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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:15 am
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Rexy, you have clearly done a lot of research into this.
Thank you. That is so much more than any of the other intellectually
dishonest posters could ever state.
Have you never noticed that the two salutes were not the same, that
they differed in both form and mood? The Nazi salute was taut, phallic,
aggressive, with the arm rigid, the palm downwards and the fingers
parallel and pressed together to form a spearhead. The Bellamy salute
was a bad actor of the old school doing Romeo beneath Juliet's balcony:
the lovelorn frown, the arm sweeping outwards and upwards, the hand
open, the fingers limp - 'But soft! One Nation indivisible, with
Liberty and Justice for all!' ('No, no, no! You look like a bloody
barman pressing a bloody glass to a bloody optic, darling. Do it again.
More vim, less gin, please.')
Yes, I wrote the book on your observation. On the surface you are
correct but there is more to it and it is a fascinating story.
http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html
Here is an excerpt about the part that I discovered and that almost no
one knows: James Bailey Upham suggested to Bellamy part of the gesture
(the straight-arm with the palm upward). Upham's suggested gesture
(palm up) was like saying "Here is the flag." It was because of
Bellamy's alteration (the addition of the military salute) that the
pledge evolved into the Nazi-style.
The gesture changed in use, growing into the "Heil Hitler" appearance
because of the military salute (palm down) extended casually straight
toward the flag. Thanks for your relevant question.
You are on slightly more solid ground with all this stuff about
'military socialism'.
Thanks again.
But they were all at it in those days and it seems a bit unfair to pin
Nazism on a mild little chap like Francis Bellamy (who, let us not
forget, ended up working in advertising).
Well, that is why he is known as the local Leni Riefenstahl. And it
wasn't just him, his cousin Edward Bellamy was his cohort and that is
why they are known as the first American Nazis. Remember too that
Hitler was an artist.
you need look no further than Teddy Roosevelt. I am
sure he was more of an influence on Nazism than Bellamy was. (Which is
to say, Roosevelt's influence was slightly less negligible than was
Bellamy's: Nazism's real roots were in German Romanticism.)
Perhaps you underestimate the fact that Francis and Edward worked
together to promote their dogma and that Edward wrote the international
bestseller "Looking Backward" that was translated into every major
language including Russian, Chineses and German. That means that the
Bellamys influenced the socialist tio of atrocities responsible for
the socialist Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a part): the Union
of Soviet Socialist Republics, 62 million slaughtered; the Peoples'
Republic of China 35 million; and the National Socialist German
workers' Party with 21 million. So, you are limiting yourself to say
that the Bellamys influenced the Nazis. They influended EVERY
socialist hell hole on earth. It would be hard for them to have done
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:16 am
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I'm sorry that the software you are using sucks. But thanks for
conceding all my points. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:17 am
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I'm sorry that the software you are using sucks. But thanks for not
disputing any of my points. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:20 am
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You are not in it for the facts or for accuracy. You are in it to make
a big mess out of people's loyalties and symbols by promoting socialism
and by covering up for its horrors. There is no farther end to which
your propaganda can aspire. Its sad, really. You've been repeating
crap that you were taught for so long, and refusing to think, that you
probably believe your line of crap and you have no interest in
thinking. Thanks again for not actually disputing a word I said. |
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Mickwick
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:10 am
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In alt.usage.english, Rexy wrote:
[...]
Which leads to:
http://www.rexcurry.net/pledgehoratii.html
The Roman salute myth might have sprung from the fact that
Francis Bellamy (the author of the pledge of allegiance and of
its original straight-arm salute) was from the city of Rome (in
the state of New York, not in Italy) and people and things from
the city in New York state were referred to as "Roman" and still
are today.
YARFAICMFP.
You need a new hobby, Rexy. (And so do I, by George! What a waste of
quality boozing time!)
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Areff
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:11 am
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rexy@ij.net wrote:
| Quote: | It is sad that you all feel badly about not being me, the person who
made the historic discovery that the straight-armed salute of the
National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazis) came from the military
salute in the USA, and from the original pledge of allegiance in
government schools, and not from ancient Rome.
http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html
Someday, if you become more interesting, it is possible that someone
who is even more interesting than all of you might actually do an
interview about the topic on nationwide radio
http://rexcurry.net/michael-medved.html
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Michael Medved... isn't he the popular movie reviewer who occasionally
subs for Rush Limbaugh?
ObAUE: AIR, "medved", Russian for "bear", derives from a word for "honey
eater", the name of the bear being taboo in certain early Indo-European
cultures. On the Germanic branch, the bear was referred to as "the brown
one".
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Steny '08! |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:30 am
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Which leads to:
http://www.rexcurry.net/pledgehoratii.html
The Roman salute myth might have sprung from the fact that
Francis Bellamy (the author of the pledge of allegiance and of
its original straight-arm salute) was from the city of Rome (in
the state of New York, not in Italy) and people and things from
the city in New York state were referred to as "Roman" and
still
are today.
Mnickwick YARFAICMFP.
You need a new hobby, Mnickwick. (And so do I, by Jove! What a waste of
quality boozing time talking to you Mnickwick!) But thanks for
conceding my points and for not disputing a word of it, in that you
know I am correct. I realize that you think that by making a juvenile
remark you are covering up for your humiliating defeat, but that is in
your own mind alone. Everyone else knows that you have been shown to
be completely and utterly wrong. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:34 am
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Thanks for conceding my points and for not disputing a word of it. We
realize that by making juvenile remarks you believe that you are
covering up for being shown to be completely and utterly wrong, but
your cover up is only in your own mind. Everyone else realizes that it
is just an embarassing effort on your part to save face. Thanks
again. |
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lightbulb
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:48 am
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<rexy@ij.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I'm sorry that the software you are using sucks. But thanks for
conceding all my points.
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The material you quoted stands out in no way from the text you added.
You're the only one whose posts are like that. Go figure. I didn't concede
any of your points. I don't care about your points.
Mike G. |
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lightbulb
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:50 am
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<rexy@ij.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | You are not in it for the facts or for accuracy. You are in it to make
a big mess out of people's loyalties and symbols by promoting socialism
and by covering up for its horrors. There is no farther end to which
your propaganda can aspire. Its sad, really. You've been repeating
crap that you were taught for so long, and refusing to think, that you
probably believe your line of crap and you have no interest in
thinking. Thanks again for not actually disputing a word I said.
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Do not mix your words in with mine. Learn to post properly. Perhaps there
are some others in my killfile that could help you learn.
MG |
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lightbulb
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:52 am
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<rexy@ij.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I'm sorry that the software you are using sucks. But thanks for not
disputing any of my points.
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Post your recipe for key lime pie and you'll get much more favorable
replies.
MG |
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lightbulb
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:53 am
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<rexy@ij.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Thanks for conceding my points and for not disputing a word of it. We
realize that by making juvenile remarks you believe that you are
covering up for being shown to be completely and utterly wrong, but
your cover up is only in your own mind. Everyone else realizes that it
is just an embarassing effort on your part to save face. Thanks
again.
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lightbulb
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:13 am
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"Charles Riggs" <chriggs@éircom.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:50:16 -0500, "lightbulb"
lightbulb@chartermi.net> wrote:
rexy@ij.net> wrote in message
news:1110666019.706542.164500@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
You are not in it for the facts or for accuracy. You are in it to make
a big mess out of people's loyalties and symbols by promoting socialism
and by covering up for its horrors. There is no farther end to which
your propaganda can aspire. Its sad, really. You've been repeating
crap that you were taught for so long, and refusing to think, that you
probably believe your line of crap and you have no interest in
thinking. Thanks again for not actually disputing a word I said.
Do not mix your words in with mine. Learn to post properly. Perhaps
there
are some others in my killfile that could help you learn.
Although he sounds loony tunes, I find it somewhat interesting that he
writes quite well. From a strictly English standpoint, I'd find little
to dispute with in his posts. Since he is clearly not a dummy and is
certainly not dull, I am reluctant to place him among the bores in my
killfile.
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I went to his websites and searched GoogleGroups for his posts. Dullsville.
He's a broken record, and not even a good one at that. As I said, he's
wasting his energy. I noted his good qualities, and instead of engaging me
on an intelligent level, he spouted some more of his automated dogmatic
responses. He also mashed his ramblings directly into the text from my
posts. I feel no need nor desire to deal with that. He's only the second
or third person in AUE I've plonked. I'm not happy about doing it, but I
don't think he's going to vary his tune. I'm sure the Libertarian Party is
embarrassed.
Mike G. |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:13 am
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:50:16 -0500, "lightbulb"
<lightbulb@chartermi.net> wrote:
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rexy@ij.net> wrote in message
news:1110666019.706542.164500@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
You are not in it for the facts or for accuracy. You are in it to make
a big mess out of people's loyalties and symbols by promoting socialism
and by covering up for its horrors. There is no farther end to which
your propaganda can aspire. Its sad, really. You've been repeating
crap that you were taught for so long, and refusing to think, that you
probably believe your line of crap and you have no interest in
thinking. Thanks again for not actually disputing a word I said.
Do not mix your words in with mine. Learn to post properly. Perhaps there
are some others in my killfile that could help you learn.
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Although he sounds loony tunes, I find it somewhat interesting that he
writes quite well. From a strictly English standpoint, I'd find little
to dispute with in his posts. Since he is clearly not a dummy and is
certainly not dull, I am reluctant to place him among the bores in my
killfile.
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Charles Riggs
There are no accented letters in my email address |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:14 am
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 02:40:52 +0000 (UTC), R J Valentine
<rj@TheWorld.com> wrote:
| Quote: | From: R J Valentine <rj@TheWorld.com
Subject: Re: disinteresting [WAS: Salute to the flag of USA was NAZI salute]
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
References: <1110586037.035511.61490@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <kEuYd.576$S86.58@fe02.lga> <39fclaF5vnllfU1@individual.net> <vVvYd.2949$9E7.2743@fe03.lga> <jZvYd.1562$qW.389@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> <d0u2p8$a16$1@pcls4.std.com> <1gtby5o.kaym2k805y7yN%trio@euronet.nl
Organization: TheWorld.com
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:14:52 +0100 Donna Richoux <trio@euronet.nl> wrote:
} R J Valentine <rj@TheWorld.com> wrote:
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}> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:27:27 GMT Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl@earthlink.net> wrote:
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}> } lightbulb wrote:
}> }> "Areff" <me@privacy.net> wrote
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}> }>>lightbulb wrote:
}> }>>>Is there an award for Most Disinteresting Post?
}> }
}> }>>Oy!
}> }
}> }> That's proper awardspeak. And "disinteresting" is exactly what I meant.
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}> } It avoids another "I could/couldn't care less" thread.
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}> How is that different from Most Uninteresting Post, if that's what it
}> avoids. How does the post make him neutral about a contested issue if
}> not?
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}> The question was well-Oy!ed.
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} Maybe lightbulb knew that "disinteresting" would distract us from the
} previous discussion, and for that reason was exactly what he meant.
}
} I don't think that you can have a disinteresting *anything*, in the
} classical sense. It's not transitive, and it's usually used as an
} adjective -- you can be disinterested, by having no financial stake
} (interest) in an outcome, but you really don't disinterest a thing.
}
} Now, just a month ago I was trying to think of examples of verbs that
} are usually in the "to be Xed" form instead of "to X". Will I remember
} this, next time I need one? I doubt it.
}
} As I said, I'm discussing the classical sense. The merging with
} "uninterested" is probably accepted now, even by conservative
} dictionaries.
Yeah, but did you notice how a well-Oy!ed English usage can bring in even
the eternally disinterested (in the classical sense) Donna Richoux?
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What it brings in is a crew of demolition specialists. |
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