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kentusha
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:22 pm
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Hi-ya all,
I am trying to write something with a deep cockney accent, does anyone
have any comments on this:
"I used ter go ter clubs, It were the sixties and there were so many
new clubs all the time openin' up on the Kings Road and in Soho.
Me and 'er indoors ‘ad startin' gonna to one them Swinger's places
dahn in Soho. It were great big grand place wiv red velvet everywhere.
Yer walked in and it was like a regular sheiks ‘arem. Then yer went
ter the back and there were the goods. The back were also right posh.
All dark drapes, velvet in black and red.
In the centre of the room were a stage. A small one, all circled wiv
fick curtains. And there as yer walked in ta da room were some ladies
fanny sticking out at ya and cunts went right up to her and gave it a
ride while yaz wotched.
I did'na about that so I gos up to some gorgeous broad, all dun up to
the nines in Arabian nights get up and I goes straight stiff. And I
tells 'er and even pulls it out and shows 'er and tells 'er wot I want
ter do wiv it, and 'oo I were and all. And she goes and tells me I
ain't divin' in wi'out no raincoat. And a dunno sumfink popped and I
started ter show 'er that I didn't need no johnny. I'm just about
inside 'er and she goes screamin' and yellin' 'er loaf off. And I
blow, I grab 'er , and try ter get 'er ter quite dahn. She's borlin'
like some girl, and blokes start starin' at me, and wiv me nervous I
run outdoors, cuz I didn't need no more bad press, and then I 'ave a
looks dahn and 'er torn shorl were still in mi 'ands. Its cold and I
just 'ave a look 'round, still punch drunk. Me coats ‘nside. I spot
some gal across the way and she is walkin' into a buildin'. The bloody
door is big and connected ter some worn out slow springs and so I
cotch the door just as it closes. I wait a minute and make sure she is
in inside and then I follow behind 'er. Da door into er flat wa'nt so
far so I wotch ‘er as she steps inside. Den I pounce. I pushed 'a in
and on ta the floor and I tied the bloomin' shorl 'round 'er ter try
ter keep 'er shutup. I stuffed the loose bits into 'er North and
South. I shot inside 'er and then comes in the bloomin' heat. Her man,
right, sumfink like in 'is 70s 'eard the 'oole fin' in the room next
door and called the bobbies. The bint died wiv me inside 'er. "
thanks a mil
kent
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Keeper
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| Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:00 am
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In message <456dbe85.0410210222.67b9be84@posting.google.com>, kentusha
<kentgibson@yahoo.com> writes
| Quote: | Hi-ya all,
I am trying to write something with a deep cockney accent, does anyone
have any comments on this:
"I used ter go ter clubs, It were the sixties and there were so many
new clubs all the time openin' up on the Kings Road and in Soho.
Enormous snip |
I am not a cockney. I grew up on the edges of South London. I did,
however, know a lot of people from the East End including my own
grandfather. I do not claim to be an expert on cockney but your piece
does not ring true to me .
I tried to read it out loud but it did not work.
I never heard anyone in London refer to a woman as a 'broad'. I think
that is US eastern seaboard but I might be wrong, It is true that the
final G was often dropped from a word but not invariably. H was often
missing from the beginning of a word but not always. Sometimes an H
would appear that was not supposed to be there.
You have also completely left out any Rhyming Slang.
Nobody I knew would have talked to me about such things so I can't
comment on the content.
I think this belongs somewhere in the Dick Van Dyke school of dialog
interpretation. It also makes me think of Graham Greene's Brighton
Rock. IMHO Greene, who wouldn't know a working man if he woke up with
one, entirely failed to write appropriate dialog for the class of people
which he seems to have assumed was entirely venal and amoral because
their dialect was a mystery to him. I know this may be a minority
opinion but it is sincerely held. .
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Doug C
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| Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 2:37 am
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"kentusha" <kentgibson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:456dbe85.0410210222.67b9be84@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | Hi-ya all,
I am trying to write something with a deep cockney accent, does anyone
have any comments on this:
It seems to mix a wide range of slang and pronunciation. At one point I |
thought I was in Yorkshire: "It were great big grand place".
"in ta da room" sounds more like between the wars Bronx than London, ditto
"broad".
Er, I assume you're American. In British English "fannies" can't stick out:
they are the front not the back.
Just some examples that may suggest you've got some way to go.
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Doug
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sum1else
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| Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:40 am
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kentgibson@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | Hi-ya all,
I am trying to write something with a deep cockney accent, does anyone
have any comments on this:
"I used ter go ter clubs, It were the sixties and there were so many
new clubs all the time openin' up on the Kings Road and in Soho.
Me and 'er indoors ‘ad startin' gonna to one them Swinger's places
dahn in Soho. It were great big grand place wiv red velvet everywhere.
Yer walked in and it was like a regular sheiks ‘arem. Then yer went
ter the back and there were the goods. The back were also right posh.
snip>-
kent
Sorry, but, no, it doesn't sound anything close to the |
Londoners,
including Cockneys, I've spoken to.
It *does* sound in parts like the young working class way of talking in the
Sixties, but the speaker could be from the North, e.g.
Manchester, or Sheffield, or be someone who has moved about a bit
and picked up several regional accents.
If it was possible, I'd recommend you got hold of some of the
Steptoe and Son BBC TV series, set in east London in that time.
This was remade for American TV under a different title and set in
(New York). Steptoe and Son doesn't seem to be known here, I've
found.
Another BBC TV series that is set in the area, Till Death Do Us Part,
would also give you something of the feel of the speech there.
BTW, very few British speakers would say 'broad' for girl.
The Sixties UK equivalent was almost invvariably :bird".
And, ahem, 'fanny' in Britain refers to another part of the female
anatomy: I can send you details in a plain envelope if you require,
but you must be over 18 .....
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Ian
Ft Worth, TX, USA
(but originally from Britain so I knows wot I'mtalking about, see) |
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Mike Stevens
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| Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:39 pm
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sum1else wrote:
| Quote: | kentgibson@yahoo.com wrote:
If it was possible, I'd recommend you got hold of some of the
Steptoe and Son BBC TV series, set in east London in that time.
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West London surely? Shepherds Bush IIRC.
| Quote: | Another BBC TV series that is set in the area, Till Death Do Us Part,
would also give you something of the feel of the speech there.
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That one *was* set in the East End.
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Mike Stevens
narrowboat Felis Catus II
Web site www.mike-stevens.co.uk
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sum1else
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| Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:24 pm
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michael.stevens@which.net wrote:
| Quote: | sum1else wrote:
Steptoe and Son BBC TV series, set in east London in that time.
West London surely? Shepherds Bush IIRC.
Oh ... right. I never knew that! |
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"Maybe it's because I'm (not) a Londoner..."
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kentusha
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:28 pm
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thanks for the pointers guys. By the way the bit of about the fanny
was intentional, re the rhyming slang I was actually mostly trying to
avoid it. I think it would just confuse too many people.
what about just the word 'and' how do you thinkg you would write in
cockney, or 'coat', or 'cold'?
and what about condom?
thanks again.
sum1else@flash.net (sum1else) wrote in message news:<20041023.0113.1094snz@flash.net>...
| Quote: | michael.stevens@which.net wrote:
sum1else wrote:
Steptoe and Son BBC TV series, set in east London in that time.
West London surely? Shepherds Bush IIRC.
Oh ... right. I never knew that!
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"Maybe it's because I'm (not) a Londoner..." |
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Bill W.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:00 pm
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Alright all?
Im a cockney, and in regards to this peice of literature i wanted to say the following....
If you were to write a peice of literature in the cockney accent.. you oughta put in some rhyming slang. 'alf the cockneys i know use a phrase 'ere and there. For 'cold', if you was spelling it phonetically it'd be summit like Cawld. thats how i say it anyways. If you wanted to 'slang' it have summit like 'boris da bold'.
'Coat' the only slang i know fer coat is 'Nanny goat'.
If your gonna write 'and' spelt phonetically i suggest just an'
Also For the condom just call it condom..the only slang ive heard for that is a dick an' dom but i suggest to just call it a condom
Alright mate. sorted? i bloody well hope so
Bill.
PS. To be honest mate i think writing cockney accents should be left for the professionals
PPS. for the Police, i call 'em "old bill" but me mother called them bobbies |
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Bill W.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:05 pm
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oh yeah, another thing mate
Cut off the "h"'s of the beginning of words like hello, it'd just be 'ello and if theres a "th" then its usually spoken as in an 'rf' as in bath. or muva instead of mother |
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