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meirman
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:38 am
Post subject: Saturday night: Mourners are gathered in St. Peter's square; |
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The news Saturday iirc night:
Mourners are gathered in St. Peter's square. Meanwhile the Pope holds
on to life. Mourners have gathered in St. Peter's Square since this
morning.
I guess I should not attempt to visit my uncle when he is sick or I'll
become a mourner.
s/ meirman
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A. Epple
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Saturday night: Mourners are gathered in St. Peter's squ |
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meirman wrote:
| Quote: | The news Saturday iirc night:
Mourners are gathered in St. Peter's square. Meanwhile the Pope holds
on to life. Mourners have gathered in St. Peter's Square since this
morning.
I guess I should not attempt to visit my uncle when he is sick or I'll
become a mourner.
s/ meirman
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spot-on! |
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Joanne Marinelli
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:51 pm
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"meirman" <meirman@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:fq5351tqppgrhudbmiqne0hn2o1so5rcb3@4ax.com...
| Quote: | The news Saturday iirc night:
Mourners are gathered in St. Peter's square. Meanwhile the Pope holds
on to life. Mourners have gathered in St. Peter's Square since this
morning.
I do not have a problem with designating the crowds in such a manner. I too |
grieved while the Holy Father lingered. He was Pope throughout the most
dynamic segment of my life, even as I drifted away from faith in the
doctrine. I'm still Catholic enough that I resent the Usenet culture of
irreverence. Thanks meirman.
Joanne |
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John Swindle
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:51 am
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"meirman" <meirman@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:fq5351tqppgrhudbmiqne0hn2o1so5rcb3@4ax.com...
| Quote: | The news Saturday iirc night:
Mourners are gathered in St. Peter's square. Meanwhile the Pope holds
on to life. Mourners have gathered in St. Peter's Square since this
morning.
I guess I should not attempt to visit my uncle when he is sick or I'll
become a mourner.
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In USA Delta Airlines provides bereavement fares on favorable
terms (notably, with open return) when a family member has
died or is critically ill. It always struck me as a little odd, but I've
been more grateful for the courtesy than troubled by the usage. |
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Robert Lieblich
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:17 am
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"A. Epple" wrote:
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meirman wrote:
The news Saturday iirc night:
Mourners are gathered in St. Peter's square. Meanwhile the Pope holds
on to life. Mourners have gathered in St. Peter's Square since this
morning.
I guess I should not attempt to visit my uncle when he is sick or I'll
become a mourner.
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Are you perhaps Typhoid Meirman?
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spot-on!
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Aha! Smallpox.
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meirman
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:03 am
Post subject: Re: Saturday night: Mourners are gathered in St. Peter's squ |
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In alt.english.usage on Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:51:34 GMT "John Swindle"
<jcswindle@msn.deletethispart.com> posted:
| Quote: | "meirman" <meirman@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:fq5351tqppgrhudbmiqne0hn2o1so5rcb3@4ax.com...
The news Saturday iirc night:
Mourners are gathered in St. Peter's square. Meanwhile the Pope holds
on to life. Mourners have gathered in St. Peter's Square since this
morning.
I guess I should not attempt to visit my uncle when he is sick or I'll
become a mourner.
In USA Delta Airlines provides bereavement fares on favorable
terms (notably, with open return) when a family member has
died or is critically ill. It always struck me as a little odd, but I've
been more grateful for the courtesy than troubled by the usage.
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Please don't take it personally that my answer here is so long.
You're just the last poster in the thread so far. Although parts of
this are directly related to your post.
I'm not going to criticize the airline for not having a
pre-bereavement fare and a bereavement fare. Or for not naming it
hospital-funeral-visit fare. They need something concise, and two
names for similar things could be confusing.
I think all airlines, at least in the US, have bereavement fares,
unless they already don't charge more for tickets bought the same day
as one flies. The bereavement fare is iirc the lowest normally
charged fare, for those who make reservations well in advance. Except
they don't have an "in advance" requirement.**
But news stories are supposed to be written to order, making use of
the entire vocabulary as appropriate. I don't mind that people
arrived when they did and most or all probably expected to be mourners
rather soon. But afaic, unless something in Catholicism says
otherwise, it is the rules of English that apply, and aiui they are
not mourners in this situation until the Pope has died. Especially
when all the news reports also said how hopeful the people in the
crowd were. Now I don't think that means they thought he would make a
big recovery, but it means their thoughts had not turned to mourning.
**Not Delta Airlines, I forget which one, but when I went with my
mother, a"h, to take her home for her funeral, I had a bereavement
fare. On the way back, two days later, they said that I could not
make a reservation for the flight I wanted because there were no more
bereavement spaces on that plane. Now, how many bereeavement spaces
ewere there on the plane to begin with? I wondered. How many others
on the plane had bereavement fares. Eventually I gleaned that they
were counting all the seats that they had been willing to sell in
advance at a very low price, and considering them as possible
bereavement seats. Either they were all sold or it was too late to
make reservations at that fare. (This was on the way home. AFAIK,
they didn't have any rules about the way there, to the funeral,
although it was the funeral home that made the reservation.) And they
didn't object to my flying standby, which I did, and I got a seat with
no trouble. There were still empty seats.
s/ meirman
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John Holmes
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:12 pm
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meirman wrote:
| Quote: | The news Saturday iirc night:
Mourners are gathered in St. Peter's square. Meanwhile the Pope holds
on to life. Mourners have gathered in St. Peter's Square since this
morning.
I guess I should not attempt to visit my uncle when he is sick or I'll
become a mourner.
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Now, a week later and following the funeral, the news reports say the
church has just _begun_ a period of nine days of mourning. Does that
imply that you can't mourn until after the funeral? What has everyone
been doing for the last several days?
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John
for mail: my initials plus a u e
at tpg dot com dot au |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 4:50 am
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On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 20:12:50 +1000, "John Holmes" <see sig> wrote:
| Quote: | meirman wrote:
The news Saturday iirc night:
Mourners are gathered in St. Peter's square. Meanwhile the Pope holds
on to life. Mourners have gathered in St. Peter's Square since this
morning.
I guess I should not attempt to visit my uncle when he is sick or I'll
become a mourner.
Now, a week later and following the funeral, the news reports say the
church has just _begun_ a period of nine days of mourning. Does that
imply that you can't mourn until after the funeral? What has everyone
been doing for the last several days?
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I would imagine that the mourning being referred to is the official,
or designated, period of mourning. Early arrivals are allowed, but
they can't stop early.
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Tony Cooper
Orlando FL |
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