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Jerry Friedman
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:48 pm
Post subject: Irony? |
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I saw this sticker on an SUV today:
JOHN KERRY...
Bringing complete sentences to the White House.
In my American understanding, that was ironic even before the
election.
(The other sticker on that vehicle was also an a.u.e. threadcheck.
"GIRLY MEN VOTE TOO!")
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Jerry Friedman
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Sh. Mandrake
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Irony? |
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the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Jerry Friedman typed thus:
I saw this sticker on an SUV today:
JOHN KERRY...
Bringing complete sentences to the White House.
In my American understanding, that was ironic even before the
election.
(The other sticker on that vehicle was also an a.u.e. threadcheck.
"GIRLY MEN VOTE TOO!")
Not really relevant, but I was amused by the bumper sticker seen by a
BBC reporter somewhere in the US South before the vote:
Jesus is coming. Look busy!
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I love the three of them (stickers)!
Thanks for sharing them with us.
I'm not sure I got the first one thouroughly.
What's the difference with it before and after the election?
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Hakuna matata,
Le magicien (Le magicien ne parle qu'en son nom personnel,
et encore, pas toujours.)
Pour le courrier/For emails : mandrake2@libertysurf.fr |
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Don A. Gilmore
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Irony? |
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"the Omrud" <usenet.omrud@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bfb01f1b36a89e098a9de@news.individual.net...
| Quote: | Not really relevant, but I was amused by the bumper sticker seen by a
BBC reporter somewhere in the US South before the vote:
Jesus is coming. Look busy!
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That's a common one. I also like, "Jesus loves you...everyone else thinks
you're an asshole".
Don
Kansas City
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Irony? |
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Jerry Friedman typed thus:
| Quote: | I saw this sticker on an SUV today:
JOHN KERRY...
Bringing complete sentences to the White House.
In my American understanding, that was ironic even before the
election.
(The other sticker on that vehicle was also an a.u.e. threadcheck.
"GIRLY MEN VOTE TOO!")
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Not really relevant, but I was amused by the bumper sticker seen by a
BBC reporter somewhere in the US South before the vote:
Jesus is coming. Look busy!
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David
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replace the first component of address
with the definite article. |
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John O'Flaherty
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:59 pm
Post subject: Re: Irony? |
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Jerry Friedman wrote:
| Quote: | I saw this sticker on an SUV today:
JOHN KERRY...
Bringing complete sentences to the White House.
In my American understanding, that was ironic even before the
election.
(The other sticker on that vehicle was also an a.u.e. threadcheck.
"GIRLY MEN VOTE TOO!")
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I see the first one as apt and witty, but not ironic. According to AHD,
the 'ironic' should have a contrast between apparent and intended
meaning, or an incongruity between expected and actual outcomes. Even
the modern usage to mean something like 'coincidental' isn't there.
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john |
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Bill Bonde ( ``And the La
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:59 pm
Post subject: Re: Irony? |
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John O'Flaherty wrote:
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Jerry Friedman wrote:
I saw this sticker on an SUV today:
JOHN KERRY...
Bringing complete sentences to the White House.
In my American understanding, that was ironic even before the
election.
(The other sticker on that vehicle was also an a.u.e. threadcheck.
"GIRLY MEN VOTE TOO!")
I see the first one as apt and witty, but not ironic. According to AHD,
the 'ironic' should have a contrast between apparent and intended
meaning, or an incongruity between expected and actual outcomes. Even
the modern usage to mean something like 'coincidental' isn't there.
The person has a bumper sticker saying that Kerry will bring complete |
sentences to the white house and the person isn't using a complete
sentence. Would it be irony if it were stuck on the limo Kerry was
taking to the White House on inauguration day, I mean pretending he won
the election?
--
The Republicans are going for the Dem jugular in 2008 with Pataki or
Giuliani for president, putting New York state in play, and Condi or
Colin for vice president, putting the black American vote into play. The
Dem response is to run Hillary. Hilarious. |
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John O'Flaherty
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:59 pm
Post subject: Re: Irony? |
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Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies down on Broadway'' ) wrote:
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John O'Flaherty wrote:
Jerry Friedman wrote:
I saw this sticker on an SUV today:
JOHN KERRY...
Bringing complete sentences to the White House.
In my American understanding, that was ironic even before the
election.
(The other sticker on that vehicle was also an a.u.e. threadcheck.
"GIRLY MEN VOTE TOO!")
I see the first one as apt and witty, but not ironic. According to AHD,
the 'ironic' should have a contrast between apparent and intended
meaning, or an incongruity between expected and actual outcomes. Even
the modern usage to mean something like 'coincidental' isn't there.
The person has a bumper sticker saying that Kerry will bring complete
sentences to the white house and the person isn't using a complete
sentence.
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I missed that aspect entirely. Oh well...
Would it be irony if it were stuck on the limo Kerry was
| Quote: | taking to the White House on inauguration day, I mean pretending he won
the election?
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john |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:54 am
Post subject: Re: Irony? |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:55:19 -0800, "Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies
down on Broadway'' )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote:
| Quote: | John O'Flaherty wrote:
Jerry Friedman wrote:
I saw this sticker on an SUV today:
JOHN KERRY...
Bringing complete sentences to the White House.
In my American understanding, that was ironic even before the
election.
(The other sticker on that vehicle was also an a.u.e. threadcheck.
"GIRLY MEN VOTE TOO!")
I see the first one as apt and witty, but not ironic. According to AHD,
the 'ironic' should have a contrast between apparent and intended
meaning, or an incongruity between expected and actual outcomes. Even
the modern usage to mean something like 'coincidental' isn't there.
The person has a bumper sticker saying that Kerry will bring complete
sentences to the white house and the person isn't using a complete
sentence. Would it be irony if it were stuck on the limo Kerry was
taking to the White House on inauguration day, I mean pretending he won
the election?
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Is this part of the extended Bonde's FIT: Functional Illiteracy
Theory? Bumper stickers require complete sentences? What part of
speech are heart-shaped figures?
I do like the irony of a person commenting on the irony of incorrect
usage not capitalizing a proper noun phrase in one place, and
capitalizing it in another.. |
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jerry_friedman@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:07 am
Post subject: Re: Irony? |
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:55:19 -0800, "Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies
down on Broadway'' )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote:
John O'Flaherty wrote:
Jerry Friedman wrote:
I saw this sticker on an SUV today:
JOHN KERRY...
Bringing complete sentences to the White House.
In my American understanding, that was ironic even before the
election.
(The other sticker on that vehicle was also an a.u.e.
threadcheck.
"GIRLY MEN VOTE TOO!")
I see the first one as apt and witty, but not ironic. According to
AHD,
the 'ironic' should have a contrast between apparent and intended
meaning, or an incongruity between expected and actual outcomes.
Even
the modern usage to mean something like 'coincidental' isn't
there.
The person has a bumper sticker saying that Kerry will bring
complete
sentences to the white house and the person isn't using a complete
sentence. Would it be irony if it were stuck on the limo Kerry was
taking to the White House on inauguration day, I mean pretending he
won
the election?
Is this part of the extended Bonde's FIT: Functional Illiteracy
Theory? Bumper stickers require complete sentences? What part of
speech are heart-shaped figures?
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You're in a mood today, Tony. I thought the sticker was ironic because
its content suggested that complete sentences were superior. It's like
a fumblerule--but, I suspect, unconscious.
| Quote: | I do like the irony of a person commenting on the irony of incorrect
usage not capitalizing a proper noun phrase in one place, and
capitalizing it in another..
Well, there is that. |
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Jerry Friedman |
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Bill Bonde ( ``And the La
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:07 am
Post subject: Re: Irony? |
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Tony Cooper wrote:
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:55:19 -0800, "Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies
down on Broadway'' )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote:
John O'Flaherty wrote:
Jerry Friedman wrote:
I saw this sticker on an SUV today:
JOHN KERRY...
Bringing complete sentences to the White House.
In my American understanding, that was ironic even before the
election.
(The other sticker on that vehicle was also an a.u.e. threadcheck.
"GIRLY MEN VOTE TOO!")
I see the first one as apt and witty, but not ironic. According to AHD,
the 'ironic' should have a contrast between apparent and intended
meaning, or an incongruity between expected and actual outcomes. Even
the modern usage to mean something like 'coincidental' isn't there.
The person has a bumper sticker saying that Kerry will bring complete
sentences to the white house and the person isn't using a complete
sentence. Would it be irony if it were stuck on the limo Kerry was
taking to the White House on inauguration day, I mean pretending he won
the election?
Is this part of the extended Bonde's FIT: Functional Illiteracy
Theory? Bumper stickers require complete sentences? What part of
speech are heart-shaped figures?
I do like the irony of a person commenting on the irony of incorrect
usage not capitalizing a proper noun phrase in one place, and
capitalizing it in another..
But that's the irony. I didn't claim that bumper stickers had to be |
'complete' sentences. I don't claim that writers have to or should use
'complete' sentences all the time either.
It is my opinion that "White House" should be capitalized. Being wrong
about something isn't irony. Writing how Kerry is bringing complete
sentences back to the White House is ironic when you write that out
using an incomplete sentence.
--
The Republicans are going for the Dem jugular in 2008 with Pataki or
Giuliani for president, putting New York state in play, and Condi or
Colin for vice president, putting the black American vote into play. The
Dem response is to run Hillary. Hilarious. |
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Jordan Abel
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:07 am
Post subject: Re: Irony? |
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:55:19 -0800, "Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies
down on Broadway'' )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote:
John O'Flaherty wrote:
Jerry Friedman wrote:
I saw this sticker on an SUV today:
JOHN KERRY...
Bringing complete sentences to the White House.
Is this part of the extended Bonde's FIT: Functional Illiteracy
Theory? Bumper stickers require complete sentences? What part of
speech are heart-shaped figures?
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Verb, traditionally.
Anyway, it wouldn't have been criticized for not being a complete sentence
if it weren't itself talking about "complete sentences". |
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Bill Bonde ( ``And the La
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Post subject: Re: Irony? |
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"jerry_friedman@yahoo.com" wrote:
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Tony Cooper wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:55:19 -0800, "Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies
down on Broadway'' )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote:
John O'Flaherty wrote:
Jerry Friedman wrote:
I saw this sticker on an SUV today:
JOHN KERRY...
Bringing complete sentences to the White House.
In my American understanding, that was ironic even before the
election.
(The other sticker on that vehicle was also an a.u.e.
threadcheck.
"GIRLY MEN VOTE TOO!")
I see the first one as apt and witty, but not ironic. According to
AHD,
the 'ironic' should have a contrast between apparent and intended
meaning, or an incongruity between expected and actual outcomes.
Even
the modern usage to mean something like 'coincidental' isn't
there.
The person has a bumper sticker saying that Kerry will bring
complete
sentences to the white house and the person isn't using a complete
sentence. Would it be irony if it were stuck on the limo Kerry was
taking to the White House on inauguration day, I mean pretending he
won
the election?
Is this part of the extended Bonde's FIT: Functional Illiteracy
Theory? Bumper stickers require complete sentences? What part of
speech are heart-shaped figures?
You're in a mood today, Tony. I thought the sticker was ironic because
its content suggested that complete sentences were superior. It's like
a fumblerule--but, I suspect, unconscious.
It might be intentional, in which case it's self-deprecatingly clever. |
It's probably one of those smart ass Bush supporters having a little
double back fun again.
| Quote: | I do like the irony of a person commenting on the irony of incorrect
usage not capitalizing a proper noun phrase in one place, and
capitalizing it in another..
Well, there is that.
Making an error isn't ironic. In fact, it had to be twisted to claim I |
was even talking about usage. I was explaining to the poster what was
ironic, in my opinion, about the bumper sticker. I was not claiming that
complete sentences, whatever that really means, are required anywhere.
--
The Republicans are going for the Dem jugular in 2008 with Pataki or
Giuliani for president, putting New York state in play, and Condi or
Colin for vice president, putting the black American vote into play. The
Dem response is to run Hillary. Hilarious. |
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Jim Ward
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:07 am
Post subject: Re: Irony? |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:44:41 -0600, John O'Flaherty
| Quote: | I see the first one as apt and witty, but not ironic. According to AHD,
the 'ironic' should have a contrast between apparent and intended
meaning, or an incongruity between expected and actual outcomes. Even
the modern usage to mean something like 'coincidental' isn't there.
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My example of an ironic bumper sticker would be a pro-evolution one,
say a Darwin fish quoting John 8:32 - "Then you will know the truth,
and the truth will set you free." |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:07 am
Post subject: Re: Irony? |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:48:16 -0800, "Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies
down on Broadway'' )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote:
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Tony Cooper wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:55:19 -0800, "Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies
down on Broadway'' )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote:
John O'Flaherty wrote:
Jerry Friedman wrote:
I saw this sticker on an SUV today:
JOHN KERRY...
Bringing complete sentences to the White House.
In my American understanding, that was ironic even before the
election.
(The other sticker on that vehicle was also an a.u.e. threadcheck.
"GIRLY MEN VOTE TOO!")
I see the first one as apt and witty, but not ironic. According to AHD,
the 'ironic' should have a contrast between apparent and intended
meaning, or an incongruity between expected and actual outcomes. Even
the modern usage to mean something like 'coincidental' isn't there.
The person has a bumper sticker saying that Kerry will bring complete
sentences to the white house and the person isn't using a complete
sentence. Would it be irony if it were stuck on the limo Kerry was
taking to the White House on inauguration day, I mean pretending he won
the election?
Is this part of the extended Bonde's FIT: Functional Illiteracy
Theory? Bumper stickers require complete sentences? What part of
speech are heart-shaped figures?
I do like the irony of a person commenting on the irony of incorrect
usage not capitalizing a proper noun phrase in one place, and
capitalizing it in another..
But that's the irony. I didn't claim that bumper stickers had to be
'complete' sentences. I don't claim that writers have to or should use
'complete' sentences all the time either.
It is my opinion that "White House" should be capitalized. Being wrong
about something isn't irony.
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You can write the sentence above, and then write
: Writing how Kerry is bringing complete
| Quote: | sentences back to the White House is ironic when you write that out
using an incomplete sentence.
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the sentence above and not see the irony? You never really understood
that people, rocks, and glass houses thing, did you? |
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Bill Bonde ( ``And the La
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:07 am
Post subject: Re: Irony? |
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Tony Cooper wrote:
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:48:16 -0800, "Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies
down on Broadway'' )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote:
Tony Cooper wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:55:19 -0800, "Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies
down on Broadway'' )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote:
John O'Flaherty wrote:
Jerry Friedman wrote:
I saw this sticker on an SUV today:
JOHN KERRY...
Bringing complete sentences to the White House.
In my American understanding, that was ironic even before the
election.
(The other sticker on that vehicle was also an a.u.e. threadcheck.
"GIRLY MEN VOTE TOO!")
I see the first one as apt and witty, but not ironic. According to AHD,
the 'ironic' should have a contrast between apparent and intended
meaning, or an incongruity between expected and actual outcomes. Even
the modern usage to mean something like 'coincidental' isn't there.
The person has a bumper sticker saying that Kerry will bring complete
sentences to the white house and the person isn't using a complete
sentence. Would it be irony if it were stuck on the limo Kerry was
taking to the White House on inauguration day, I mean pretending he won
the election?
Is this part of the extended Bonde's FIT: Functional Illiteracy
Theory? Bumper stickers require complete sentences? What part of
speech are heart-shaped figures?
I do like the irony of a person commenting on the irony of incorrect
usage not capitalizing a proper noun phrase in one place, and
capitalizing it in another..
But that's the irony. I didn't claim that bumper stickers had to be
'complete' sentences. I don't claim that writers have to or should use
'complete' sentences all the time either.
It is my opinion that "White House" should be capitalized. Being wrong
about something isn't irony.
You can write the sentence above, and then write
: Writing how Kerry is bringing complete
sentences back to the White House is ironic when you write that out
using an incomplete sentence.
the sentence above and not see the irony? You never really understood
that people, rocks, and glass houses thing, did you?
How can me pointing out what the irony was be ironic? Are you trying to |
claim that I wrote 'white house' or are you trying to claim I didn't
create a complete sentence? I don't claim to create 'complete'
sentences. I don't claim they are important in aue or the white house or
the White House. That was something from the bumper stick, if you'll
recall.
--
So I was feeding the hummingbirds but not changing the feeder sugar
water quickly enough and it fermented into something like that stuff
that Hunter S Thompson was drinking in the Rum Diary, anyway, so I had
these drunk birds flying everywhere just like mosquitoes in Minnesota,
dashing up one side of me, darting down the other, crashing into the
windows, falling off their perches, didn't even know they perched,
flying backwards, flying backwards, it was like something out of the
Exorcist. After a while though, I got bored with it all. Next Summer I'm
going to Alaska to feed french bread soaked in Wild Turkey to polar
bears. Wish me luck! |
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