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Djurdja
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:45 pm
Post subject: subordinate clauses |
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I need somebody to help me determine the function and type of subordinate
slauses. Can you please help me learn this? I have trouble determening the
function of these sentences:
I never know where to put my coat.
FUNCTION:?
TYPE: adverbial clause of place?
What we all need is a spell of warm sunshine.
FUNCTION:?
TYPE:?
Dazed that she was, she managed to explain how it had happened.
FUNCTION:
TYPE:adverbial clause of concession
The workers are ready to go on strike.
FUNCTION:complement of adjective
TYPE:nominal clause
The ideas presented in the book are interesting.
FUNCTION:?
TYPE:adjective clause?
Now that she knows the truth, she will act differently.
FUNCTION:
TYPE:adverbial clause of time
She came early, so that she help him packing.
FUNCTION:
TYPE:adverbial clause of result
They left earlier for fear they would meet him.
FUNCTION:
TYPE:adverbial clause of purpose |
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Will
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:10 pm
Post subject: Re: subordinate clauses |
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Djurdja wrote:
| Quote: | I need somebody to help me determine the function and type of subordinate
slauses. Can you please help me learn this? I have trouble determening the
function of these sentences:
[...] |
What with Djudja and FireRose, this is turning into alt.do.my.homework
Will. |
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Djurdja
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:16 am
Post subject: Re: subordinate clauses |
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"Will" <billrigby@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Djurdja wrote:
I need somebody to help me determine the function and type of
subordinate
slauses. Can you please help me learn this? I have trouble determening
the
function of these sentences:
[...]
What with Djudja and FireRose, this is turning into alt.do.my.homework
Will.
This is not my homework, Will. You are being rude. |
I graduated from college a long time ago. I'm a foreign speaker of English,
trying to get better. |
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:21 am
Post subject: Re: subordinate clauses |
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"Djurdja" <sanja1e@hotmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | "Will" <billrigby@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129129834.325035.159300@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Djurdja wrote:
I need somebody to help me determine the function and type of
subordinate slauses. Can you please help me learn this? I have
trouble determening the function of these sentences:
[...]
What with Djudja and FireRose, this is turning into
alt.do.my.homework
This is not my homework, Will. You are being rude. I graduated from
college a long time ago. I'm a foreign speaker of English, trying to
get better.
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I think that the problem is the way that the questions are being
phrased. There's a big difference between "What does this mean?" or
"When would this be used?" and "What is the technical name for these
words in this sentence?" The first are reasonable questions from a
non-native speaker and, unless they are construction that are
trivially answerable by using a dictionary, are ones that will get
good answers and spark interesting discussion.
The last is something that a native speaker would only expect to find
on a homework exercise. And when we see long lists of them (your post
had eight, seemingly unrelated) it really looks as though someone is
asking us to do their homework for them.
--
Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
HP Laboratories |This case--and I must be careful
1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |not to fall into Spooner's trap
Palo Alto, CA 94304 |here--concerns a group of warring
|bankers.
kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com
(650)857-7572
http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:38 pm
Post subject: Re: subordinate clauses |
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:21:05 -0700, Evan Kirshenbaum
<kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Djurdja" <sanja1e@hotmail.com> writes:
"Will" <billrigby@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129129834.325035.159300@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Djurdja wrote:
I need somebody to help me determine the function and type of
subordinate slauses. Can you please help me learn this? I have
trouble determening the function of these sentences:
[...]
What with Djudja and FireRose, this is turning into
alt.do.my.homework
This is not my homework, Will. You are being rude. I graduated from
college a long time ago. I'm a foreign speaker of English, trying to
get better.
I think that the problem is the way that the questions are being
phrased. There's a big difference between "What does this mean?" or
"When would this be used?" and "What is the technical name for these
words in this sentence?" The first are reasonable questions from a
non-native speaker and, unless they are construction that are
trivially answerable by using a dictionary, are ones that will get
good answers and spark interesting discussion.
The last is something that a native speaker would only expect to find
on a homework exercise. And when we see long lists of them (your post
had eight, seemingly unrelated) it really looks as though someone is
asking us to do their homework for them.
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Perhaps the FAQ should enumerate the acceptable ways of asking
questions of AUE members, if it doesn't do so already.
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Charles Riggs |
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Richard Bollard
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:06 am
Post subject: Re: subordinate clauses |
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:38:10 +0100, Charles Riggs <chriggs@éircom.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:21:05 -0700, Evan Kirshenbaum
kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> wrote:
"Djurdja" <sanja1e@hotmail.com> writes:
"Will" <billrigby@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129129834.325035.159300@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Djurdja wrote:
I need somebody to help me determine the function and type of
subordinate slauses. Can you please help me learn this? I have
trouble determening the function of these sentences:
[...]
What with Djudja and FireRose, this is turning into
alt.do.my.homework
This is not my homework, Will. You are being rude. I graduated from
college a long time ago. I'm a foreign speaker of English, trying to
get better.
I think that the problem is the way that the questions are being
phrased. There's a big difference between "What does this mean?" or
"When would this be used?" and "What is the technical name for these
words in this sentence?" The first are reasonable questions from a
non-native speaker and, unless they are construction that are
trivially answerable by using a dictionary, are ones that will get
good answers and spark interesting discussion.
The last is something that a native speaker would only expect to find
on a homework exercise. And when we see long lists of them (your post
had eight, seemingly unrelated) it really looks as though someone is
asking us to do their homework for them.
Perhaps the FAQ should enumerate the acceptable ways of asking
questions of AUE members, if it doesn't do so already.
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And, as I asked elsewhere, why should homework be off limits? The
provenance of a question is not as important as what we can make of
the question.
Many posters seem to go out of their way to ask students not to ask
for help with their homework. If it bothers them so much, why not skip
the questions? (And don't anyone go on about volume of messages, there
are many greater causes of noise in groups like this.)
--
Richard Bollard
Canberra Australia
To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT. |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:07 am
Post subject: Re: subordinate clauses |
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:01:07 +1000, Richard Bollard
<richardb@spamt.edu.au> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:38:10 +0100, Charles Riggs <chriggs@éircom.net
wrote:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:21:05 -0700, Evan Kirshenbaum
kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> wrote:
"Djurdja" <sanja1e@hotmail.com> writes:
"Will" <billrigby@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129129834.325035.159300@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Djurdja wrote:
I need somebody to help me determine the function and type of
subordinate slauses. Can you please help me learn this? I have
trouble determening the function of these sentences:
[...]
What with Djudja and FireRose, this is turning into
alt.do.my.homework
This is not my homework, Will. You are being rude. I graduated from
college a long time ago. I'm a foreign speaker of English, trying to
get better.
I think that the problem is the way that the questions are being
phrased. There's a big difference between "What does this mean?" or
"When would this be used?" and "What is the technical name for these
words in this sentence?" The first are reasonable questions from a
non-native speaker and, unless they are construction that are
trivially answerable by using a dictionary, are ones that will get
good answers and spark interesting discussion.
The last is something that a native speaker would only expect to find
on a homework exercise. And when we see long lists of them (your post
had eight, seemingly unrelated) it really looks as though someone is
asking us to do their homework for them.
Perhaps the FAQ should enumerate the acceptable ways of asking
questions of AUE members, if it doesn't do so already.
And, as I asked elsewhere, why should homework be off limits? The
provenance of a question is not as important as what we can make of
the question.
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Yup. I never worry myself over someone's motivation for asking a
question. I don't feel that's any of my business.
| Quote: | Many posters seem to go out of their way to ask students not to ask
for help with their homework. If it bothers them so much, why not skip
the questions?
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Exactly, Richard. It's an attitude a number of AUE members have that
I've never understood.
| Quote: | (And don't anyone go on about volume of messages, there
are many greater causes of noise in groups like this.)
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Charles Riggs |
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:29 pm
Post subject: Re: subordinate clauses |
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Richard Bollard <richardb@spamt.edu.au> writes:
| Quote: | And, as I asked elsewhere, why should homework be off limits?
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Because it's intellectually dishonest to ask someone to do your
homework for you or to do someone's homework for them.
| Quote: | The provenance of a question is not as important as what we can make
of the question.
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It's not the provenance so much as the intent. "This question came
from a homework assignment, and I don't understand why the answer is
A" is fine. "Here's are 10 homework problems; they're due Friday" is
not. Even with that, "I think that the answer is B; am I right?" or
"I can't decide between B and C" or even "None of these answers seem
right. Is there a problem with the question or do I just not
understand how this works?" are reasonable questions.
| Quote: | Many posters seem to go out of their way to ask students not to ask
for help with their homework. If it bothers them so much, why not
skip the questions? (And don't anyone go on about volume of
messages, there are many greater causes of noise in groups like
this.)
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There may be greater causes of noise, but there are few potential
greater *sources* of noise. Should AUE get a reputation (as in, get
written up on web sites or blogs) as a place where they'll do your
homework for you to the extend that "only" a few hundred people a day
decide to try to use it that way, the group will be effectively dead.
--
Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
HP Laboratories |Sometimes I think the surest sign
1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |that intelligent life exists
Palo Alto, CA 94304 |elsewhere in the universe is that
|none of it has tried to contact us.
kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com | Calvin
(650)857-7572
http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ |
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