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The Other Fran
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:28 am
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On a radio program in a section devoted to police realted matters, the
police media rep said:
"He was charged with 'steal motor vehicle'". (As it was spoken, the
punctuation is mine.)
At one level, this is unremarkable, since it's clear that "steal motor
vehicle" is the precise title of the offence, presumably drawn from
some portion of NSW statute law.
Yet the phrase seems untidy when quoted. I'd be inclined to say "He was
charged with stealing a motor vehicle" even though this is probably not
the precise wording of the relevant offence title. The form of words
seems contrived to underline the media rep's status as police expert.
Is there a tidier and similarly concise way to quote the precise
offence?
TOF
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QT
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:00 am
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 04:04:44 GMT, "The Grammer Genious"
washcourthouse@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mark Brader <msb@vex.net> wrote in message
news:11n81fnmav9gfcb@corp.supernews.com...
Fran Barlow:
"He was charged with 'steal motor vehicle'". (As it was spoken,
the >> > punctuation is mine.)
... the phrase seems untidy when quoted. I'd be inclined to say
"He was >> > charged with stealing a motor vehicle" even though this
is probably not >> > the precise wording of the relevant offence
title.
The same thing comes up in some news reports here, and I agree
with Fran.
Me too. That's why I say "Do not pass the square labeled 'go'"
instead of "do not pass go." And I say "the menu which one can pull
down" instead of "the pull-down menu."
Lord, but you must be annoying to listen to. I can imagine you
describing a short drive as "I drove on the street identified as "Elm
Street" on the signs that are labeled with the name of the street
until I came to the sign labeled "Stop". At that point, I moved my
arms in such a way to turn the steering wheel and that caused the
vehicle to change directions sharply to my right. Unfortunately, I
did not turn sharply enough and thus did not complete the maneuver
successfully. This caused the vehicle to come into physical contact
with a box in which letters and packages are deposited for collection.
All that to say "I drove down Elm Street, turned right at the Stop
sign, but did a farmer's turn and hit a mailbox."
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LOL
You've made my day, thanks.
qt
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:00 am
Post subject: Re: Quoting of legal offences in conversation |
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"The formal charge was 'steal motor vehicle'."
It is unclear that reportage requires exact quotation of words silly
when out of precise context.
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My attempt answer
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The Other Fran
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:00 am
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The Grammer Genious wrote:
| Quote: | Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:8h78n15o0lo0oohj9sbq63t16303f885hm@4ax.com...
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 04:04:44 GMT, "The Grammer Genious"
washcourthouse@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mark Brader <msb@vex.net> wrote in message
news:11n81fnmav9gfcb@corp.supernews.com...
Fran Barlow:
"He was charged with 'steal motor vehicle'". (As it was spoken, the
punctuation is mine.)
... the phrase seems untidy when quoted. I'd be inclined to say "He
was
charged with stealing a motor vehicle" even though this is probably
not
the precise wording of the relevant offence title.
The same thing comes up in some news reports here, and I agree with
Fran.
Me too. That's why I say "Do not pass the square labeled 'go'" instead of
"do not pass go." And I say "the menu which one can pull down" instead of
"the pull-down menu."
Lord, but you must be annoying to listen to. I can imagine you
describing a short drive as "I drove on the street identified as "Elm
Street" on the signs that are labeled with the name of the street
until I came to the sign labeled "Stop". At that point, I moved my
arms in such a way to turn the steering wheel and that caused the
vehicle to change directions sharply to my right. Unfortunately, I
did not turn sharply enough and thus did not complete the maneuver
successfully. This caused the vehicle to come into physical contact
with a box in which letters and packages are deposited for collection.
All that to say "I drove down Elm Street, turned right at the Stop
sign, but did a farmer's turn and hit a mailbox."
Good for you. I think you get it. Bravo. Good thinking. Q.E.D. Thanks for
belaboring the obvious so I didn't have to.
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It's good to see that "TC" didn't find your kernel of thought to be in
an almost impenetrable shell, otherwise he might have struggled to
attenuate it as he did, and in so doing, fail to notice the jibe you
were making.
TOF (who, as one of his intellectual close friends, gets to call him
"TC", albeit with dignity.) |
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The Grammer Genious
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:00 am
Post subject: Re: Quoting of legal offences in conversation |
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Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:8h78n15o0lo0oohj9sbq63t16303f885hm@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 04:04:44 GMT, "The Grammer Genious"
washcourthouse@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mark Brader <msb@vex.net> wrote in message
news:11n81fnmav9gfcb@corp.supernews.com...
Fran Barlow:
"He was charged with 'steal motor vehicle'". (As it was spoken, the
punctuation is mine.)
... the phrase seems untidy when quoted. I'd be inclined to say "He
was
charged with stealing a motor vehicle" even though this is probably
not
the precise wording of the relevant offence title.
The same thing comes up in some news reports here, and I agree with
Fran.
Me too. That's why I say "Do not pass the square labeled 'go'" instead of
"do not pass go." And I say "the menu which one can pull down" instead of
"the pull-down menu."
Lord, but you must be annoying to listen to. I can imagine you
describing a short drive as "I drove on the street identified as "Elm
Street" on the signs that are labeled with the name of the street
until I came to the sign labeled "Stop". At that point, I moved my
arms in such a way to turn the steering wheel and that caused the
vehicle to change directions sharply to my right. Unfortunately, I
did not turn sharply enough and thus did not complete the maneuver
successfully. This caused the vehicle to come into physical contact
with a box in which letters and packages are deposited for collection.
All that to say "I drove down Elm Street, turned right at the Stop
sign, but did a farmer's turn and hit a mailbox."
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Good for you. I think you get it. Bravo. Good thinking. Q.E.D. Thanks for
belaboring the obvious so I didn't have to. |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:00 am
Post subject: Re: Quoting of legal offences in conversation |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 04:04:44 GMT, "The Grammer Genious"
<washcourthouse@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Mark Brader <msb@vex.net> wrote in message
news:11n81fnmav9gfcb@corp.supernews.com...
Fran Barlow:
"He was charged with 'steal motor vehicle'". (As it was spoken, the
punctuation is mine.)
... the phrase seems untidy when quoted. I'd be inclined to say "He was
charged with stealing a motor vehicle" even though this is probably not
the precise wording of the relevant offence title.
The same thing comes up in some news reports here, and I agree with Fran.
Me too. That's why I say "Do not pass the square labeled 'go'" instead of
"do not pass go." And I say "the menu which one can pull down" instead of
"the pull-down menu."
Lord, but you must be annoying to listen to. I can imagine you |
describing a short drive as "I drove on the street identified as "Elm
Street" on the signs that are labeled with the name of the street
until I came to the sign labeled "Stop". At that point, I moved my
arms in such a way to turn the steering wheel and that caused the
vehicle to change directions sharply to my right. Unfortunately, I
did not turn sharply enough and thus did not complete the maneuver
successfully. This caused the vehicle to come into physical contact
with a box in which letters and packages are deposited for collection.
All that to say "I drove down Elm Street, turned right at the Stop
sign, but did a farmer's turn and hit a mailbox."
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Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL |
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The Other Fran
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:00 am
Post subject: Re: Quoting of legal offences in conversation |
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The Grammer Genious wrote:
| Quote: | Mark Brader <msb@vex.net> wrote in message
news:11n81fnmav9gfcb@corp.supernews.com...
Fran Barlow:
"He was charged with 'steal motor vehicle'". (As it was spoken, the
punctuation is mine.)
... the phrase seems untidy when quoted. I'd be inclined to say "He was
charged with stealing a motor vehicle" even though this is probably not
the precise wording of the relevant offence title.
The same thing comes up in some news reports here, and I agree with Fran.
Me too. That's why I say "Do not pass the square labeled 'go'" instead of
"do not pass go." And I say "the menu which one can pull down" instead of
"the pull-down menu."
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Nice thought.
Perhaps here then:
He was charged as follows: Steal motor vehicle; Exceed speed limit by
less that 45KMH
etc
I believe the word "with" may be what makes it appear so clumsy.
TOF |
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The Grammer Genious
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:00 am
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Mark Brader <msb@vex.net> wrote in message
news:11n81fnmav9gfcb@corp.supernews.com...
| Quote: | Fran Barlow:
"He was charged with 'steal motor vehicle'". (As it was spoken, the
punctuation is mine.)
... the phrase seems untidy when quoted. I'd be inclined to say "He was
charged with stealing a motor vehicle" even though this is probably not
the precise wording of the relevant offence title.
The same thing comes up in some news reports here, and I agree with Fran.
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Me too. That's why I say "Do not pass the square labeled 'go'" instead of
"do not pass go." And I say "the menu which one can pull down" instead of
"the pull-down menu." |
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The Other Fran
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:00 am
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Robert Lieblich wrote:
| Quote: | Mark Brader wrote:
Fran Barlow:
"He was charged with 'steal motor vehicle'". (As it was spoken, the
punctuation is mine.)
... the phrase seems untidy when quoted. I'd be inclined to say "He was
charged with stealing a motor vehicle" even though this is probably not
the precise wording of the relevant offence title.
The same thing comes up in some news reports here, and I agree with Fran.
How about "motor vehicle theft"?
--
Bob Lieblich
Not guilty
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That sounds far better, but perhaps that's not the precise charge
title. I suppose it would be legitimate however if the particular
charge fell under a paragraph heading in that form.
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Robert Lieblich
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:00 am
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Mark Brader wrote:
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Fran Barlow:
"He was charged with 'steal motor vehicle'". (As it was spoken, the
punctuation is mine.)
... the phrase seems untidy when quoted. I'd be inclined to say "He was
charged with stealing a motor vehicle" even though this is probably not
the precise wording of the relevant offence title.
The same thing comes up in some news reports here, and I agree with Fran.
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How about "motor vehicle theft"?
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Bob Lieblich
Not guilty |
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Mark Brader
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:01 am
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Fran Barlow:
| Quote: | "He was charged with 'steal motor vehicle'". (As it was spoken, the
punctuation is mine.)
... the phrase seems untidy when quoted. I'd be inclined to say "He was
charged with stealing a motor vehicle" even though this is probably not
the precise wording of the relevant offence title.
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The same thing comes up in some news reports here, and I agree with Fran.
--
Mark Brader "They have computers, and they may have
Toronto other weapons of mass destruction."
msb@vex.net -- Janet Reno, 1998 |
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