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keithbc
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:08 am
Post subject: YOU AND I |
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Today, I heard a radio presenter use the phrase ' you and I'. A caller
rang in and chastised him saying he should be saying ' you and me'. I
thought that 'you and I was' gramatically correct. Please advise.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:13 am
Post subject: Re: YOU AND I |
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As subject:
"You and I should go to the ball game."
As object:
"The police want to arrest you and me."
To test: remove the "you and" in each case and confirm that it sounds
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Lars Eighner
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:18 am
Post subject: Re: YOU AND I |
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In our last episode,
<1131646088.251180.177480@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented keithbc broadcast on alt.usage.english:
| Quote: | Today, I heard a radio presenter use the phrase ' you and I'. A caller
rang in and chastised him saying he should be saying ' you and me'. I
thought that 'you and I was' gramatically correct. Please advise.
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"You and I was" is never correct. Because the subject is
plural, it should be "you and I were." It should be "you and
I" when the subject, and "you and me" when an object. The
issue nowadays among native speakers is that many people
use "you and I" as an object. *"May me and Timmy go to the
park?" is a child's error, and perhaps overcorrection of this
error leads some people to think it should be "you and I" in
all circumstances. Obviously, a certain amount of context
is necessary to say which was correct on the radio programme.
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Lars Eighner usenet@larseighner.com http://www.larseighner.com/
I shall not waste my days in trying to prolong them. I shall use my time.
--Jack London
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Don Phillipson
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:46 am
Post subject: Re: YOU AND I |
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"keithbc" <keithbcook@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1131646088.251180.177480@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Today, I heard a radio presenter use the phrase ' you and I'. A caller
rang in and chastised him saying he should be saying ' you and me'. I
thought that 'you and I was' gramatically correct. Please advise.
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You have misunderstood the general point.
Only sentences can be grammatically right or wrong.
"You and I" and "you and me" are both strings of words,
not complete sentences. The sentence:
"You and me are going to XYZ" would be wrong, and
"You and I are going to XYZ" would be right: but
grammar does not apply to two words joined by "and."
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Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
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TakenEvent
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:48 am
Post subject: Re: YOU AND I |
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"Lars Eighner" <usenet@larseighner.com> wrote in message
news:slrndn73pn.mb4.usenet@goodwill.io.com...
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In our last episode,
1131646088.251180.177480@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented keithbc broadcast on alt.usage.english:
Today, I heard a radio presenter use the phrase ' you and I'. A caller
rang in and chastised him saying he should be saying ' you and me'. I
thought that 'you and I was' gramatically correct. Please advise.
"You and I was" is never correct. Because the subject is
plural, it should be "you and I were." It should be "you and
I" when the subject, and "you and me" when an object. The
issue nowadays among native speakers is that many people
use "you and I" as an object. *"May me and Timmy go to the
park?" is a child's error, and perhaps overcorrection of this
error leads some people to think it should be "you and I" in
all circumstances. Obviously, a certain amount of context
is necessary to say which was correct on the radio programme.
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He meant "...'you and I' was..." It was a case of a misplaced apostrophe,
not a question of grammar. I think this is a case of <'you and I' was>
being correct grammar, as 'was' is referencing a single phrase. |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:21 am
Post subject: Re: YOU AND I |
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<larrysulky@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | As subject:
"You and I should go to the ball game."
As object:
"The police want to arrest you and me."
To test: remove the "you and" in each case and confirm that it sounds
right.
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That test works for everything except "between you and I/me." Take out
the "you and" and it's meaningless.
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Best -- Donna Richoux |
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The Grammer Genious
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:48 am
Post subject: Re: YOU AND I |
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Don Phillipson <d.phillipson@ttrryytteell.com> wrote
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grammar does not apply to two words joined by "and."
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Unless it is the presence of the word "and" which determines the pronoun's
form. Which it does, in the grammars of those persons who say things like
"It's easy for you and I to get along." |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:06 am
Post subject: Re: YOU AND I |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:21:21 +0100, trio@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux)
wrote:
| Quote: | larrysulky@gmail.com> wrote:
As subject:
"You and I should go to the ball game."
As object:
"The police want to arrest you and me."
To test: remove the "you and" in each case and confirm that it sounds
right.
That test works for everything except "between you and I/me." Take out
the "you and" and it's meaningless.
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Morvyl
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:26 pm
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"That test works for everything except "between you and I/me." Take out
the "you and" and it's meaningless.
Best -- Donna Richoux"
<between> takes the object form. Try saying: "Between him and her" - both pronouns are in their object form. To say "between he and she" sounds odd to the native ear. By analogy you cans use the object form "me" when saying: "between you an me".
"You" doesn't really help because "you" is both subject and object form.
Many people nowadays say "between you and I" because they were indoctrinated in school that "you and me" is incorrect.
Dan |
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