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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:02 am
Post subject: Both, pronounced "bolth" |
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Has any authority observed this alternate pronunciation of "both"? A
google search shows numerous misspellings of "both" as "bolth". No
dictionary I'm aware of lists it as an alternate pronunciation.
John |
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nancy13g
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:41 am
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beartiger@gmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | Has any authority observed this alternate pronunciation of "both"? A
google search shows numerous misspellings of "both" as "bolth". No
dictionary I'm aware of lists it as an alternate pronunciation.
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Wow. I made the mistake of confirming what you say by googling for the
word myself. The results were depressing beyond belief. Some examples:
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if you are like me you may be wondering if the extra $$$ for a good
bench grinder is werth spending. as i have bolth i can just say this
bolth do a good job of grinding but you can tell the dif. for shoure.
the biggest differance you will first realize is you will have to tie
down the cheepo for shour or it will walk off the table shaking
everything on the table off as it goes
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well i have respecs for bolth games halo has a bit more acshon and
metrod is harder and takes mor thot they are bolth fun bolth good
histry like they are bolth good fps but my favrit wood be metrod for
long games but halo is good if u just want to go to some lvl to have
fun in my opinyon metrod is a bit better but halo is second in line on
favrit fps
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Bolth of my parents where very young when I was born so "granney"
raised me. Maby I phrased It wrong, my whole conserne was how they
would react to my "dear granney" walking me down the isle. I have a
great relashionship with bolth my parents, and I know they would
"behave them selfs", why wouldnt they?
* * * * * * * * * * * *
How can people spell the same word wrong two different ways in the same
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TakenEvent
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:27 am
Post subject: Re: Both, pronounced "bolth" |
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<beartiger@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Has any authority observed this alternate pronunciation of "both"? A
google search shows numerous misspellings of "both" as "bolth". No
dictionary I'm aware of lists it as an alternate pronunciation.
John
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Bolth is both odd and, around here anyway, common. I'm not sure how it
happened. It's not really any easier to say. |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:31 am
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nancy13g <nancy13g@verizon.net> wrote:
| Quote: | beartiger@gmail.com wrote:
Has any authority observed this alternate pronunciation of "both"? A
google search shows numerous misspellings of "both" as "bolth".
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But "numerous" has to be considered as *relative*. There are over a
billion hits for "both" -- that's a lot.
both 1,260,000,000
bolth 21,700 Ratio 58064:1
That's one of the biggest ratios I've ever recorded. It means "bolth" is
rarer than "muose" and slightly more common than "consequative".
I grant that it's still worth discussing why "bolth" should exist at
all. What nationality is doing this might be enlightening -- maybe it
ties to a regional pronunciation.
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Best -- Donna Richoux |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:45 am
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TakenEvent <lightbulbsnickety@chartermi.net> wrote:
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beartiger@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131224577.640887.72730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Has any authority observed this alternate pronunciation of "both"? A
google search shows numerous misspellings of "both" as "bolth". No
dictionary I'm aware of lists it as an alternate pronunciation.
Bolth is both odd and, around here anyway, common. I'm not sure how it
happened. It's not really any easier to say.
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Since there is no geographical clue in "TakenEvent
<lightbulbsnickety@chartermi.net>," would you mind filling us in on
where "here" is?
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Thanks -- Donna Richoux
An American living in the Netherlands |
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TakenEvent
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:30 am
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"Donna Richoux" <trio@euronet.nl> wrote in message
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TakenEvent <lightbulbsnickety@chartermi.net> wrote:
beartiger@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131224577.640887.72730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Has any authority observed this alternate pronunciation of "both"? A
google search shows numerous misspellings of "both" as "bolth". No
dictionary I'm aware of lists it as an alternate pronunciation.
Bolth is both odd and, around here anyway, common. I'm not sure how it
happened. It's not really any easier to say.
Since there is no geographical clue in "TakenEvent
lightbulbsnickety@chartermi.net>," would you mind filling us in on
where "here" is?
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Actually, there is a clue: the "mi" after "charter." I live in Michigan,
about 250 miles NNW-ish of Maria. I just assumed you all remembered... |
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PR
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:49 am
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| Quote: | Has any authority observed this alternate pronunciation of "both"? A
google search shows numerous misspellings of "both" as "bolth". No
dictionary I'm aware of lists it as an alternate pronunciation.
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I have a friend who grew up in northern Wyoming who says it, and she makes
fun of herself for saying it. Or if she doesn't, I sometimes chime in... |
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Mark Brader
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:32 am
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Nancy G.:
| Quote: | How can people spell the same word wrong two different ways in the same
paragraph???
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Maybee duh, whazzit 18-th centurie??, phad fer havin djust wone fikst
speln'g fer uh werd iz gnow fin-ly faidin owt? Y'no, w/txtng &n aal?
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Mark Brader, Toronto "Let us knot coin gnu werds huitch
msb@vex.net are spelld rong." -- Rik Fischer Smoody |
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Jeffrey Turner
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:34 am
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Donna Richoux wrote:
| Quote: | nancy13g <nancy13g@verizon.net> wrote:
beartiger@gmail.com wrote:
Has any authority observed this alternate pronunciation of "both"? A
google search shows numerous misspellings of "both" as "bolth".
But "numerous" has to be considered as *relative*. There are over a
billion hits for "both" -- that's a lot.
both 1,260,000,000
bolth 21,700 Ratio 58064:1
That's one of the biggest ratios I've ever recorded. It means "bolth" is
rarer than "muose" and slightly more common than "consequative".
I grant that it's still worth discussing why "bolth" should exist at
all. What nationality is doing this might be enlightening -- maybe it
ties to a regional pronunciation.
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The "L" is just below the "O", if your finger slips...
--Jeff
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to political or religious faiths or any
other kind of dogmas or goals, it's
always because these dogmas or goals
are in doubt. -Robert T. Pirsig |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:52 am
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:31:36 +0100, trio@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux)
wrote:
| Quote: | nancy13g <nancy13g@verizon.net> wrote:
beartiger@gmail.com wrote:
Has any authority observed this alternate pronunciation of "both"? A
google search shows numerous misspellings of "both" as "bolth".
But "numerous" has to be considered as *relative*. There are over a
billion hits for "both" -- that's a lot.
both 1,260,000,000
bolth 21,700 Ratio 58064:1
That's one of the biggest ratios I've ever recorded. It means "bolth" is
rarer than "muose" and slightly more common than "consequative".
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....in texts URL's refer to, nothing more. It's a big world out there,
and Google doesn't quite have the answers to everything, English usage
included.
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Charles Riggs |
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:05 am
Post subject: Intrusive L [was Re: Both, pronounced "bolth"] |
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TakenEvent wrote:
| Quote: | beartiger@gmail.com> wrote:
Has any authority observed this alternate pronunciation of "both"? A
google search shows numerous misspellings of "both" as "bolth". No
dictionary I'm aware of lists it as an alternate pronunciation.
Bolth is both odd and, around here anyway, common. I'm not sure how
it happened. It's not really any easier to say.
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I've noticed an "intrusive L" in some words spoken by Texans, with
singer Willie Nelson being a good example.
For instance, in "Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain," Willie pronounces
"ember" and "remember" as if there were an L before the -mber. In
another song, "My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys," he seems to put an L
in "memories," just before the second m. In the same song, his "of" has
just a hint of an L before the v (f), and "step" has a fairly clear L
before the p.
This same intrusive L is something I've heard from Tennesseans, as
well -- and not just in songs, but in conversations, too. Most common:
ep becoming, almost, "elp" and em becoming, almost, "elm."
Other "sometimes"[*] examples from Willie:
Memphis as Me[L]mphis
Forgive as forgi[L]ve
Live as li[L]ve
Have as ha[L]ve
All these intrusive L's may be due to the common occurence of an actual
L preceeding m, p, and v in many words. (This says nothing about "both,"
of course.)
[*] Not present every time the word is sung or spoken.
Maria Conlon, listening to Willie Nelson ("16 Biggest Hits") even as I
type. |
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Mark Brader
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:05 am
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Donna Richoux writes:
| Quote: | Let me run a separate test to measure that effect. Picking another
common word with "o" in it:
some 2,030,000,000
solme 692 Ratio: 2,930,000:1
That's really rare, the largest ratio in all of my notes...
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And not only that, you have to go about 30 places down the hit list
before you get one where "solme" appears to be a typo for "some".
The others are mostly foreign-language names (if you don't restrict
the search to English, you get about 43,000 hits).
What did surprise me was that another one of the first 30 hits is an
excerpt from the journals of Lewis and Clark, identifying the solme
as a kind of berry. I suppose the rarity of the word means that we
call this berry something else today.
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Mark Brader, Toronto | "Operating systems are too important
msb@vex.net | to be 'visionary'." --Linus Torvalds
My text in this article is in the public domain. |
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John Bauman
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:05 am
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"Mark Brader" <msb@vex.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Donna Richoux writes:
Let me run a separate test to measure that effect. Picking another
common word with "o" in it:
some 2,030,000,000
solme 692 Ratio: 2,930,000:1
That's really rare, the largest ratio in all of my notes...
And not only that, you have to go about 30 places down the hit list
before you get one where "solme" appears to be a typo for "some".
The others are mostly foreign-language names (if you don't restrict
the search to English, you get about 43,000 hits).
What did surprise me was that another one of the first 30 hits is an
excerpt from the journals of Lewis and Clark, identifying the solme
as a kind of berry. I suppose the rarity of the word means that we
call this berry something else today.
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Maybe the berry's golne extinct? |
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Ted Schuerzinger
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:05 am
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Somebody claiming to be "TakenEvent" <lightbulbsnickety@chartermi.net>
wrote in news:Fkabf.594$4i6.388@fe06.lga:
| Quote: | Bolth is both odd and, around here anyway, common. I'm not sure how it
happened. It's not really any easier to say.
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Where is "here"?
(NB: I'm not saying there's no place where the "bolth" pronunciation is
common; I'm asking out of curiousity.)
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Ted <fedya at bestweb dot net>
Oh Marge, anyone can miss Canada, all tucked away down there....
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:06 am
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Jeffrey Turner <jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Donna Richoux wrote:
nancy13g <nancy13g@verizon.net> wrote:
beartiger@gmail.com wrote:
Has any authority observed this alternate pronunciation of "both"? A
google search shows numerous misspellings of "both" as "bolth".
But "numerous" has to be considered as *relative*. There are over a
billion hits for "both" -- that's a lot.
both 1,260,000,000
bolth 21,700 Ratio 58064:1
That's one of the biggest ratios I've ever recorded. It means "bolth" is
rarer than "muose" and slightly more common than "consequative".
I grant that it's still worth discussing why "bolth" should exist at
all. What nationality is doing this might be enlightening -- maybe it
ties to a regional pronunciation.
The "L" is just below the "O", if your finger slips...
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Let me run a separate test to measure that effect. Picking another
common word with "o" in it:
some 2,030,000,000
solme 692 Ratio: 2,930,000:1
That's really rare, the largest ratio in all of my notes, and several
orders of magnitude different from "bolth." If the L in "bolth" got
there by a purely mechanical slippage of the fingers, I would expect
such slippage to happen with all o-words at a comparable rate. So I
think something else is going on here besides random error.
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Best -- Donna Richoux |
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