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Erick Andrews
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:00 am
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On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 00:39:07 UTC, Molly Mockford <nospamnobody@mollymockford.me.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | At 12:45:02 on Thu, 8 Dec 2005, Ivan <vorotyntsev@yahoo.com> wrote in
1134074702.082735.274840@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:
Well, then you should get off the Internet. It's an American invention.
Wrong. The original Internet was actually the result of joint American
and British work. The WWWeb (which is what most non-Usenauts wrongly
understand by the term "the Internet") was totally and entirely invented
by The Blessed St. Tim Berners-Lee - a Brit.
If he'd been an American, he'd probably have patented it.
As he wasn't, he went for open-source.
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Well, I don't remember Mr Berners-Lee being canonized, but I'm quite
sure he was knighted not long ago. "Sir Tim", I recall, is an OBE now.
Actually, the roots of the Internet was funded out of ARPA in the U.S., (now
DARPA, Defense [sic] Advanced Reseach Projects Agency), where most
of the fundamentals of packet switching *practically* arose out of TCP/IP
work at BBN in Cambridge, Massachusetts, in the late 1960s. (I know, I
consulted for Bolt, Beranek & Newman).
Mr Berners-Lee later made a hugh contribution for the WWW in the early 1990s.
So, subsequently, he had a critical role in the Internet's development for RFQs
and the WWW after the basics were developed. I think he was at CERN then.
Along with others at the time, he does deserve high accolades.
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I pray that no one tries to "patent" the Internet (some have tried, chipping away
at standards) but I expect that if you understand the foundations of Open Source
Software, you're enlightened. Ah, Richard Stallman, of course -- FSF -- down
the street here in Boston is Mr OSS perforce. May his tribe increase!
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Best,
Erick Andrews
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Ben Shimmin
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:00 am
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Erick Andrews <eandrews@bogusstar.net>:
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| Quote: | Actually, the roots of the Internet was funded out of ARPA in the U.S., (now
DARPA, Defense [sic] Advanced Reseach Projects Agency), where most
of the fundamentals of packet switching *practically* arose out of TCP/IP
work at BBN in Cambridge, Massachusetts, in the late 1960s. (I know, I
consulted for Bolt, Beranek & Newman).
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I thought Al Gore invented the Internet?
b.
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Mike Stevens
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:55 pm
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Molly Mockford wrote:
| Quote: | The WWWeb (which is what most
non-Usenauts wrongly understand by the term "the Internet") was
totally and entirely invented by The Blessed St. Tim Berners-Lee - a
Brit.
Who at the time was working at CERN, an international organisation located |
on the borders of France and Switzerland. SO I don't think the idea can be
claimed totally as British. Inbcidentally Sir Tim B-L was taught Maths at
school by a friend of mine.
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Mike Stevens
narrowboat Felis Catus II - Felis Catus III real soon now!
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John Briggs
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:28 pm
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Ben Shimmin wrote:
| Quote: | Erick Andrews <eandrews@bogusstar.net>:
[...]
Actually, the roots of the Internet was funded out of ARPA in the
U.S., (now DARPA, Defense [sic] Advanced Reseach Projects Agency),
where most
of the fundamentals of packet switching *practically* arose out of
TCP/IP work at BBN in Cambridge, Massachusetts, in the late 1960s.
(I know, I consulted for Bolt, Beranek & Newman).
I thought Al Gore invented the Internet?
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Actually, it turns out that his contribution was more important than is
usually thought to be the case.
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David
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:40 am
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In article <dnfla801r7b@drn.newsguy.com>, John Decker
<John_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <ek6dp15jf8vosad26nd7ir3335psd0cmrk@4ax.com>, Dave
Fawthrop says...
The English and American languages are completely different and only
generally mutually understandable. Worse there are dialects of
both still spoken, in limited areas, which use different vocabulary
and grammar.
That is an oxymoronic statement..."The English and
American languages are completely different and only generally
mutually understandable."
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There you, proof complete of what Dave said: over here it would merely
be a moronic statement.
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David - grough atcost btinternet fullstop com
www grough btinternet co uk/ (where'd me dots go to?) |
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John Decker
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:36 am
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In article <ek6dp15jf8vosad26nd7ir3335psd0cmrk@4ax.com>, Dave Fawthrop says...
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On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:32:00 +0100, "apprentice" <mailpawel@wp.pl
wrote:
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| It is funny for me because when we teach/learn English it is both =
British=20
| and American. Together they make up English. And here suddenly you want=
to=20
| distinguish between American and British Culture.
The English and American languages are completely different and only
generally mutually understandable. Worse there are dialects of both
still spoken, in limited areas, which use different vocabulary and
grammar.
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That is an oxymoronic statement..."The English and American languages are
completely different and
only generally mutually understandable."
JD
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Erick Andrews
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:31 am
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On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 02:20:33 UTC, Ben Shimmin <bas@llamaselector.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Erick Andrews <eandrews@bogusstar.net>:
[...]
Actually, the roots of the Internet was funded out of ARPA in the U.S., (now
DARPA, Defense [sic] Advanced Reseach Projects Agency), where most
of the fundamentals of packet switching *practically* arose out of TCP/IP
work at BBN in Cambridge, Massachusetts, in the late 1960s. (I know, I
consulted for Bolt, Beranek & Newman).
I thought Al Gore invented the Internet?
b.
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Well, if it did, I don't recall him getting knighted for his part in it.
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Best,
Erick Andrews
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Molly Mockford
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:49 am
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At 23:31:50 on Sat, 10 Dec 2005, Erick Andrews <eandrews@bogusstar.net>
wrote in <sGi8lzkop2Rq-pn2-V9wBl27DPBdc@HAL9000>:
| Quote: | On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 02:20:33 UTC, Ben Shimmin <bas@llamaselector.com> wrote:
I thought Al Gore invented the Internet?
Well, if it did, I don't recall him getting knighted for his part in it.
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Well, that was the Queen's mistake. She confused him with Bill Gates.
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Molly Mockford
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deserve neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin
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Erick Andrews
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:33 am
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On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:28:23 UTC, "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Ben Shimmin wrote:
Erick Andrews <eandrews@bogusstar.net>:
[...]
Actually, the roots of the Internet was funded out of ARPA in the
U.S., (now DARPA, Defense [sic] Advanced Reseach Projects Agency),
where most
of the fundamentals of packet switching *practically* arose out of
TCP/IP work at BBN in Cambridge, Massachusetts, in the late 1960s.
(I know, I consulted for Bolt, Beranek & Newman).
I thought Al Gore invented the Internet?
Actually, it turns out that his contribution was more important than is
usually thought to be the case.
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In a non-technical way, I'd agree with you.
Many folks, busy, working, the "I don't give-a-s***- folks", are happy enough,
bless them, and Gore was smarter than just a box of rocks for their grey cells.
For many, that was the new revelation of the Internet.
I guess that's A Good Thing.
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Best,
Erick Andrews
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Erick Andrews
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:42 am
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:49:19 UTC, Molly Mockford <nospamnobody@mollymockford.me.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | At 23:31:50 on Sat, 10 Dec 2005, Erick Andrews <eandrews@bogusstar.net
wrote in <sGi8lzkop2Rq-pn2-V9wBl27DPBdc@HAL9000>:
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 02:20:33 UTC, Ben Shimmin <bas@llamaselector.com> wrote:
I thought Al Gore invented the Internet?
Well, if it did, I don't recall him getting knighted for his part in it.
Well, that was the Queen's mistake. She confused him with Bill Gates.
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Sheesh. I've always held HM The Queen in higher esteem. I'd bet her big-ears
son knows much better techinically. I hope she's no longer confused with BG's
technical travails, despite his good HIV charity donations in India.
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Erick Andrews
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John Briggs
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:56 am
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Erick Andrews wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:28:23 UTC, "John Briggs"
john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Ben Shimmin wrote:
Erick Andrews <eandrews@bogusstar.net>:
[...]
Actually, the roots of the Internet was funded out of ARPA in the
U.S., (now DARPA, Defense [sic] Advanced Reseach Projects Agency),
where most
of the fundamentals of packet switching *practically* arose out of
TCP/IP work at BBN in Cambridge, Massachusetts, in the late 1960s.
(I know, I consulted for Bolt, Beranek & Newman).
I thought Al Gore invented the Internet?
Actually, it turns out that his contribution was more important than
is usually thought to be the case.
In a non-technical way, I'd agree with you.
Many folks, busy, working, the "I don't give-a-s***- folks", are
happy enough, bless them, and Gore was smarter than just a box of
rocks for their grey cells.
For many, that was the new revelation of the Internet.
I guess that's A Good Thing.
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He got a lifetime achievement award at the Webby Awards.
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Paul Burke
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:42 pm
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Erick Andrews wrote:
| Quote: | I'd bet her big-ears
son knows much better techinically.
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You lose your bet, I think. He's off with the fairies. He probably knows
how to spell "technically", though.
Paul Burke |
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