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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:39 am
Post subject: Correct usage of "duplicate". |
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In India, a counterfeit product is usually referred to as a
"duplicate". Is this proper English or is it just another example of
Indian English ?
The Indian population is made up of people from dozens of different
races, tribes and sub-tribes, each with its own language and dialect.
Often the only way we can communicate with each other is by using
English. And in the process, it has gradually evolved into a peculiar
form of Indianised English, although British English is still
recognised as the correct one.
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Harvey Van Sickle
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:45 am
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On 06 Nov 2005, wrote
| Quote: | In India, a counterfeit product is usually referred to as a
"duplicate". Is this proper English or is it just another
example of Indian English ?
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"Duplicate" has no connotation of counterfeit in my usage. One
would, for example, send a "duplicate invoice" or a "duplicate
cheque" if the first one had gone astray.
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Cheers, Harvey
Canadian (30 years) and British (23 years)
For e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van |
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ray o'hara
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:59 pm
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| Quote: | In India, a counterfeit product is usually referred to as a
"duplicate". Is this proper English or is it just another example of
Indian English ?
The Indian population is made up of people from dozens of different
races, tribes and sub-tribes, each with its own language and dialect.
Often the only way we can communicate with each other is by using
English. And in the process, it has gradually evolved into a peculiar
form of Indianised English, although British English is still
recognised as the correct one.
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All counterfeits are duplicates,all duplicates are not counterfeit.
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CDB
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:57 pm
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pjdd@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
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In India, a counterfeit product is usually referred to as a
"duplicate". Is this proper English or is it just another example
of
Indian English ?
The Indian population is made up of people from dozens of different
races, tribes and sub-tribes, each with its own language and
dialect.
Often the only way we can communicate with each other is by using
English. And in the process, it has gradually evolved into a
peculiar
form of Indianised English, although British English is still
recognised as the correct one.
All counterfeits are duplicates,all duplicates are not counterfeit.
Maybe the Indian usage is influenced by an assumed connection with the |
unrelated verb "dupe", to deceive. |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:04 pm
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CDB wrote:
| Quote: | "ray o'hara" <roh@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Yc6dnbjKEPjguPLenZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@comcast.com...
pjdd@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131298778.734269.187280@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
In India, a counterfeit product is usually referred to as a
"duplicate". Is this proper English or is it just another example
of
Indian English ?
The Indian population is made up of people from dozens of
different
races, tribes and sub-tribes, each with its own language and
dialect.
Often the only way we can communicate with each other is by using
English. And in the process, it has gradually evolved into a
peculiar
form of Indianised English, although British English is still
recognised as the correct one.
All counterfeits are duplicates,all duplicates are not
counterfeit.
Maybe the Indian usage is influenced by an assumed connection with
the
unrelated verb "dupe", to deceive.
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I think it's just a euphemism. A duplicate sounds respectable, while
a counterfeit isn't. I suppose we could in some situations call
certain kinds of counterfeits "duplicates"; but I'm not comfortable
with it, and I certainly couldn't agree that all counterfeits, not
even all good ones, are duplicates.
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Mike. |
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Alan Jones
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:13 pm
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"Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | CDB wrote:
"ray o'hara" <roh@comcast.net> wrote in message
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pjdd@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
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In India, a counterfeit product is usually referred to as a
"duplicate". Is this proper English or is it just another example
of
Indian English ?
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| Quote: | All counterfeits are duplicates,all duplicates are not
counterfeit.
Maybe the Indian usage is influenced by an assumed connection with
the
unrelated verb "dupe", to deceive.
I think it's just a euphemism. A duplicate sounds respectable, while
a counterfeit isn't. I suppose we could in some situations call
certain kinds of counterfeits "duplicates"; but I'm not comfortable
with it, and I certainly couldn't agree that all counterfeits, not
even all good ones, are duplicates.
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I think of a "duplicate" as being a second legitimate copy of some document,
perhaps filed away for reference, perhaps sent as a replacement for
something lost. It had never occurred to me that "duplicate" might mean a
forgery or counterfeit, or could refer to a "product", though NSOED reminds
me that it can mean a second specimen of some mass-produced item in a
collection, such as a postage stamp. Some works of art (often sculptures
cast in metal, but also paintings such as the Leonardo "Virgin of the Rocks"
and of course etchings and other prints) exist in more than one copy, but I
probably wouldn't call them "duplicates" unless a single collection had two
or more identical specimens. Then the second to be acquired would be a
"duplicate", as with stamps. Actually, I don't think even etchings would
usually be identical: the same image from the same plate, but in different
"states".
Alan Jones |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:06 am
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Alan Jones wrote:
| Quote: | I think of a "duplicate" as being a second legitimate copy of some document,
perhaps filed away for reference, perhaps sent as a replacement for
something lost. It had never occurred to me that "duplicate" might mean a
forgery or counterfeit,
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Thanks for all the replies. It always makes me uncomfortable when
someone refers to a counterfeit as a duplicate, but I wanted to have
confirmation from native speakers. Perhaps the usage in India came
about because the term counterfeit occurs less often in everyday
speech, and the majority of Indians, with a limited knowledge of a
foreign language, are not familiar with the word or are only vaguely
aware of its existence. Many of them probably know what it means when
they read it or hear it spoken, but do not have it as a part of their
ready-to-use vocabulary. OTOH, the term 'duplicate', with its wider
range of application to legitimate copies, is readily familiar to most
people. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:33 pm
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| Quote: | All counterfeits are duplicates, all duplicates are not counterfeit.
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Actually, _some_ duplicates *are* counterfeit. It's just that _not
all_ duplicates are counterfeit.
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Not all adverb placements say what was intended. |
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