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Father Ignatius
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 5:37 pm Post subject: Totty vs. minge

I had always understood "totty" to be a simile for "minge", i.e. not gender neutral, cf. lavatories in "Men Behaving Badly" being marked "Blokes" and "Totty". I discover in the current edition of Chambers, however, under tot[1], that "totty" or "tottie" means "sexually attractive young people generally". Do we have Views?

Ross Howard
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: Totty vs. minge

On Sat, 14 May 2005 13:37:19 +0200, "Father Ignatius"
<FatherIgnatius@ANTISPAMananzi.co.za> wrought:

Quote:

I had always understood "totty" to be a simile for "minge", i.e. not
gender neutral, cf. lavatories in "Men Behaving Badly" being marked
"Blokes" and "Totty".

I discover in the current edition of Chambers, however, under tot[1],
that "totty" or "tottie" means "sexually attractive young people
generally".

Do we have Views?

"Totty" seems to be an equivalent to the AmE "pussy" and when preceded
by "some" indeed it is. Unlike "pussy", though, it's not a count noun,
so "shaven totties" sounds Dead Wrong.

Now, about "a bit of gash". . . .

--
Ross Howard

Adrian Bailey
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: Totty vs. minge

"Father Ignatius" <FatherIgnatius@ANTISPAMananzi.co.za> wrote in message
news:fuadnbez1dCIfhjfRVn-qQ@is.co.za...

Quote:

I had always understood "totty" to be a simile

Quote:

for "minge", i.e. not
gender neutral, cf. lavatories in "Men Behaving Badly" being marked
"Blokes" and "Totty".

I discover in the current edition of Chambers, however, under tot[1],
that "totty" or "tottie" means "sexually attractive young people
generally".

Do we have Views?

I'd say "totty" refers to females, but I guess that if I were a woman I
might use it, by analogy, to refer to males. Like the way a woman might say
"He's a babe," "He's a tart," etc. The entry in Chambers is misleading,
though, I agree.

Adrian

Django Cat
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: Totty vs. minge

On Sat, 14 May 2005 13:37:19 +0200, "Father Ignatius"
<FatherIgnatius@ANTISPAMananzi.co.za> wrote:

Quote:

Building company in Manchester, innit? Much hilarity due to their big
signs around the place. I ran into an attractive female colleague
last week who was standing under one of them and said it was an apt
description. Gosh, did she laugh.

http://www.totty-construction.co.uk/

DC

Mike Lyle
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: Totty vs. minge

Django Cat wrote:

Quote:

On Sat, 14 May 2005 13:37:19 +0200, "Father Ignatius"
FatherIgnatius@ANTISPAMananzi.co.za> wrote:

I had always understood "totty" to be a simile for "minge", i.e.
not
gender neutral, cf. lavatories in "Men Behaving Badly" being
marked
"Blokes" and "Totty".

I discover in the current edition of Chambers, however, under
tot[1],
that "totty" or "tottie" means "sexually attractive young people
generally".

Do we have Views?

Building company in Manchester, innit? Much hilarity due to their
big
signs around the place. I ran into an attractive female colleague
last week who was standing under one of them and said it was an apt
description. Gosh, did she laugh.

http://www.totty-construction.co.uk/

But let's have a big "WHOA!" for Ignatius. "Minge" is several shades
more obnoxious than "cunt", of which it is otherwise a synonym.

I don't know how matters now stand, but I think it is, or used to be,
only a BrE word: AusE has or used to have "mingy" rhyming with
"stingy"*, which is what it means, and I don't think that could
easily have survived alongside the obscene use.

*rhyming with "dingy", not "dinghy".

--
Mike.

Frances Kemmish
Guest

Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 12:00 am Post subject: Re: Totty vs. minge

Mike Lyle wrote:

Quote:

I know that "mingy", but I never heard of "minge" - is it a recent
word, or was I just too gently reared to have heard it?

Mike Barnes
Guest

Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 12:12 am Post subject: Re: Totty vs. minge

In alt.usage.english, Django Cat wrote:

Quote:

Actually based in Bradford. No, not the Bradford in Manchester, the one
in Yorkshire.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

Mike Lyle
Guest

Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 12:53 am Post subject: Re: Totty vs. minge

Frances Kemmish wrote:

Quote:

Mike Lyle wrote:

But let's have a big "WHOA!" for Ignatius. "Minge" is several
shades
more obnoxious than "cunt", of which it is otherwise a synonym.

I don't know how matters now stand, but I think it is, or used to
be,
only a BrE word: AusE has or used to have "mingy" rhyming with
"stingy"*, which is what it means, and I don't think that could
easily have survived alongside the obscene use.

*rhyming with "dingy", not "dinghy".

I know that "mingy", but I never heard of "minge" - is it a recent
word, or was I just too gently reared to have heard it?

The latter, Fran! It may be quite rare, too.

--
Mike.

Django Cat
Guest

Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 1:05 am Post subject: Re: Totty vs. minge

On Sat, 14 May 2005 18:38:34 +0100, "Mike Lyle"
<mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Quote:

Django Cat wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2005 13:37:19 +0200, "Father Ignatius"
FatherIgnatius@ANTISPAMananzi.co.za> wrote:

I had always understood "totty" to be a simile for "minge", i.e.
not
gender neutral, cf. lavatories in "Men Behaving Badly" being
marked
"Blokes" and "Totty".

I discover in the current edition of Chambers, however, under
tot[1],
that "totty" or "tottie" means "sexually attractive young people
generally".

Do we have Views?

Building company in Manchester, innit? Much hilarity due to their
big
signs around the place. I ran into an attractive female colleague
last week who was standing under one of them and said it was an apt
description. Gosh, did she laugh.

http://www.totty-construction.co.uk/

But let's have a big "WHOA!" for Ignatius. "Minge" is several shades
more obnoxious than "cunt", of which it is otherwise a synonym.

I don't know how matters now stand, but I think it is, or used to be,
only a BrE word: AusE has or used to have "mingy" rhyming with
"stingy"*, which is what it means, and I don't think that could
easily have survived alongside the obscene use.

*rhyming with "dingy", not "dinghy".

Hang on here though; I've only heard Totty in the last ten or so years
(I think I encountered it in Viz). I had no idea of a pudenda
connection - AFAIK totty is synonomous with a 'nice bit of stuff'. I
certainly wouldn't have used it to Attractive Female Colleague (who
just laughed) otherwise, without expecting a (justified) smack in the
mouth.

Nice to see the builder's web site includes options to 'contact Totty'
and 'the Totty Difference'. Founded 1864 by William Totty it seems...

DC

Mike Lyle
Guest

Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 1:11 am Post subject: Re: Totty vs. minge

Django Cat wrote:

Quote:

On Sat, 14 May 2005 18:38:34 +0100, "Mike Lyle"
mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Django Cat wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2005 13:37:19 +0200, "Father Ignatius"
FatherIgnatius@ANTISPAMananzi.co.za> wrote:

I had always understood "totty" to be a simile for "minge", i.e.
not gender neutral, cf. lavatories in "Men Behaving Badly" being
marked "Blokes" and "Totty".

I discover in the current edition of Chambers, however, under
tot[1], that "totty" or "tottie" means "sexually attractive
young
people generally".

Do we have Views?

Building company in Manchester, innit? Much hilarity due to
their
big signs around the place. I ran into an attractive female
colleague last week who was standing under one of them and said
it
was an apt description. Gosh, did she laugh.

http://www.totty-construction.co.uk/

But let's have a big "WHOA!" for Ignatius. "Minge" is several
shades
more obnoxious than "cunt", of which it is otherwise a synonym.

I don't know how matters now stand, but I think it is, or used to
be,
only a BrE word: AusE has or used to have "mingy" rhyming with
"stingy"*, which is what it means, and I don't think that could
easily have survived alongside the obscene use.

*rhyming with "dingy", not "dinghy".

Hang on here though; I've only heard Totty in the last ten or so
years
(I think I encountered it in Viz). I had no idea of a pudenda
connection - AFAIK totty is synonomous with a 'nice bit of stuff'.
I
certainly wouldn't have used it to Attractive Female Colleague (who
just laughed) otherwise, without expecting a (justified) smack in
the
mouth.
[...]

"Totty/ie" was around in the sixties, equivalent to "bird", "chick".
No pudendosity in my hearing. Quote from student actor seeking the
make-up expert: "Where's the good-news tottie with the nine and
five?"

Partridge Historical says it meant "high-class whore" in the late
19C, though.

--
Mike.

Donna Richoux
Guest

Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 1:35 am Post subject: Re: Totty vs. minge

Mike Lyle <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Quote:

I've heard it a few times on BBC TV and sometimes I've wondered if it
was "tart/tarty" which has that same meaning. But you're able to hear a
clear difference between tot and (non-rhotic) tart, right? Isn't "tart"
UK slang as well?

TV host Jonathan Ross used "tottie" in talking to Halle Berry and tried
to explain it. It wasn't clear from his explanation (you could see the
confusion on her face, though she tried gamely to follow) whether it
meant "trashy" or just "pretty."

(He says some things that really unnerve US guests. He tried to get
Pamela Anderson to talk about the role that men's fantasies about her
breasts have played in her career, and she was nearly speechless and
really uncomfortable. It was clear to me that it was not a subject she
could light-heartedly quip about.)

--
Best -- Donna Richoux

Frances Kemmish
Guest

Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 2:26 am Post subject: Re: Totty vs. minge

Donna Richoux wrote:

Quote:

I can remember my husband commenting on some "Brummy totty" he'd seen on
the bus, the image she was projecting totally ruined when she opened her
mouth. That was when we were students in the late sixties. He was
referring to the girl rather than her intimate parts.

Quote:

Yes, and they sound quite different. I don't know whether there is any
connection between the two words.

Quote:

I gather "slapper" is trashy, but "totty" just meant young and pretty
when I was young.

Quote:

(He says some things that really unnerve US guests. He tried to get
Pamela Anderson to talk about the role that men's fantasies about her
breasts have played in her career, and she was nearly speechless and
really uncomfortable. It was clear to me that it was not a subject she
could light-heartedly quip about.)

I guess US stars expect much more protection from TV interviewers than
UK ones would expect (although that may be different over there too
these days). The other day I heard Tom Selleck (on a "Biography" re-run)
whining about questions from Rosie O'Donnell that she wasn't supposed to
have asked, because he only wanted to talk about the film he'd just
made. I thought he sounded like a spoiled child.

Fran

Mike Lyle
Guest

Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 2:29 am Post subject: Re: Totty vs. minge

Donna Richoux wrote:

Quote:

Mike Lyle <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"Totty/ie" was around in the sixties, equivalent to "bird",
"chick".
No pudendosity in my hearing. Quote from student actor seeking the
make-up expert: "Where's the good-news tottie with the nine and
five?"

Partridge Historical says it meant "high-class whore" in the late
19C, though.

I've heard it a few times on BBC TV and sometimes I've wondered if
it
was "tart/tarty" which has that same meaning. But you're able to
hear
a clear difference between tot and (non-rhotic) tart, right? Isn't
"tart" UK slang as well?

There's acres of clear blue water between them. Those Br, WI, and
Irish accents which say "tot" in a nearly-American way are rhotic, so
they have a clear distinction, too.

Yes, "tart" is ordinary here.

Quote:

TV host Jonathan Ross used "tottie" in talking to Halle Berry and
tried to explain it. It wasn't clear from his explanation (you
could
see the confusion on her face, though she tried gamely to follow)
whether it meant "trashy" or just "pretty."

(He says some things that really unnerve US guests. He tried to get
Pamela Anderson to talk about the role that men's fantasies about
her
breasts have played in her career, and she was nearly speechless
and
really uncomfortable. It was clear to me that it was not a subject
she
could light-heartedly quip about.)

I think he does that to all his guests. I've rarely seen him, but one
time I did, he was interrogating the (in screen persona at any rate)
amiably school-mistressy Carol Vorderman about farting.

--
Mike.

the Omrud
Guest

Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 4:34 am Post subject: Re: Totty vs. minge

Django Cat spake thusly:

Quote:

On Sat, 14 May 2005 13:37:19 +0200, "Father Ignatius"
FatherIgnatius@ANTISPAMananzi.co.za> wrote:

I had always understood "totty" to be a simile for "minge", i.e. not
gender neutral, cf. lavatories in "Men Behaving Badly" being marked
"Blokes" and "Totty".

I discover in the current edition of Chambers, however, under tot[1],
that "totty" or "tottie" means "sexually attractive young people
generally".

Do we have Views?

Building company in Manchester, innit? Much hilarity due to their big
signs around the place. I ran into an attractive female colleague
last week who was standing under one of them and said it was an apt
description. Gosh, did she laugh.

Bradford, not Manchester, innit.

--
David
=====
replace usenet with the

Django Cat
Guest

Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 5:08 am Post subject: Re: Totty vs. minge

On Sat, 14 May 2005 22:34:56 GMT, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:

Django Cat spake thusly:

On Sat, 14 May 2005 13:37:19 +0200, "Father Ignatius"
FatherIgnatius@ANTISPAMananzi.co.za> wrote:

I had always understood "totty" to be a simile for "minge", i.e. not
gender neutral, cf. lavatories in "Men Behaving Badly" being marked
"Blokes" and "Totty".

I discover in the current edition of Chambers, however, under tot[1],
that "totty" or "tottie" means "sexually attractive young people
generally".

Do we have Views?

Building company in Manchester, innit? Much hilarity due to their big
signs around the place. I ran into an attractive female colleague
last week who was standing under one of them and said it was an apt
description. Gosh, did she laugh.

Bradford, not Manchester, innit.

Yeah. Got contracts and big posters in Manchester tho, innit.

(Sniffs, pulls hood over head and is immediately thrown out of
Bluewater Centre).

DC

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