Riggs wrote:
"Mirandolle" wrote:
The name of "Jane AUSTEN" ?
[aust-een] like "gr-een" ? [aust-en] like "spok-en" ? or....
The second name of the author, should anyone want to waste their time
reading her novels or not, rhymes with tin.
For me it rhymes more with "ten". You're not one of those "pin = pen"
people, are you?
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For me it's a schwa: /Ost@n/, as is "Austin" (Texas), rhyming with
"Boston". Based on the spelling, I'd say the second syllable like "ten"
if I had to emphasize it (whereas with "Austin" I'd say it like "tin"). |
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Areff
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 10:56 pm
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Bob Cunningham wrote:
| Quote: | Jane Austen's pronunciation of her last name was probably
like a nonrhotic "Orsten" (['O:stIn]).
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Perhaps, though I'd think it must have been different from even as
traditionalist a BrE pronunciation as Ron's. She lived before Ron was
bairn (as they say in Cumbria) I think -- so there was no RP ("Ron's
Pronunciation") back then. |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 12:11 am
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Mirandolle <mirandol@nomail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | The name of "Jane AUSTEN" ?
[aust-een] like "gr-een" ? [aust-en] like "spok-en" ? or....
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Like "spoken." I find it hard to imagine that any English word ending in
"-en" has the sound "een" except for those ending in "-een."
Soften, harden, listen, swollen, brethren, often, women, ripen -- it's a
very common sound.
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Best -- Donna Richoux |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 12:35 am
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On Mon, 30 May 2005 18:07:41 +0200, "Mirandolle" <mirandol@nomail.com>
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| Quote: | The name of "Jane AUSTEN" ?
[aust-een] like "gr-een" ? [aust-en] like "spok-en" ? or....
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The second name of the author, should anyone want to waste their time
reading her novels or not, rhymes with tin.
No problem!
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Charles Riggs |
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Paul Wolff
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 12:36 am
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In message <1gxe561.h2g3hg1kwe0pyN%trio@euronet.nl>, Donna Richoux
<trio@euronet.nl> writes
| Quote: | Mirandolle <mirandol@nomail.com> wrote:
The name of "Jane AUSTEN" ?
[aust-een] like "gr-een" ? [aust-en] like "spok-en" ? or....
Like "spoken." I find it hard to imagine that any English word ending in
"-en" has the sound "een" except for those ending in "-een."
Soften, harden, listen, swollen, brethren, often, women, ripen -- it's a
very common sound.
"Women" doesn't fit with the others, for me. "Wimmin" seems apt for |
that word.
Right or wrong, I mentally pronounce Austen as Austin, as in Austria and
Australia. In other words, Oss-tin, but that's because I can't be
bothered to care much about it, the lady in question having passed on
years ago, and me never mentioning ladies' names in a mess anyway.
--
Paul
In bocca al Lupo! |
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Andrew Gwilliam
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 12:46 am
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On Mon, 30 May 2005 20:11:36 +0200, Donna Richoux wrote:
| Quote: | Mirandolle <mirandol@nomail.com> wrote:
The name of "Jane AUSTEN" ?
[aust-een] like "gr-een" ? [aust-en] like "spok-en" ? or....
Like "spoken." I find it hard to imagine that any English word ending in
"-en" has the sound "een" except for those ending in "-een."
Soften, harden, listen, swollen, brethren, often, women, ripen -- it's a
very common sound.
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I don't know if this is a pondiality, but I pronounce "Austen" the same as
"Austin", with that second syllable as [In].
--
Andrew Gwilliam
To email me, replace "bottomless_pit" with "silverhelm" |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 12:47 am
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Charles Riggs wrote:
| Quote: | "Mirandolle" wrote:
The name of "Jane AUSTEN" ?
[aust-een] like "gr-een" ? [aust-en] like "spok-en" ? or....
The second name of the author, should anyone want to waste their time
reading her novels or not, rhymes with tin.
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For me it rhymes more with "ten". You're not one of those "pin = pen"
people, are you?
--
Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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Bob Cunningham
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 1:01 am
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On Mon, 30 May 2005 18:07:41 +0200, "Mirandolle"
<mirandol@nomail.com> said:
| Quote: | The name of "Jane AUSTEN" ?
[aust-een] like "gr-een" ? [aust-en] like "spok-en" ? or....
Thank you !
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It's the usual practice to discourage alt.usage.english
posters from inquiring about things that can be looked up
easily in a dictionary.
A lot of dictionaries don't list names of people in the main
lexicon, but some do. One that lists "Austen" is at
http://www.infoplease.com/dictionary/
The link http://www.onelook.com searches many dictionaries
for a word you enter. On "Austen", it gives four links, one
of which is the Infoplease dictionary cited above.
Another dictionary that includes biographical names is _The
American HeritageŽ Dictionary of the English Language:
Fourth Edition_, which you can reach on the Web at
http://www.bartleby.com/61/ .
Anyway, the "e" in "Austen" is pronounced like the "e" in
"button" or the "a" in "alone", but don't tell anybody I
told you.. |
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Don Phillipson
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 1:57 am
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"Mirandolle" <mirandol@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:429b3a89$0$1253$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
| Quote: | The name of "Jane AUSTEN" ?
[aust-een] like "gr-een" ? [aust-en] like "spok-en" ? or....
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More probably osstin, the second syllable a schwa
(or very nearly.) Pronunciation of the first syllable may
vary more, because Texas has a city named Austin,
and Texans may sound the first syllable AWSS +tin
whereas people in England (where Austen lived)
wold say OSS + tin.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada) |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 2:41 am
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Areff wrote:
| Quote: | Skitt wrote:
Charles Riggs wrote:
"Mirandolle" wrote:
The name of "Jane AUSTEN" ?
[aust-een] like "gr-een" ? [aust-en] like "spok-en" ? or....
The second name of the author, should anyone want to waste their
time reading her novels or not, rhymes with tin.
For me it rhymes more with "ten". You're not one of those "pin =
pen" people, are you?
For me it's a schwa: /Ost@n/, as is "Austin" (Texas), rhyming with
"Boston". Based on the spelling, I'd say the second syllable like
"ten" if I had to emphasize it (whereas with "Austin" I'd say it like
"tin").
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I make a slight difference even when not emphasizing the pronunciation, but
that's just me and my public speaking class training. The difference might
be unnoticeable to the very casual ear.
--
Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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Matti Lamprhey
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 2:48 am
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"Mirandolle" <mirandol@nomail.com> wrote...
| Quote: | The name of "Jane AUSTEN" ?
[aust-een] like "gr-een" ? [aust-en] like "spok-en" ? or....
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British folk like me from the neighbourhood of Steventon and Chawton
pronounce it Osst'n.
Not Awsten or Awstin or Ossten or Osstin.
You're welcome!!
Matti |
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Mirandolle
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 2:53 am
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| Quote: | It's the usual practice to discourage alt.usage.english
posters from inquiring about things that can be looked up
easily in a dictionary.
A lot of dictionaries don't list names of people in the main
lexicon, but some do. One that lists "Austen" is at
http://www.infoplease.com/dictionary/
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I don't know why, I was believing names of people follow some phonetic rules
and are not included in dictionaries... Next time I will be able to check
myself!
| Quote: | Anyway, the "e" in "Austen" is pronounced like the "e" in
"button" or the "a" in "alone", but don't tell anybody I
told you..
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I promise I won't !
Well, thanks all for the kind help!
PS: If you are from UK you should know that I am one of those French dumb
folks that's done his best to make the European Constitution be rejected...
British people, don't thank me, don't thank me...  |
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Bob Cunningham
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 3:03 am
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On Mon, 30 May 2005 15:57:34 -0400, "Don Phillipson"
<d.phillipson@ttrryytteell.com> said:
| Quote: | "Mirandolle" <mirandol@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:429b3a89$0$1253$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
The name of "Jane AUSTEN" ?
[aust-een] like "gr-een" ? [aust-en] like "spok-en" ? or....
More probably osstin, the second syllable a schwa
(or very nearly.) Pronunciation of the first syllable may
vary more, because Texas has a city named Austin,
and Texans may sound the first syllable AWSS +tin
whereas people in England (where Austen lived)
wold say OSS + tin.
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And many -- if not most -- people in the Western United
States would pronounce "AWSS", "OSS", and "AHSS"
identically.
As always, the use of ad hoc analogies to indicate
pronunciation is a hopelessly futile exercise.
I can only guess what sounds Don Phillipson means to convey
by "AWSS" and "OSS", but my guess, which I wouldn't bet any
of my own money on, would be that he most likely means -- in
ASCII IPA -- [Os] and [A.s].
For what it's worth, my Western United States pronunciation
of "Austen" is ['A:st@n]., not ['A.st@n] or ['Ost@n], (where
[A:] is the low, back, unrounded vowel that many people have
in "father")..
I don't have the low, back, rounded vowel [A.] in my speech
at all, and my mid-low, back, rounded vowel [O] is limited
to syllables with an "r" in them, as in "for", "four",
"award", and "sure". (My "sure" and "shore" are homonyms.)
Jane Austen's pronunciation of her last name was probably
like a nonrhotic "Orsten" (['O:stIn]). |
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