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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:03 pm
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I see this morning that Google Groups has made some style changes to its
Usenet archives. People might want to try it out, hunting for some old
posts or whatever, and see if these are improvements or not.
(I find that the "original" page, where the Message ID is found,
displays in too small of type -- I just sent them a note.)
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Best -- Donna Richoux |
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Frances Kemmish
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:01 pm
Post subject: Re: new format at Google archive |
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Donna Richoux wrote:
| Quote: | I see this morning that Google Groups has made some style changes to its
Usenet archives. People might want to try it out, hunting for some old
posts or whatever, and see if these are improvements or not.
(I find that the "original" page, where the Message ID is found,
displays in too small of type -- I just sent them a note.)
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I notice that, when you call up an individual result, it automatically
gives you a thread, rather than a single post. This is fine unless you
decide at that point to enlarge the text, in which you find yourself at
some other post in the thread than the post you were trying to read.
Fran |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:01 pm
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Looks like a retrograde step to me. It's much more cluttered, and hard
to find what you are looking for, and there seems to be some confusing
idea to do with Google groups that are different from Usenet newsgroups
- I haven't quite worked out what that is about yet though.
Gary Cunningham.
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John Dean
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:03 pm
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Donna Richoux wrote:
| Quote: | I see this morning that Google Groups has made some style changes to
its Usenet archives. People might want to try it out, hunting for
some old posts or whatever, and see if these are improvements or not.
(I find that the "original" page, where the Message ID is found,
displays in too small of type -- I just sent them a note.)
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Oooh - I like it! Big improvement. Much easier to follow threads.
Is the type size on the 'original' page more a matter of your 'view'
settings? Looks fine to me - it's just in courier instead of the
spiffier Arial of the start page.
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:04 pm
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John Dean <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Donna Richoux wrote:
I see this morning that Google Groups has made some style changes to
its Usenet archives. People might want to try it out, hunting for
some old posts or whatever, and see if these are improvements or not.
(I find that the "original" page, where the Message ID is found,
displays in too small of type -- I just sent them a note.)
Oooh - I like it! Big improvement. Much easier to follow threads.
Is the type size on the 'original' page more a matter of your 'view'
settings? Looks fine to me - it's just in courier instead of the
spiffier Arial of the start page.
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I just checked the Preferences in Internet Explorer 5.l. Google's
"original" post is shown in the font that is called "Monospace" in those
settings; I can change the font but not its size. That must be controled
by some HTML command. I can enlarge the post to something readable by
hitting the Plus key on the tool bar, twice, but I'd rather not. I don't
see that it would be any skin off of their nose to display the originals
in the same font size; it's not like they're saving paper this way.
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Pierre Jelenc
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:21 pm
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Donna Richoux <trio@euronet.nl> writes:
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(I find that the "original" page, where the Message ID is found,
displays in too small of type -- I just sent them a note.)
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One whose URL ends in "output=gplain"? It's not formatted at all; just
change your default font to something bigger, or everything that's not
formatted will look too small.
Pierre
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Steve MacGregor
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:00 am
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"Donna Richoux" <trio@euronet.nl> wrote in message
news:1go6e4l.1qib2gq1fp24j4N%trio@euronet.nl...
| Quote: | I just checked the Preferences in Internet Explorer 5.l. Google's
"original" post is shown in the font that is called "Monospace" in
those
settings; I can change the font but not its size. That must be
controled
by some HTML command. I can enlarge the post to something readable by
hitting the Plus key on the tool bar, twice, but I'd rather not. I
don't
see that it would be any skin off of their nose to display the
originals
in the same font size; it's not like they're saving paper this way.
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Right. And I'm going to have to tell them one thing myself: when you
have the entire thread indexed on the left, and ten posts of it on the
right, the messages have a number with them in the index, but not in the
expansion, so it's hard to see by looking on the right where I am in the
thread, especially in the case of multiple posts by the same author.
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Steve
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Jess Askin
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:01 am
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"Donna Richoux" <trio@euronet.nl> wrote in message
news:1go5xdu.ysx5uk16cs7u4N%trio@euronet.nl...
| Quote: | I see this morning that Google Groups has made some style changes to its
Usenet archives. People might want to try it out, hunting for some old
posts or whatever, and see if these are improvements or not.
(I find that the "original" page, where the Message ID is found,
displays in too small of type -- I just sent them a note.)
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You mean Google Groups Beta, right? I don't see any difference in the
original (and I'm *not* an early adapter). |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:02 am
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Steve MacGregor wrote:
| Quote: | "Donna Richoux" <trio@euronet.nl> wrote in message
news:1go6e4l.1qib2gq1fp24j4N%trio@euronet.nl...
I just checked the Preferences in Internet Explorer 5.l. Google's
"original" post is shown in the font that is called "Monospace" in
those
settings; I can change the font but not its size. That must be
controled
by some HTML command. I can enlarge the post to something readable
by
hitting the Plus key on the tool bar, twice, but I'd rather not. I
don't
see that it would be any skin off of their nose to display the
originals
in the same font size; it's not like they're saving paper this
way.
Right. And I'm going to have to tell them one thing myself: when
you
have the entire thread indexed on the left, and ten posts of it on
the
right, the messages have a number with them in the index, but not
in
the expansion, so it's hard to see by looking on the right where I
am
in the thread, especially in the case of multiple posts by the same
author.
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I've thought, right from the first time I used Gg Groups 2 beta, that
they were committing the cardinal (but still widespread) blooper of
project management. That is, having a system designed by somebody
who'd never used the facility. Whoever's running this project for
Google has quite clearly never used Usenet very much.
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:02 am
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Jess Askin <dontbother@nospam.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Donna Richoux" <trio@euronet.nl> wrote in message
news:1go5xdu.ysx5uk16cs7u4N%trio@euronet.nl...
I see this morning that Google Groups has made some style changes to its
Usenet archives. People might want to try it out, hunting for some old
posts or whatever, and see if these are improvements or not.
(I find that the "original" page, where the Message ID is found,
displays in too small of type -- I just sent them a note.)
You mean Google Groups Beta, right? I don't see any difference in the
original (and I'm *not* an early adapter).
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Well, I'm not quite sure what happened today, but somehow I wound up
*in* the Beta, which I never had before. I assumed it was their change,
but maybe I just used some other route instead of my trusty bookmark and
wound up there. Google - Groups - Advanced Group Search sends you to the
Beta.
The original is still here, I was glad to find:
http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en
And the Beta is here:
http://groups-beta.google.com/advanced_search
So far I noticed three things: the small font problem I mentioned above;
the loss of the ability to search by date; and the loss of the thread
diagram in a left-hand frame.
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Skitt
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:02 am
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Steve MacGregor wrote:
| Quote: | "Donna Richoux" wrote:
I just checked the Preferences in Internet Explorer 5.l. Google's
"original" post is shown in the font that is called "Monospace" in
those
settings; I can change the font but not its size. That must be
controled
by some HTML command. I can enlarge the post to something readable by
hitting the Plus key on the tool bar, twice, but I'd rather not. I
don't
see that it would be any skin off of their nose to display the
originals
in the same font size; it's not like they're saving paper this way.
Right. And I'm going to have to tell them one thing myself: when you
have the entire thread indexed on the left, and ten posts of it on the
right, the messages have a number with them in the index, but not in
the expansion, so it's hard to see by looking on the right where I am
in the thread, especially in the case of multiple posts by the same
author.
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They sure do have a number in the expansion -- look in the gray bar above
each message where is says "Message XX in the thread". In the message tree
display on the left, there is a little indicator by the message and its
number that you are looking at.
Am I looking at something different from what you and Donna are talking
about? I don't see any problems at all, text size included. Maybe my eyes
(with reading glasses) are better than those of others. Anyway, the text
size in the "original format" or any other format is fully adjustable, if
that is what is desired. I don't find it necessary.
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:02 am
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Jess Askin wrote:
| Quote: | "Donna Richoux" wrote:
I see this morning that Google Groups has made some style changes to
its Usenet archives. People might want to try it out, hunting for
some old posts or whatever, and see if these are improvements or not.
(I find that the "original" page, where the Message ID is found,
displays in too small of type -- I just sent them a note.)
You mean Google Groups Beta, right? I don't see any difference in the
original (and I'm *not* an early adapter).
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Beta must be it. I don't see any of the mentioned problems in the regular
Google Groups displays.
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:03 am
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Pierre Jelenc <rcpj@panix.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Donna Richoux <trio@euronet.nl> writes:
(I find that the "original" page, where the Message ID is found,
displays in too small of type -- I just sent them a note.)
One whose URL ends in "output=gplain"? It's not formatted at all; just
change your default font to something bigger, or everything that's not
formatted will look too small.
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No, sorry, that doesn't work. In Internet Explorer 5.l I have only one
Preference control over font size, and the particular pages in question
definitely are set to go smaller than that size. I can use the Plus key
(twice) to enlarge the screen, but that is slow.
Just to be clearer what I'm talking about. Suppose I use the Advanced
Search to call up a list of my own posts. I click on the first. Near the
top I now get:
new format at Google archive
Only 1 message in topic
Donna Richoux Dec 2, 1:38 am show options
I click on "show options". I get another, similar version of the post
that is headed
new format at Google archive
Only 1 message in topic
Donna Richoux Dec 2, 1:38 am hide options
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: t...@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:38:03 +0100
Local: Thurs, Dec 2 2004 1:38 am
Subject: new format at Google archive
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I click on "Show Original" (because I want to know the Message ID, and
I've not yet found any other way to get it). The screen it gives me now
is the one I'm saying is too small to read. Somewhere in there is the
Message ID for that post. So I use the Plus key on my toolbar to enlarge
it enough to read.
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Jess Askin
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:03 am
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"Donna Richoux" <trio@euronet.nl> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Jess Askin <dontbother@nospam.net> wrote:
"Donna Richoux" <trio@euronet.nl> wrote in message
news:1go5xdu.ysx5uk16cs7u4N%trio@euronet.nl...
I see this morning that Google Groups has made some style changes to
its
Usenet archives. People might want to try it out, hunting for some old
posts or whatever, and see if these are improvements or not.
(I find that the "original" page, where the Message ID is found,
displays in too small of type -- I just sent them a note.)
You mean Google Groups Beta, right? I don't see any difference in the
original (and I'm *not* an early adapter).
Well, I'm not quite sure what happened today, but somehow I wound up
*in* the Beta, which I never had before. I assumed it was their change,
but maybe I just used some other route instead of my trusty bookmark and
wound up there. Google - Groups - Advanced Group Search sends you to the
Beta.
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Not me, as of 1600 hours CST I still get the original when I click Groups on
the Google home page. It sounds like they're phasing it in gradually, which
seems odd. |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:04 am
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Jess Askin <dontbother@nospam.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Donna Richoux" <trio@euronet.nl> wrote in message
news:1go6pe6.19cdd2msyxzlN%trio@euronet.nl...
Jess Askin <dontbother@nospam.net> wrote:
"Donna Richoux" <trio@euronet.nl> wrote in message
news:1go5xdu.ysx5uk16cs7u4N%trio@euronet.nl...
I see this morning that Google Groups has made some style changes to
its
Usenet archives. People might want to try it out, hunting for some old
posts or whatever, and see if these are improvements or not.
(I find that the "original" page, where the Message ID is found,
displays in too small of type -- I just sent them a note.)
You mean Google Groups Beta, right? I don't see any difference in the
original (and I'm *not* an early adapter).
Well, I'm not quite sure what happened today, but somehow I wound up
*in* the Beta, which I never had before. I assumed it was their change,
but maybe I just used some other route instead of my trusty bookmark and
wound up there. Google - Groups - Advanced Group Search sends you to the
Beta.
Not me, as of 1600 hours CST I still get the original when I click Groups on
the Google home page. It sounds like they're phasing it in gradually, which
seems odd.
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Oh, crumb, now *I* don't get there either. I don't think I'm going
nuts... My best guess is that after one day's trial (maybe by giving it
to the outside-of-US market?) Google has pulled the Beta forms back off
again, to make revisions.
Now what I see on Google - Groups is the line:
New! Preview the next version of Google Groups
And if you click on that, you'll enter the Beta world. Maybe that's been
there for some time, maybe not, who knows.
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Best -- Donna Richoux |
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