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kyle
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 9:05 pm
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If something is said as "its edges are blurred and the full scope of its
core principles is difficult to define"
what and where has this "edges are blurred" idea come from? If
somethings edges are blurred, does that mean that the limits (or
greatest possible degree of something) is vague or confusing? I can't
visualise this "edges are blurred" (i'm a visual person) there seems to
be a lot of these, are they called phrasal verbs?, that throw me off
when reading.. Why couldn't they use "its limits are confusing" rather
than "edges are blurred"? |
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Areff
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 9:05 pm
Post subject: Re: what does "edges are blurred" mean? |
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kyle wrote:
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Tony Cooper wrote:
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It just means that the main thrust of the idea is understandable, but
we don't know where the specific boundaries of the concept are.
This is not a very good example, but consider a company policy that
says "We discourage eating in the workplace." Does that mean that you
are not allowed to eat food at your desk or eat food anywhere in the
building? Does that mean that you are forbidden to eat food at the
workplace, or that they merely suggest that you don't?
The statement "Employees are not allowed to eat food at their desks or
in the office areas. Any food consumed during office hours must be
eaten in the break room or at the outside facilities." eliminates the
blurring.
Sensational! Thank you so much for taking the time to explain this so
clearly. Thank you so much, you have just made the rest of the document
I am reading so MUCH easier. Thank you again, I really appreciate this.
Thank you!
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I too would like to thank you, Coop! And I think Kyle and I speak for many
others. |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 10:13 pm
Post subject: Re: what does "edges are blurred" mean? |
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On Sat, 07 May 2005 01:05:02 +1000, kyle <kylie@frosted.icing.com>
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| Quote: | If something is said as "its edges are blurred and the full scope of its
core principles is difficult to define"
what and where has this "edges are blurred" idea come from? If
somethings edges are blurred, does that mean that the limits (or
greatest possible degree of something) is vague or confusing? I can't
visualise this "edges are blurred" (i'm a visual person) there seems to
be a lot of these, are they called phrasal verbs?, that throw me off
when reading.. Why couldn't they use "its limits are confusing" rather
than "edges are blurred"?
It just means that the main thrust of the idea is understandable, but |
we don't know where the specific boundaries of the concept are.
This is not a very good example, but consider a company policy that
says "We discourage eating in the workplace." Does that mean that you
are not allowed to eat food at your desk or eat food anywhere in the
building? Does that mean that you are forbidden to eat food at the
workplace, or that they merely suggest that you don't?
The statement "Employees are not allowed to eat food at their desks or
in the office areas. Any food consumed during office hours must be
eaten in the break room or at the outside facilities." eliminates the
blurring.
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Tony Cooper
Orlando FL |
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kyle
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 10:22 pm
Post subject: Re: what does "edges are blurred" mean? |
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Tony Cooper wrote:
<snip>
| Quote: | It just means that the main thrust of the idea is understandable, but
we don't know where the specific boundaries of the concept are.
This is not a very good example, but consider a company policy that
says "We discourage eating in the workplace." Does that mean that you
are not allowed to eat food at your desk or eat food anywhere in the
building? Does that mean that you are forbidden to eat food at the
workplace, or that they merely suggest that you don't?
The statement "Employees are not allowed to eat food at their desks or
in the office areas. Any food consumed during office hours must be
eaten in the break room or at the outside facilities." eliminates the
blurring.
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Sensational! Thank you so much for taking the time to explain this so
clearly. Thank you so much, you have just made the rest of the document
I am reading so MUCH easier. Thank you again, I really appreciate this.
Thank you! |
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Raymond S. Wise
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 10:38 pm
Post subject: Re: what does "edges are blurred" mean? |
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kyle wrote:
| Quote: | If something is said as "its edges are blurred and the full scope of
its
core principles is difficult to define"
what and where has this "edges are blurred" idea come from? If
somethings edges are blurred, does that mean that the limits (or
greatest possible degree of something) is vague or confusing? I can't
visualise this "edges are blurred" (i'm a visual person) there seems
to
be a lot of these, are they called phrasal verbs?, that throw me off
when reading.. Why couldn't they use "its limits are confusing"
rather
than "edges are blurred"?
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This is the sort of question to which there is no useful answer other
than "That's just the way it is." They *could* have said "its limits
are confusing," but they didn't. Asking why they don't is a bit like
asking why Americans say "gasoline" instead of "petrol."
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Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com |
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Harvey Van Sickle
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 10:55 pm
Post subject: Re: what does "edges are blurred" mean? |
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On 06 May 2005, kyle wrote
| Quote: | If something is said as "its edges are blurred and the full scope
of its core principles is difficult to define"
what and where has this "edges are blurred" idea come from? If
somethings edges are blurred, does that mean that the limits (or
greatest possible degree of something) is vague or confusing? I
can't visualise this "edges are blurred" (i'm a visual person)
there seems to be a lot of these, are they called phrasal verbs?,
that throw me off when reading.. Why couldn't they use "its limits
are confusing" rather than "edges are blurred"?
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"Edges are blurred" is such a common visual image -- from line drawings
through graphic design and photography -- that I'm quite surprised that
you can't visualise the effect but consider yourself to be a "visual
person".
I'm not a particularly visual person, but I have no difficulty
thinking of images which have blurred edges.
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Cheers, Harvey
Canada for 30 years; S England since 1982.
(for e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van) |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 3:18 am
Post subject: Re: what does "edges are blurred" mean? |
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Areff wrote:
| Quote: | kyle wrote:
Tony Cooper wrote:
It just means that the main thrust of the idea is understandable,
but we don't know where the specific boundaries of the concept are.
This is not a very good example, but consider a company policy that
says "We discourage eating in the workplace." Does that mean that
you are not allowed to eat food at your desk or eat food anywhere
in the building? Does that mean that you are forbidden to eat food
at the workplace, or that they merely suggest that you don't?
The statement "Employees are not allowed to eat food at their desks
or in the office areas. Any food consumed during office hours must
be eaten in the break room or at the outside facilities."
eliminates the blurring.
Sensational! Thank you so much for taking the time to explain this so
clearly. Thank you so much, you have just made the rest of the
document I am reading so MUCH easier. Thank you again, I really
appreciate this. Thank you!
I too would like to thank you, Coop! And I think Kyle and I speak for
many others.
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Yeah, but now I'm hungry.
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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Robert Lieblich
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 4:50 am
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Skitt wrote:
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Areff wrote:
kyle wrote:
Tony Cooper wrote:
It just means that the main thrust of the idea is understandable,
but we don't know where the specific boundaries of the concept are.
This is not a very good example, but consider a company policy that
says "We discourage eating in the workplace." Does that mean that
you are not allowed to eat food at your desk or eat food anywhere
in the building? Does that mean that you are forbidden to eat food
at the workplace, or that they merely suggest that you don't?
The statement "Employees are not allowed to eat food at their desks
or in the office areas. Any food consumed during office hours must
be eaten in the break room or at the outside facilities."
eliminates the blurring.
Sensational! Thank you so much for taking the time to explain this so
clearly. Thank you so much, you have just made the rest of the
document I am reading so MUCH easier. Thank you again, I really
appreciate this. Thank you!
I too would like to thank you, Coop! And I think Kyle and I speak for
many others.
Yeah, but now I'm hungry.
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You think you got problems? My edges are blurred now.
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Liebs |
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Areff
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 5:28 am
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kyle wrote:
| Quote: | I could not make the connection Tony Cooper was able to
make.. I guess I just have to accept I lack fluid reasoning skills..
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Wow. Talk about a two-sentence sequence that no one would have predicted.
Or is Kyle British? |
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kyle
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 7:13 am
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Areff wrote:
| Quote: | kyle wrote:
I could not make the connection Tony Cooper was able to
make.. I guess I just have to accept I lack fluid reasoning skills..
Wow. Talk about a two-sentence sequence that no one would have predicted.
Or is Kyle British?
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No, Kyle is just an honest person. This society tells us that we are all
capable and all have the ability to achieve whatever it is we want..
unless we are mentally retarded of course.. So people go out armed with
this confidence and idea that they can study medicine and then wonder
why they struggle.. some of us just have to accept we do NOT have what
is required to make us professors or surgeons and we should stop trying
to set goals we will never be able to achieve..
I can't find a single course in improving ones 'fluid reasoning
skills'.. there are certainly no pills to take to improve this..
I wasn't given the bits of the brain required to understand "edges are
blurred"!
Thank god for this newsgroup! |
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kyle
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 7:13 am
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There we go, I was right:
"Disabilities in abstract reasoning, organization, and problem solving;
Average or better in the basic cognitive skills of visual and auditory
processing, memory, associative learning, etc., but who are disabled in
their ability to use this information to form new concepts, solve
problems, etc. They are deficient in what is often described as higher
order intelligence or fluid reasoning.
Symptoms: Difficulty solving unique problems, understanding the
relationships between things (e.g., trouble with analogies)."
I think this explains why I was not able to understand "edges are
blurred".. I could not make the connection Tony Cooper was able to
make.. I guess I just have to accept I lack fluid reasoning skills..
I'll just have to keep asking the lovely people of this newsgroup for
definitions to simple concepts/phrases, etc.:)
Harvey Van Sickle wrote:
| Quote: | On 06 May 2005, kyle wrote
If something is said as "its edges are blurred and the full scope
of its core principles is difficult to define"
what and where has this "edges are blurred" idea come from? If
somethings edges are blurred, does that mean that the limits (or
greatest possible degree of something) is vague or confusing? I
can't visualise this "edges are blurred" (i'm a visual person)
there seems to be a lot of these, are they called phrasal verbs?,
that throw me off when reading.. Why couldn't they use "its limits
are confusing" rather than "edges are blurred"?
"Edges are blurred" is such a common visual image -- from line drawings
through graphic design and photography -- that I'm quite surprised that
you can't visualise the effect but consider yourself to be a "visual
person".
I'm not a particularly visual person, but I have no difficulty
thinking of images which have blurred edges.
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kyle
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 7:13 am
Post subject: Re: what does "edges are blurred" mean? |
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Harvey Van Sickle wrote:
| Quote: | On 06 May 2005, kyle wrote
If something is said as "its edges are blurred and the full scope
of its core principles is difficult to define"
what and where has this "edges are blurred" idea come from? If
somethings edges are blurred, does that mean that the limits (or
greatest possible degree of something) is vague or confusing? I
can't visualise this "edges are blurred" (i'm a visual person)
there seems to be a lot of these, are they called phrasal verbs?,
that throw me off when reading.. Why couldn't they use "its limits
are confusing" rather than "edges are blurred"?
"Edges are blurred" is such a common visual image -- from line drawings
through graphic design and photography -- that I'm quite surprised that
you can't visualise the effect but consider yourself to be a "visual
person".
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Good point. When I try to visualise 'blurred edges', I see, literally,
blurry edges of a square.. I cannot think in the abstract and see things
literally..
I'm beginning to wonder whether I suffer from a disability in abstract
reasoning..
| Quote: | I'm not a particularly visual person, but I have no difficulty
thinking of images which have blurred edges.
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I can't make the connection.. and now I think I suffer from a
disability of written expression.. the words are there but they don't
come to me that easily.. like having permanent writers block! |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 7:18 pm
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On Sat, 07 May 2005 14:46:01 +1000, kyle <kylie@frosted.icing.com>
wrote:
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Areff wrote:
kyle wrote:
I could not make the connection Tony Cooper was able to
make.. I guess I just have to accept I lack fluid reasoning skills..
Wow. Talk about a two-sentence sequence that no one would have predicted.
Or is Kyle British?
No, Kyle is just an honest person. This society tells us that we are all
capable and all have the ability to achieve whatever it is we want..
unless we are mentally retarded of course.. So people go out armed with
this confidence and idea that they can study medicine and then wonder
why they struggle.. some of us just have to accept we do NOT have what
is required to make us professors or surgeons and we should stop trying
to set goals we will never be able to achieve..
I can't find a single course in improving ones 'fluid reasoning
skills'.. there are certainly no pills to take to improve this..
I wasn't given the bits of the brain required to understand "edges are
blurred"!
Thank god for this newsgroup!
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Kyle, you have been taken in by an "in" joke. Areff is not a fan of
my ability to reason. Arefff's comments have more to do with the
association of "fluid reasoning" and Tony Cooper than they do with
your construction.
Areff is simply jealous of my ability to actually explain something in
a manner that can be understood. He is basically incapable of this
because he cannot restrict any explanation to the actual matter at
hand. He can't describe the shape of a cannon ball without making a
reference to Brooklyn, what does or does not constitute a sandwich,
Standard AmE as spoken by the seventeen people he's actually had a
face-to-face conversation with, the geographical location of Nebraska
and its proximity to the Northwest Territory, Hiberno-Whatever, and
the inclusion of a series of letters that mean something to him but
not to anyone else.
Out of kindness to you, I have omitted Areff's penchant for relating
all answers to the Tet Offensive, Fonzie, Kojak, and jumping the
shark. Even with my ability to apply fluid reasoning, I can't make
that clear. It is an area of unresolvable blurring.
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Tony Cooper
Orlando FL |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 11:26 pm
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Robert Lieblich wrote:
| Quote: | Skitt wrote:
Areff wrote:
kyle wrote:
Tony Cooper wrote:
It just means that the main thrust of the idea is understandable,
but we don't know where the specific boundaries of the concept
are.
This is not a very good example, but consider a company policy
that says "We discourage eating in the workplace." Does that
mean that you are not allowed to eat food at your desk or eat
food anywhere in the building? Does that mean that you are
forbidden to eat food at the workplace, or that they merely
suggest that you don't?
The statement "Employees are not allowed to eat food at their
desks or in the office areas. Any food consumed during office
hours must be eaten in the break room or at the outside
facilities." eliminates the blurring.
Sensational! Thank you so much for taking the time to explain this
so clearly. Thank you so much, you have just made the rest of the
document I am reading so MUCH easier. Thank you again, I really
appreciate this. Thank you!
I too would like to thank you, Coop! And I think Kyle and I speak
for many others.
Yeah, but now I'm hungry.
You think you got problems? My edges are blurred now.
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Wow! Be careful that you don't start fading away ...
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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Robert Lieblich
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 11:31 pm
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Skitt wrote:
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Robert Lieblich wrote:
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| Quote: | You think you got problems? My edges are blurred now.
Wow! Be careful that you don't start fading away ...
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Old Navy lawyers never die ...
(Come to think of it, I guess Old Navy does have some lawyers.)
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Liebs |
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