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Ross Howard
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:54 pm
Post subject: The Eggcornin' Bob Dylan |
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I've just started to read *Chronicles*, Bob Dylan's autobiography, and
-- apart from some annoyingly lax copy-editing -- it's a great read.
I did come across this, though.
I had stopped going down to the Café Wha? in the afternoons.
Never stepped foot in there again.
"Stepped foot in"? I checked with the Eggcorn Database and, yes, there
it is (entered by Ben Zimmer).
Wow, whodathought -- Bob Dylan's a TCE speaker! (He also uses personal
"that").
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Ross Howard
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:07 pm
Post subject: Re: The Eggcornin' Bob Dylan |
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:54:50 +0100, Ross Howard <gguiri@yahoo.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | I've just started to read *Chronicles*, Bob Dylan's autobiography, and
-- apart from some annoyingly lax copy-editing -- it's a great read.
I did come across this, though.
I had stopped going down to the Café Wha? in the afternoons.
Never stepped foot in there again.
"Stepped foot in"? I checked with the Eggcorn Database and, yes, there
it is (entered by Ben Zimmer).
Wow, whodathought -- Bob Dylan's a TCE speaker! (He also uses personal
"that").
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Do you have an example of where TC wrote "stepped foot in"? I suspect
it is an American Westernism, not a Cooperism.
I'm sorry to hear that Bob uses personal "that"; I guess no-one's
perfect.
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Charles Riggs |
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Harvey Van Sickle
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:11 pm
Post subject: Re: The Eggcornin' Bob Dylan |
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On 04 Nov 2005, Ross Howard wrote
| Quote: | I've just started to read *Chronicles*, Bob Dylan's
autobiography, and -- apart from some annoyingly lax
copy-editing -- it's a great read.
I did come across this, though.
I had stopped going down to the Café Wha? in the
afternoons. Never stepped foot in there again.
"Stepped foot in"? I checked with the Eggcorn Database and,
yes, there it is (entered by Ben Zimmer).
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"Never stepped foot in there again" sounds entirely idiomatic to me
-- regional, but I can't see which word has replaced a correct one.
So which word is the eggcorned one? (I couldn't find it in the
Eggcorn Database under "stepped", "foot", or "stepped foot in".)
--
Cheers, Harvey
Canadian (30 years) and British (23 years)
For e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van
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Nate Branscom
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:11 pm
Post subject: Re: The Eggcornin' Bob Dylan |
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Ross Howard wrote:
| Quote: | I've just started to read *Chronicles*, Bob Dylan's autobiography, and
-- apart from some annoyingly lax copy-editing -- it's a great read.
I did come across this, though.
I had stopped going down to the Café Wha? in the afternoons.
Never stepped foot in there again.
"Stepped foot in"? I checked with the Eggcorn Database and, yes, there
it is (entered by Ben Zimmer).
Wow, whodathought -- Bob Dylan's a TCE speaker! (He also uses personal
"that").
--
Ross Howard
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Okay, I'm going to feel stupid after I read the response to this post,
but I have to ask. If "Stepped foot in" is the eggcorn, then what
should it actually be? I'm pretty sure that's how I've always
heard/read it (though I do live in Redneck Country). I have restricted
internet access here at work, so I can't check the database myself.
-- Nate |
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mUs1Ka
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:26 pm
Post subject: Re: The Eggcornin' Bob Dylan |
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Harvey Van Sickle wrote:
| Quote: | On 04 Nov 2005, Ross Howard wrote
I've just started to read *Chronicles*, Bob Dylan's
autobiography, and -- apart from some annoyingly lax
copy-editing -- it's a great read.
I did come across this, though.
I had stopped going down to the Café Wha? in the
afternoons. Never stepped foot in there again.
"Stepped foot in"? I checked with the Eggcorn Database and,
yes, there it is (entered by Ben Zimmer).
"Never stepped foot in there again" sounds entirely idiomatic to me
-- regional, but I can't see which word has replaced a correct one.
So which word is the eggcorned one? (I couldn't find it in the
Eggcorn Database under "stepped", "foot", or "stepped foot in".)
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I would say thet the idiomatic phrase would be, "Never set foot in there
again".
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Ray.
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Jim Lawton
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:35 pm
Post subject: Re: The Eggcornin' Bob Dylan |
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:54:50 +0100, Ross Howard <gguiri@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I've just started to read *Chronicles*, Bob Dylan's autobiography, and
-- apart from some annoyingly lax copy-editing -- it's a great read.
I did come across this, though.
I had stopped going down to the Café Wha? in the afternoons.
Never stepped foot in there again.
"Stepped foot in"? I checked with the Eggcorn Database and, yes, there
it is (entered by Ben Zimmer).
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Zimmer? Zimmerman? - I think we should be told.
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Wow, whodathought -- Bob Dylan's a TCE speaker! (He also uses personal
"that").
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Jim
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Ross Howard
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:38 pm
Post subject: Re: The Eggcornin' Bob Dylan |
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:26:56 GMT, "mUs1Ka" <mUs1Ka@NOSPAMexcite.com>
wrought:
| Quote: | Harvey Van Sickle wrote:
On 04 Nov 2005, Ross Howard wrote
I've just started to read *Chronicles*, Bob Dylan's
autobiography, and -- apart from some annoyingly lax
copy-editing -- it's a great read.
I did come across this, though.
I had stopped going down to the Café Wha? in the
afternoons. Never stepped foot in there again.
"Stepped foot in"? I checked with the Eggcorn Database and,
yes, there it is (entered by Ben Zimmer).
"Never stepped foot in there again" sounds entirely idiomatic to me
-- regional, but I can't see which word has replaced a correct one.
So which word is the eggcorned one? (I couldn't find it in the
Eggcorn Database under "stepped", "foot", or "stepped foot in".)
I would say thet the idiomatic phrase would be, "Never set foot in there
again".
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Yes, and Google agrees (with a general Google ratio of about 15:1).
You can certainly see where this classic eggcorn came from. I say
classic, because it pleasingly manages to make a bit more sense than
the original version that it mangles -- we do indeed step into places
with our feet, whereas we seldom if ever "set" them anywhere. But an
eggcorn it is; "step" isn't transitively in this way anywhere else, is
it?
Oh, and Harvey, here's the relevant entry in the Database:
http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/index.php?s=step+foot&submit=Search
(Scroll down; it's the second entry on that page.)
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Nate Branscom
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:40 pm
Post subject: Re: The Eggcornin' Bob Dylan |
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mUs1Ka wrote:
| Quote: | Harvey Van Sickle wrote:
On 04 Nov 2005, Ross Howard wrote
I've just started to read *Chronicles*, Bob Dylan's
autobiography, and -- apart from some annoyingly lax
copy-editing -- it's a great read.
I did come across this, though.
I had stopped going down to the Café Wha? in the
afternoons. Never stepped foot in there again.
"Stepped foot in"? I checked with the Eggcorn Database and,
yes, there it is (entered by Ben Zimmer).
"Never stepped foot in there again" sounds entirely idiomatic to me
-- regional, but I can't see which word has replaced a correct one.
So which word is the eggcorned one? (I couldn't find it in the
Eggcorn Database under "stepped", "foot", or "stepped foot in".)
I would say thet the idiomatic phrase would be, "Never set foot in there
again".
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Hmm, that does ring a bell, though I can't remember which of the two
I've used. It may, very well, be both.
Google hits for "Never set foot"-----------48,300,000
Google hits for "Never stepped foot"----6,840,000
Well, I just don't know anymore!
-- Nate |
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Ross Howard
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:43 pm
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On 4 Nov 2005 00:11:28 -0800, "Nate Branscom" <the_n8ball@hotmail.com>
wrought:
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Ross Howard wrote:
I've just started to read *Chronicles*, Bob Dylan's autobiography, and
-- apart from some annoyingly lax copy-editing -- it's a great read.
I did come across this, though.
I had stopped going down to the Café Wha? in the afternoons.
Never stepped foot in there again.
"Stepped foot in"? I checked with the Eggcorn Database and, yes, there
it is (entered by Ben Zimmer).
Wow, whodathought -- Bob Dylan's a TCE speaker! (He also uses personal
"that").
Okay, I'm going to feel stupid after I read the response to this post,
but I have to ask. If "Stepped foot in" is the eggcorn, then what
should it actually be? I'm pretty sure that's how I've always
heard/read it (though I do live in Redneck Country). I have restricted
internet access here at work, so I can't check the database myself.
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It's usually "set foot in" somewhere (almost always used with "never"
or "the first time").
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Chris Waigl
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:49 pm
Post subject: Re: The Eggcornin' Bob Dylan |
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:11:19 +0000, Harvey Van Sickle wrote:
| Quote: | On 04 Nov 2005, Ross Howard wrote
I've just started to read *Chronicles*, Bob Dylan's
autobiography, and -- apart from some annoyingly lax
copy-editing -- it's a great read.
I did come across this, though.
I had stopped going down to the Café Wha? in the
afternoons. Never stepped foot in there again.
"Stepped foot in"? I checked with the Eggcorn Database and,
yes, there it is (entered by Ben Zimmer).
"Never stepped foot in there again" sounds entirely idiomatic to me
-- regional, but I can't see which word has replaced a correct one.
So which word is the eggcorned one? (I couldn't find it in the
Eggcorn Database under "stepped", "foot", or "stepped foot in".)
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<http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/english/101/step-foot/>
It just happens that none of Ben's examples are in the past tense.
I've also read a discussion on a LiveJournal (I have to find it again)
where two people, one Scottish one from Arizona (I think) claimed that
"step foot" for "set foot" was entirely informal idiomatic for them.
Could we have chapter and verse (page number, edition, year) for the Dylan
Chronicles? I'd like to add the cite to the database.
Chris Waigl
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eggcorns: http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/ |
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Ross Howard
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:51 pm
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:49:45 +0100, Chris Waigl <cwaigl@free.fr>
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| Quote: | On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:11:19 +0000, Harvey Van Sickle wrote:
On 04 Nov 2005, Ross Howard wrote
I've just started to read *Chronicles*, Bob Dylan's
autobiography, and -- apart from some annoyingly lax
copy-editing -- it's a great read.
I did come across this, though.
I had stopped going down to the Café Wha? in the
afternoons. Never stepped foot in there again.
"Stepped foot in"? I checked with the Eggcorn Database and,
yes, there it is (entered by Ben Zimmer).
"Never stepped foot in there again" sounds entirely idiomatic to me
-- regional, but I can't see which word has replaced a correct one.
So which word is the eggcorned one? (I couldn't find it in the
Eggcorn Database under "stepped", "foot", or "stepped foot in".)
http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/english/101/step-foot/
It just happens that none of Ben's examples are in the past tense.
I've also read a discussion on a LiveJournal (I have to find it again)
where two people, one Scottish one from Arizona (I think) claimed that
"step foot" for "set foot" was entirely informal idiomatic for them.
Could we have chapter and verse (page number, edition, year) for the Dylan
Chronicles? I'd like to add the cite to the database.
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Sure thing:
Bob Dylan: *Chronicles (Volume One*), Simon & Shuster
(paperback edition), 2004, chapter 1, p. 18.
And the whole first chapter -- including "stepped foot" -- is online
here:
www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4080202
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Ross Howard
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:55 pm
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:51:41 +0100, Ross Howard <gguiri@yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | Bob Dylan: *Chronicles (Volume One*), Simon & Shuster
(paperback edition), 2004, chapter 1, p. 18.
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Oops. Typo correction and further tweak, just in case the US paperback
is paged differently:
Bob Dylan: *Chronicles (Volume One*), Pocket Books (Simon &
Schuster UK), 2004, chapter 1, p. 18.
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Ross Howard |
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Ross Howard
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:01 pm
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:07:27 +0000, Charles Riggs <chriggs@éircom.net>
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| Quote: | On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:54:50 +0100, Ross Howard <gguiri@yahoo.com
wrote:
I've just started to read *Chronicles*, Bob Dylan's autobiography, and
-- apart from some annoyingly lax copy-editing -- it's a great read.
I did come across this, though.
I had stopped going down to the Café Wha? in the afternoons.
Never stepped foot in there again.
"Stepped foot in"? I checked with the Eggcorn Database and, yes, there
it is (entered by Ben Zimmer).
Wow, whodathought -- Bob Dylan's a TCE speaker! (He also uses personal
"that").
Do you have an example of where TC wrote "stepped foot in"? I suspect
it is an American Westernism, not a Cooperism.
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Not directly, no, but this appeared in an exchange between TC and one
"Holly" in soc.culture.irish and he didn't Oy! it (not that he does
much Oy!ing even here):
It brings a tear to me eye. I don't believe I can ever step
foot in Ireland again.
TC, do you know where Holly is from?
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Chris Waigl
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:13 pm
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:55:20 +0100, Ross Howard wrote:
| Quote: | Oops. Typo correction and further tweak, just in case the US paperback
is paged differently:
Bob Dylan: *Chronicles (Volume One*), Pocket Books (Simon &
Schuster UK), 2004, chapter 1, p. 18.
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Many thanks. Posted with attribution for the cite. Hope Ben doesn't mind
that I edited his entry.
Chris Waigl
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blog: http://serendipity.lascribe.net/
eggcorns: http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/ |
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Ben Zimmer
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:52 pm
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Chris Waigl wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:55:20 +0100, Ross Howard wrote:
Oops. Typo correction and further tweak, just in case the US paperback
is paged differently:
Bob Dylan: *Chronicles (Volume One*), Pocket Books (Simon &
Schuster UK), 2004, chapter 1, p. 18.
Many thanks. Posted with attribution for the cite. Hope Ben doesn't mind
that I edited his entry.
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Not at all. I'm pleased to see another Dylan eggcorn in the database, to
accompany the one that appears in "Ballad in Plain D":
"The constant scrapegoat, she was easily undone
By the jealousy of others around her." |
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