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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:10 am
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I had a couple of amusing moments earlier today, which some of you might
fund equally amusing.
The first:
"He's on the lowest rung of the pecking order." (Heard from my husband.
My accusation that he was mixing metaphors didn't bother him in the
least.)
The second one takes some explanation. My grandson told me today that he
has Monday off from school. I asked him if he knew why, and he said no.
So I told him that Monday is Martin Luther King day (which it is, in the
US). The name was unfamiliar to him, obviously, because he asked:
"What do they do? Go to all the farms and find the loudest rooster and
make him king?"
Well, "Luther" can sound like "rooster" to someone seven years old who's
never heard "Luther," right? I don't know what he made of "Martin."
Maria Conlon
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:10 am
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don groves wrote:
| Quote: | Maria Conlon hath writ:
I had a couple of amusing moments earlier today, which some of you
might fund equally amusing.
The first:
"He's on the lowest rung of the pecking order." (Heard from my
husband. My accusation that he was mixing metaphors didn't bother
him in the least.)
The second one takes some explanation. My grandson told me today
that he has Monday off from school. I asked him if he knew why, and
he said no. So I told him that Monday is Martin Luther King day
(which it is, in the US). The name was unfamiliar to him, obviously,
because he asked:
"What do they do? Go to all the farms and find the loudest rooster
and make him king?"
Well, "Luther" can sound like "rooster" to someone seven years old
who's never heard "Luther," right? I don't know what he made of
"Martin."
He must'a heard "Martin" as "Make a". What's your accent like
again, Maria?
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I don't think it can be described as anything that would make "Martin"
sound like "make a." (My theory is that he didn't really hear the
"Martin" part. That, or he heard it as "marked" or "marking."
Maria Conlon |
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don groves
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:10 am
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In article <34u58gF4de313U1@individual.net>, Maria Conlon at
mariaconlon001@hotmail.com hath writ:
| Quote: | I had a couple of amusing moments earlier today, which some of you might
fund equally amusing.
The first:
"He's on the lowest rung of the pecking order." (Heard from my husband.
My accusation that he was mixing metaphors didn't bother him in the
least.)
The second one takes some explanation. My grandson told me today that he
has Monday off from school. I asked him if he knew why, and he said no.
So I told him that Monday is Martin Luther King day (which it is, in the
US). The name was unfamiliar to him, obviously, because he asked:
"What do they do? Go to all the farms and find the loudest rooster and
make him king?"
Well, "Luther" can sound like "rooster" to someone seven years old who's
never heard "Luther," right? I don't know what he made of "Martin."
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He must'a heard "Martin" as "Make a". What's your accent like
again, Maria?
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R J Valentine
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:12 am
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:54:12 -0500 Maria Conlon <mariaconlon001@hotmail.com> wrote:
} don groves wrote:
}> Maria Conlon hath writ:
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}>> The second one takes some explanation. My grandson told me today
}>> that he has Monday off from school. I asked him if he knew why, and
}>> he said no. So I told him that Monday is Martin Luther King day
}>> (which it is, in the US). The name was unfamiliar to him, obviously,
}>> because he asked:
}>>
}>> "What do they do? Go to all the farms and find the loudest rooster
}>> and make him king?"
}>>
}>> Well, "Luther" can sound like "rooster" to someone seven years old
}>> who's never heard "Luther," right? I don't know what he made of
}>> "Martin."
}
}> He must'a heard "Martin" as "Make a". What's your accent like
}> again, Maria?
}
} I don't think it can be described as anything that would make "Martin"
} sound like "make a." (My theory is that he didn't really hear the
} "Martin" part. That, or he heard it as "marked" or "marking."
Sounds like he heard "Make a rooster king day". How else would you
explain his response? Not hearing "Martin" or hearing it as "marked" or
"marking" doesn't outcut Ockham. Are you non-rhotic, by any chance?
You could ask him.
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R. J. Valentine <rj@smart.net>
Anyone who can hear "Luther" as "rooster" can hear "Martin" as "make", I
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:12 am
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Maria Conlon filted:
| Quote: |
I had a couple of amusing moments earlier today, which some of you might
fund equally amusing.
The first:
"He's on the lowest rung of the pecking order." (Heard from my husband.
My accusation that he was mixing metaphors didn't bother him in the
least.)
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Someone like that often ends up in a place where the hand of man has never set
foot....
| Quote: | The second one takes some explanation. My grandson told me today that he
has Monday off from school. I asked him if he knew why, and he said no.
So I told him that Monday is Martin Luther King day (which it is, in the
US). The name was unfamiliar to him, obviously, because he asked:
"What do they do? Go to all the farms and find the loudest rooster and
make him king?"
Well, "Luther" can sound like "rooster" to someone seven years old who's
never heard "Luther," right? I don't know what he made of "Martin."
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Never heard Luther?...get this kid a Superman comic book, pronto!...
The correct name of the holiday, of course, is "Slain Civil RIghts Leader The
Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Junior Day (observed)"...we call it "MLK" Day
for short, from the Semitic root for "king"....r |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:03 pm
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Maria Conlon <mariaconlon001@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I had a couple of amusing moments earlier today, which some of you might
fund equally amusing.
The first:
"He's on the lowest rung of the pecking order." (Heard from my husband.
My accusation that he was mixing metaphors didn't bother him in the
least.)
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Maybe because "rung" is regularly used metaphorically. M-W:
4 : a level in a hierarchy <rise a few rungs on the
social scale -- H. W. Van Loon>
It says that "rung" and "rank" may *perhaps* be akin through Old English
hring.
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:42 am
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R J Valentine wrote:
| Quote: | Maria Conlon wrote:
} don groves wrote:
}> Maria Conlon hath writ:
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}>> The second one takes some explanation. My grandson told me today
}>> that he has Monday off from school. I asked him if he knew why,
and }>> he said no. So I told him that Monday is Martin Luther King
day }>> (which it is, in the US). The name was unfamiliar to him,
obviously, }>> because he asked:
}
}>> "What do they do? Go to all the farms and find the loudest rooster
}>> and make him king?"
}
}>> Well, "Luther" can sound like "rooster" to someone seven years old
}>> who's never heard "Luther," right? I don't know what he made of
}>> "Martin."
}
}> He must'a heard "Martin" as "Make a". What's your accent like
}> again, Maria?
}
} I don't think it can be described as anything that would make
"Martin" } sound like "make a." (My theory is that he didn't really
hear the } "Martin" part. That, or he heard it as "marked" or
"marking."
Sounds like he heard "Make a rooster king day". How else would you
explain his response? Not hearing "Martin" or hearing it as "marked"
or "marking" doesn't outcut Ockham. Are you non-rhotic, by any
chance?
You could ask him.
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Ask him if I'm non-rhotic?
Anyway, no. I am not non-rhotic. And I probably won't ask him what he
heard when I said "Martin." Thinking about it now, I imagine he took it
as something "farm"-related once he had mentally absorbed "Luther" as
"rooster."
| Quote: | R. J. Valentine <rj@smart.net
Anyone who can hear "Luther" as "rooster" can hear "Martin" as
"make", I always say.
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I wouldn't say that at all. Consider the vowel sounds.
Maria Conlon |
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:09 am
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Donna Richoux wrote:
| Quote: | Maria Conlon wrote:
I had a couple of amusing moments earlier today, which some of you
might fund equally amusing.
The first:
"He's on the lowest rung of the pecking order." (Heard from my
husband. My accusation that he was mixing metaphors didn't bother
him in the least.)
Maybe because "rung" is regularly used metaphorically. M-W:
4 : a level in a hierarchy <rise a few rungs on the
social scale -- H. W. Van Loon
It says that "rung" and "rank" may *perhaps* be akin through Old
English hring.
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Even considering "hring" and "hrung," I still think it's a mixed
metaphor.
"He's pretty low in the pecking order" and "he's on the lowest rung [of
the ladder of success]" (the two metaphors I felt he mixed) may mean
similar things, but they are generally not put together -- not in
English usage as practiced by most people I hear.
Maria Conlon |
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:13 am
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R J Valentine filted:
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:42:49 -0500 Maria Conlon <mariaconlon001@hotmail.com
wrote:
} R J Valentine wrote:
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}> Anyone who can hear "Luther" as "rooster" can hear "Martin" as
}> "make", I always say.
}
} I wouldn't say that at all. Consider the vowel sounds.
Women hear vowel sounds; men hear consonant sounds.
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Women hear lyrics; men hear instrument solos....r |
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R J Valentine
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:14 am
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:42:49 -0500 Maria Conlon <mariaconlon001@hotmail.com> wrote:
} R J Valentine wrote:
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}> Anyone who can hear "Luther" as "rooster" can hear "Martin" as
}> "make", I always say.
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} I wouldn't say that at all. Consider the vowel sounds.
Women hear vowel sounds; men hear consonant sounds.
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R. J. Valentine <mailto:rj@smart.net> |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:46 am
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R H Draney wrote:
| Quote: | R J Valentine filted:
Maria Conlon wrote:
} R J Valentine wrote:
}> Anyone who can hear "Luther" as "rooster" can hear "Martin" as
}> "make", I always say.
}
} I wouldn't say that at all. Consider the vowel sounds.
Women hear vowel sounds; men hear consonant sounds.
Women hear lyrics; men hear instrument solos....r
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You know, except for songs sung by those who actually enunciate lyrics in an
understandable form, I have never even tried to figure out what most songs
are about. I just listen to the music, if there is any. That explains why
I don't like rap. I can't understand the words, and there ain't no music,
if you nowatamean. Sometimes I do watch the scantily-clad dancing girls,
though. All rappers should have those so there'd be some entertainment
value for us dirty old men.
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don groves
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:10 am
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In article <csi0s50jek@drn.newsguy.com>, R H Draney at
dadoctah@spamcop.net hath writ:
| Quote: | Skitt filted:
R H Draney wrote:
Women hear lyrics; men hear instrument solos....r
You know, except for songs sung by those who actually enunciate lyrics in an
understandable form, I have never even tried to figure out what most songs
are about. I just listen to the music, if there is any. That explains why
I don't like rap. I can't understand the words, and there ain't no music,
if you nowatamean. Sometimes I do watch the scantily-clad dancing girls,
though. All rappers should have those so there'd be some entertainment
value for us dirty old men.
As CyberCypher is well aware, I often listen to music with words I can't hope to
understand...I've noticed that some people, mostly female, find this exceedingly
odd, and become very annoyed when I play them selections that I find especially
interesting from a musical standpoint..."I don't know what they're singing!" is
the usual complaint, as if this is any different from their own Springsteen
fetishes....
It may be irrelevant, but the one woman who seems to share my interest in this
music is openly gay....r
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And openly intelligent it seems. There are so many things to be
aware of in music besides lyrics.
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R J Valentine
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:10 am
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On 17 Jan 2005 19:47:17 -0800 R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> wrote:
} Skitt filted:
}>
}>R H Draney wrote:
}>>
}>> Women hear lyrics; men hear instrument solos....r
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}>You know, except for songs sung by those who actually enunciate lyrics in an
}>understandable form, I have never even tried to figure out what most songs
}>are about. I just listen to the music, if there is any. That explains why
}>I don't like rap. I can't understand the words, and there ain't no music,
}>if you nowatamean. Sometimes I do watch the scantily-clad dancing girls,
}>though. All rappers should have those so there'd be some entertainment
}>value for us dirty old men.
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} As CyberCypher is well aware, I often listen to music with words I can't hope to
} understand...I've noticed that some people, mostly female, find this exceedingly
} odd, and become very annoyed when I play them selections that I find especially
} interesting from a musical standpoint..."I don't know what they're singing!" is
} the usual complaint, as if this is any different from their own Springsteen
} fetishes....
Then there's "Yes". Is that their name? Some of the youngsters will
know.
} It may be irrelevant, but the one woman who seems to share my interest in this
} music is openly gay....r
Is she CIC and MIMIM?
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R. J. Valentine <mailto:rj@smart.net> |
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:10 am
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Skitt filted:
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R H Draney wrote:
Women hear lyrics; men hear instrument solos....r
You know, except for songs sung by those who actually enunciate lyrics in an
understandable form, I have never even tried to figure out what most songs
are about. I just listen to the music, if there is any. That explains why
I don't like rap. I can't understand the words, and there ain't no music,
if you nowatamean. Sometimes I do watch the scantily-clad dancing girls,
though. All rappers should have those so there'd be some entertainment
value for us dirty old men.
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As CyberCypher is well aware, I often listen to music with words I can't hope to
understand...I've noticed that some people, mostly female, find this exceedingly
odd, and become very annoyed when I play them selections that I find especially
interesting from a musical standpoint..."I don't know what they're singing!" is
the usual complaint, as if this is any different from their own Springsteen
fetishes....
It may be irrelevant, but the one woman who seems to share my interest in this
music is openly gay....r |
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