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Twittering One
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:45 am
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How does one explain the use of "I'll to thy closet"?
Homosexual reference. |
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Christian Weisgerber
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 3:02 am
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FB <fam.balducciNOSPAM@tin.it> wrote:
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No, that's not right. "I'll to bed" is normal colloquial English of
the period. There is no need for "go" at all.
Something of the sort still occurs in German, doesn't it?
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Do you have an example in mind?
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John Dean
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:06 am
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the Omrud wrote:
| Quote: | Xah Lee <xah@xahlee.org> spake thusly:
From Titus Andronicus, of Shakespeare (act 3, scene 2, last
paragraph):
TITUS. Come, take away. Lavinia, go with me;
I'll to thy closet, and go read with thee
Sad stories chanced in the times of old.
Come, boy, and go with me; thy sight is young,
And thou shalt read when mine begin to dazzle.
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note his creative break of grammar.
How does one explain the use of â??I'll to thy closetâ??
Nobody's mentioned John Masefield. "blown spume", there's a phrase.
I must down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,
And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,
And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's
shaking,
And a grey mist on the sea's face, and a grey dawn breaking.
I must down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide
Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;
And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,
And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.
I must down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,
To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a
whetted knife;
And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover
And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over.
or, of course, Spike Milligan, who replaced the elided "go":
I must go down to the sea again, to the lonely sea and the sky;
I left my shoes and socks there - I wonder if they're dry?
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It may not have been elided. The Ox. Dic. of Quot. (5th Ed.) shows "I
must go down to the sea again..." and has a footnote ' "I must down to
the seas" in the original of 1902, possibly a misprint.'
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John Dean
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Dennis M. Hammes
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:07 am
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Twittering One wrote:
| Quote: | How does one explain the use of "I'll to thy closet"?
Homosexual reference.
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Don't tell Will.
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If a pome falls in the middle of a library and
the Bishop can't read it, does it still say, "Iamb"?
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gazebo
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 6:20 pm
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FB
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:39 pm
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 01:02:07 +0000 (UTC), Christian Weisgerber wrote:
| Quote: | FB <fam.balducciNOSPAM@tin.it> wrote:
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No, that's not right. "I'll to bed" is normal colloquial English of
the period. There is no need for "go" at all.
Something of the sort still occurs in German, doesn't it?
Do you have an example in mind?
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I'm not sure, but possibly
"Ich muss jetzt nach Hause"?
Bye, FB
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Incantato s'è incantato.
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Shaun aRe
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:03 pm
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"--the Creeper loves gekko--" <styx123@XXXihug.com.au> wrote in message
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"Twittering One" <mournenwould@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1131545848.494395.234580@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
A well-know language device,
the name of which escapes me at the moment.
*Twittering One*! ! !
Please forgive my brutishness.
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Yeah Robbie, WTF was up with that? I was quite... shocked, wondering even if
someone was frogging you...
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:42 pm
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FB <fam.balducciNOSPAM@tin.it> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 01:02:07 +0000 (UTC), Christian Weisgerber wrote:
FB <fam.balducciNOSPAM@tin.it> wrote:
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No, that's not right. "I'll to bed" is normal colloquial English of
the period. There is no need for "go" at all.
Something of the sort still occurs in German, doesn't it?
Do you have an example in mind?
I'm not sure, but possibly
"Ich muss jetzt nach Hause"?
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It seems to be routine to drop the "main" verb in Dutch if it's
understood:
Ik moet naar de winkel ("I must to the store")
I find this handy.
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Best -- Donna Richoux
An American living in the Netherlands |
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FB
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:04 pm
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:42:26 +0100, Donna Richoux wrote:
| Quote: | FB <fam.balducciNOSPAM@tin.it> wrote:
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I'm not sure, but possibly
"Ich muss jetzt nach Hause"?
It seems to be routine to drop the "main" verb in Dutch if it's
understood:
Ik moet naar de winkel ("I must to the store")
I find this handy.
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And google appears to confirm that's possible in Swedish as well: "Jag
måste hem".
Bye, FB
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"Everyone should have a plane!"
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