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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:59 pm
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On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:40:40 +0000 (UTC), Salvatore Volatile
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| Quote: | Default User wrote:
Bob Cunningham wrote:
In what sense does "sandwiches" include "hamburgers"? How
many Americans when asked to name all the sandwiches they
can think of would think to include hamburgers? I don't
think I would. To me a sandwich is two slices of bread with
something in between. A split hamburger bun is not two
slices of bread.
So sliced ham and Swiss cheese on a split Kaiser roll wouldn't be a
sandwich to you? It is to me.
I think it's the hamburger -- the meat itself -- that prevents a hamburger
from being a sandwich. A hamburger patty differs substantially from
normative sandwich fillings or meats in both structure and function.
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What if you were to chop the patty into small bits? Would anyone deny
that barbecued minced pork in a bun, popular in the Carolinas,
constitutes a sandwich? I see nothing all that special about fried
minced beef that when put between two pieces of bread wouldn't result
in a sandwich.
| Quote: | Take a hamburger bun and put peanut butter on the inside of one half
and jelly on the inside of the other half, and put them together, and you
have a sandwich.
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Put anything edible between the two and you have a sandwich, I say.
And with bread of the normal kind you don't even need two pieces to
have sandwich possibilities.
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:59 pm
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On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:30:14 +0000 (UTC), Salvatore Volatile
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In message <dkr2g8$ufh$1@news.wss.yale.edu>, Salvatore Volatile
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I think it's the hamburger -- the meat itself -- that prevents a hamburger
from being a sandwich.
The pattie has nothing to with it. It's the lack of two slices of bread,
or a single folded slice, that determines that it's not a sandwich.
You talking baps or burgers?
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Bap is not a word Americans know or need.
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:59 pm
Post subject: Re: burger [was: Re: Is a thumb a finger?} |
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On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 01:31:07 GMT, Bob Cunningham
<exw6sxq@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On 9 Nov 2005 00:04:59 GMT, "Default User"
defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> said:
Bob Cunningham wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:40:40 +0000 (UTC), Salvatore Volatile
me@privacy.net> said:
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Take a hamburger bun and put peanut butter on the inside of one
half and jelly on the inside of the other half, and put them
together, and you have a sandwich.
To me it sounds more like a peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger.
I would expect that to be peanut butter and jelly, on a burger.
For me, the hamburger is the whole works: bun, meat patty,
tomato, onion, lettuce, dill pickle, and catsup or mustard
or a suitable sauce.
The peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger comprises the bun, the
peanut butter, and the jelly.
Your concept seems to be that the bun alone is the burger.
To each his own.
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To me, a hamburger can be bunless and still be a hamburger. When I eat
them without a bun I never put ketchup on them as I normally would a
bunned burger (HP sauce, mustard only, or A1 instead) -- nevertheless,
it remains a hamburger. I probably wouldn't call it a burger, though.
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JF
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:40 pm
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In message <a1k2n1dged52mcp3fl63sbgtepmhfci8mp@4ax.com>, Bob Cunningham
<exw6sxq@earthlink.net> writes
| Quote: | For me, the hamburger is the whole works: bun, meat patty,
tomato, onion, lettuce, dill pickle, and catsup or mustard
or a suitable sauce.
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The first hamburger chain to open in southern England were Wimpy. I can
still remember one opening in Kingston-upon-Thames around 1958. They
used to toast the bap and serve their hamburgers (called Wimpys) hot and
were quite palatable. The other bits, onion and lettuce etc, were
available as a side dish. I find the preference today for limp, steamed
lettuce and patties that are warm rather than hot among the
hamburger-eating classes is most odd.
For Wimpys with cheese, a slice of Cheddar would be used under the grill
and served bubbling hot. Today England is bursting at the seams with
Cheddar cheese and yet most hamburger chefs in fast warm food outlets
prefer to use ghastly processed cheese that doesn't melt properly. Most
odd.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:17 am
Post subject: Re: burger [was: Re: Is a thumb a finger?} |
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Bob Cunningham wrote:
| Quote: | On 9 Nov 2005 00:04:59 GMT, "Default User"
defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> said:
Bob Cunningham wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:40:40 +0000 (UTC), Salvatore Volatile
me@privacy.net> said:
[...]
Take a hamburger bun and put peanut butter on the inside of one
half and jelly on the inside of the other half, and put them
together, and you have a sandwich.
To me it sounds more like a peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger.
I would expect that to be peanut butter and jelly, on a burger.
For me, the hamburger is the whole works: bun, meat patty,
tomato, onion, lettuce, dill pickle, and catsup or mustard
or a suitable sauce.
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The only essential of those is the patty and bread. It's still a burger
without tomato, without onion (blech), without lettuce (no thanks),
without pickle, without ketchup (definitely without that), without
mustard, without sauce. Even without a bun as long as some other
suitable bread is substituted.
| Quote: | The peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger comprises the bun, the
peanut butter, and the jelly.
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That is not a burger of any sort.
| Quote: | Your concept seems to be that the bun alone is the burger.
To each his own.
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I most certainly did NOT state anything of the sort, in fact the
opposite. The bun does not a burger make.
Brian
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:26 am
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | One of my favorite sandwiches was the Frisch's Tenderloin. It was a
huge piece of breaded pork tenderloin in a bun. For some reason I
always put ketchup on this sandwich even though I don't put ketchup on
any other meat.
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This is a very common sandwich in Iowa and available in other states,
particularly nearby ones.
| Quote: | If you doubt that a hamburger is a sandwich because the meat is not a
normative sandwich filling, then do you also deny the Frisch's
Tenderloin the status of "sandwich"?
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I don't. It's a sandwich. A hamburger is a hamburger because it's built
around a hamburger patty. It is different. For the same reason I
wouldn't call a hotdog a sandwich, even though it's served in a split
bun. It's not even the materials, I call a Maid-Rite (loose cooked
ground beef) a sandwich even though its base meat is the same as a
hamburger. But it ain't a hamburger.
I would call the tenderloin sandwich a sandwich. As does this fellow,
along with many others:
http://www.allenbukoff.com/wildBPTiowa03/
I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if the restaurant you mention
didn't call it a sandwich on the menu as well.
Brian
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Bob Cunningham
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 3:05 am
Post subject: Re: burger [was: Re: Is a thumb a finger?} |
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On 9 Nov 2005 19:17:18 GMT, "Default User"
<defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> said:
| Quote: | Bob Cunningham wrote:
On 9 Nov 2005 00:04:59 GMT, "Default User"
defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> said:
Bob Cunningham wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:40:40 +0000 (UTC), Salvatore Volatile
me@privacy.net> said:
[...]
Take a hamburger bun and put peanut butter on the inside of one
half and jelly on the inside of the other half, and put them
together, and you have a sandwich.
To me it sounds more like a peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger.
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(That was a joke.)
| Quote: | I would expect that to be peanut butter and jelly, on a burger.
For me, the hamburger is the whole works: bun, meat patty,
tomato, onion, lettuce, dill pickle, and catsup or mustard
or a suitable sauce.
The only essential of those is the patty and bread. It's still a burger
without tomato, without onion (blech), without lettuce (no thanks),
without pickle, without ketchup (definitely without that), without
mustard, without sauce.
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Of course. I didn't say all of those ingredients were
essential in order to call the result a hamburger. But if
they are present, then each of them is a part of the
hamburger. Let me say, though, that without at least the
ingredients I listed, the result is not a *good* hamburger.
And the slice of white onion that you bleched at is
indispensable to a good hamburger. A couple of green chiles
and a little sliced avocado are nice additions, but without
them the hamburger is still quite acceptable.
| Quote: | Even without a bun as long as some other
suitable bread is substituted.
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Without a genuine bun, and with bread substituted, we no
longer have a hamburger. We have a ground-beef sandwich.
| Quote: | The peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger comprises the bun, the
peanut butter, and the jelly.
That is not a burger of any sort.
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In the realm of lighthearted banter, peanut butter and jelly
on a bun would make a peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger. Are
we having fun yet?
| Quote: | Your concept seems to be that the bun alone is the burger.
To each his own.
I most certainly did NOT state anything of the sort, in fact the
opposite. The bun does not a burger make.
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You said the following:
I would expect that to be peanut butter and
jelly, on a burger.
According to the poster who brought up the peanut butter and
jelly concoction, the peanut butter and jelly were to be put
on the bun. No other ingredients were specified. You said
the peanut butter and jelly were on a burger. When you say
that the peanut butter and jelly that are on a bun are on a
burger, you are implying that the bun is the burger. |
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Salvatore Volatile
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 3:25 am
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Richard Bollard wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:30:14 +0000 (UTC), Salvatore Volatile
me@privacy.net> wrote:
You talking baps or burgers? If hamburgers, define "bread" and "slice".
I think a hamburger bun is enough like bread (and enough like two slices
of bread, as used in a normative sandwich) for that to not be what
distinguishes hamburgers from sandwiches.
In Australia, usage implies that a sandwich is the sort of bread that
has the crusts along the edges, something cut from a loaf.
In sandwich bars, along with the choices for fillings, are sandwich
drift options such as "roll, toasted, foccacia, etc" normally at extra
cost. We distinguish between, say, a salad roll and a salad sandwich.
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I think there's at least a ghost of such a distinction in AmE. But maybe
just a ghost. I used to contend that heros (approx.
subs/grinders/hoagies, etc.) were not sandwiches, but I no longer contend
this in a strong way.
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A hamburger patty differs substantially from
normative sandwich fillings or meats in both structure and function.
Take a hamburger bun and put peanut butter on the inside of one half
and jelly on the inside of the other half, and put them together, and you
have a sandwich.
In Australia, called a roll.
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I'd say that in AmE the mere fact that one uses a roll to make a sandwich
doesn't make it a non-sandwich. Note, though, that by "roll" I mean
something like a kaiser roll, and not a hamburger bun, but the same
analysis would apply.
Note too that you can use a kaiser roll or the like in making a hamburger. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:23 am
Post subject: Re: burger [was: Re: Is a thumb a finger?} |
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Bob Cunningham wrote:
| Quote: | On 9 Nov 2005 19:17:18 GMT, "Default User"
defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> said:
Bob Cunningham wrote:
On 9 Nov 2005 00:04:59 GMT, "Default User"
defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> said:
Bob Cunningham wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:40:40 +0000 (UTC), Salvatore Volatile
me@privacy.net> said:
[...]
Take a hamburger bun and put peanut butter on the inside of
one half and jelly on the inside of the other half, and put
them together, and you have a sandwich.
To me it sounds more like a peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger.
(That was a joke.)
I would expect that to be peanut butter and jelly, on a burger.
For me, the hamburger is the whole works: bun, meat patty,
tomato, onion, lettuce, dill pickle, and catsup or mustard
or a suitable sauce.
The only essential of those is the patty and bread. It's still a
burger without tomato, without onion (blech), without lettuce (no
thanks), without pickle, without ketchup (definitely without that),
without mustard, without sauce.
Of course. I didn't say all of those ingredients were
essential in order to call the result a hamburger. But if
they are present, then each of them is a part of the
hamburger.
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As would be with a sandwich.
| Quote: | Let me say, though, that without at least the
ingredients I listed, the result is not a good hamburger.
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You are entitled to your opinion, as bad as that might be.
| Quote: | And the slice of white onion that you bleched at is
indispensable to a good hamburger.
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I disagree.
| Quote: | A couple of green chiles
and a little sliced avocado are nice additions,
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Eeeewwwwwwwwww.
| Quote: | Even without a bun as long as some other
suitable bread is substituted.
Without a genuine bun, and with bread substituted, we no
longer have a hamburger. We have a ground-beef sandwich.
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No, we don't.
| Quote: | The peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger comprises the bun, the
peanut butter, and the jelly.
That is not a burger of any sort.
In the realm of lighthearted banter, peanut butter and jelly
on a bun would make a peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger.
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It would make nothing of the sort.
| Quote: | Are we having fun yet?
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I'm obviously more serious about the matter. Too much time on
rec.food.cooking, perhaps.
| Quote: | Your concept seems to be that the bun alone is the burger.
To each his own.
I most certainly did NOT state anything of the sort, in fact the
opposite. The bun does not a burger make.
You said the following:
I would expect that to be peanut butter and
jelly, on a burger.
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Yes, on a burger. You snipped essential material.
| Quote: | According to the poster who brought up the peanut butter and
jelly concoction, the peanut butter and jelly were to be put
on the bun. No other ingredients were specified. You said
the peanut butter and jelly were on a burger. When you say
that the peanut butter and jelly that are on a bun are on a
burger, you are implying that the bun is the burger.
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No, I did NOT say that. Here's is the relevant portion:
| Quote: | To me it sounds more like a peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger.
I would expect that to be peanut butter and jelly, on a burger.
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That is, a peanut butter and jelly burger would be a hamburger with
peanut-butter and jelly on it. Just as you listed optional atrocities
above, the peanut butter and jelly would be condiments on a burger
(shudder), not by themselves on a bun.
Brian
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won't shut up.
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:40 am
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Default User filted:
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Bob Cunningham wrote:
On 9 Nov 2005 19:17:18 GMT, "Default User"
defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> said:
Even without a bun as long as some other
suitable bread is substituted.
Without a genuine bun, and with bread substituted, we no
longer have a hamburger. We have a ground-beef sandwich.
No, we don't.
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I need corroboration on a related point...a few years ago, when my niece got her
Pharm.D., she took us all to her favorite restaurant in Tucson...both her father
and grandmother ordered tacos as part of their combo meals, and both were taken
aback to find half a grilled hamburger patty inside the taco, instead of the
expected quantity of inchoate browned ground beef...figuring Amanda had
exhibited a rare lapse in judgement, they said nothing about this atrocity....
Last weekend, Mom and I were back in Tucson and happened to have dinner at
another Mexican restaurant, where Mom ordered her usual chile relleno, with a
taco on the side...again the meat in the taco was in the form of a pressed
semicircle....
Is this a Tucson thing, or have the cooks in a selected few restaurants simply
lost their minds?...
(I, by the way, had the carne seca plate...an interesting variation on the usual
machaca, and quite tasty, but I don't know that I'd go out of my way to order it
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Bob Cunningham
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:42 am
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On 9 Nov 2005 21:23:15 GMT, "Default User"
<defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> said:
| Quote: | Bob Cunningham wrote:
On 9 Nov 2005 19:17:18 GMT, "Default User"
defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> said:
Bob Cunningham wrote:
On 9 Nov 2005 00:04:59 GMT, "Default User"
defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> said:
Bob Cunningham wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:40:40 +0000 (UTC), Salvatore Volatile
me@privacy.net> said:
[...]
Take a hamburger bun and put peanut butter on the inside of
one half and jelly on the inside of the other half, and put
them together, and you have a sandwich.
To me it sounds more like a peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger.
(That was a joke.)
I would expect that to be peanut butter and jelly, on a burger.
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| Quote: | The peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger comprises the bun, the
peanut butter, and the jelly.
That is not a burger of any sort.
In the realm of lighthearted banter, peanut butter and jelly
on a bun would make a peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger.
It would make nothing of the sort.
Are we having fun yet?
I'm obviously more serious about the matter. Too much time on
rec.food.cooking, perhaps.
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Anyone who would take seriously a suggestion that there's
any such thing as a peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger may need
help of some sort.
| Quote: | Your concept seems to be that the bun alone is the burger.
To each his own.
I most certainly did NOT state anything of the sort, in fact the
opposite. The bun does not a burger make.
You said the following:
I would expect that to be peanut butter and
jelly, on a burger.
Yes, on a burger. You snipped essential material.
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Not at all. The remark we were discussing said nothing
about any material except the bun, the peanut butter, and
the jelly. The only material that was essential to the
remark we were discussing was a bun, peanut butter, and
jelly.
| Quote: | According to the poster who brought up the peanut butter and
jelly concoction, the peanut butter and jelly were to be put
on the bun. No other ingredients were specified. You said
the peanut butter and jelly were on a burger. When you say
that the peanut butter and jelly that are on a bun are on a
burger, you are implying that the bun is the burger.
No, I did NOT say that. Here's is the relevant portion:
To me it sounds more like a peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger.
I would expect that to be peanut butter and jelly, on a burger.
That is, a peanut butter and jelly burger would be a hamburger with
peanut-butter and jelly on it. Just as you listed optional atrocities
above, the peanut butter and jelly would be condiments on a burger
Ø (shudder), not by themselves on a bun. |
Please try to understand that we were discussing Mr
Volatile's remark in which he said they were by themselves
on a bun.
Okay, I've had about enough of you, but before I go I'll
belabor the obvious one more time. Our remarks had to do
with the following comment by Salvador Volatile:
Take a hamburger bun and put peanut butter on the
inside of one half and jelly on the inside of the other
half, and put them together, and you have a sandwich.
To that I commented facetiously that that sounded like a
peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger, and you responded that that
would be peanut butter and jelly, on a burger. Mr Volatile
said nothing about any ingredients except for a bun, peanut
butter, and jelly, and the latter two were to be put on the
first. It was that simple assembly that you said would be
peanut butter and jelly on a burger.
I think you need to take a few minutes to read and make an
effort to understand what Mr Volatile said, what I said, and
-- last but not least -- what you said. But I don't care
whether you do so or not.
So, goodbye forever. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 6:02 am
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Bob Cunningham wrote:
| Quote: | On 9 Nov 2005 21:23:15 GMT, "Default User"
defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> said:
Anyone who would take seriously a suggestion that there's
any such thing as a peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger may need
help of some sort.
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You can't convceive of such a thing? I can. I wouldn't eat it, of
course.
| Quote: | Yes, on a burger. You snipped essential material.
Not at all. The remark we were discussing said nothing
about any material except the bun, the peanut butter, and
the jelly. The only material that was essential to the
remark we were discussing was a bun, peanut butter, and
jelly.
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And then the claim was made that such a thing was a peanut butter and
jelly burger. I disputed that, and said I would consider that term to
mean peanut butter and jelly on a hamburger.
| Quote: | That is, a peanut butter and jelly burger would be a hamburger with
peanut-butter and jelly on it. Just as you listed optional
atrocities above, the peanut butter and jelly would be condiments
on a burger
Ø (shudder), not by themselves on a bun.
Please try to understand that we were discussing Mr
Volatile's remark in which he said they were by themselves
on a bun.
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Which I said would NOT be a peanut butter and jelly burger.
| Quote: | Okay, I've had about enough of you, but before I go I'll
belabor the obvious one more time. Our remarks had to do
with the following comment by Salvador Volatile:
Take a hamburger bun and put peanut butter on the
inside of one half and jelly on the inside of the other
half, and put them together, and you have a sandwich.
To that I commented facetiously that that sounded like a
peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger, and you responded that that
would be peanut butter and jelly, on a burger.
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Right. Your term, "peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger" would mean peanut
butter and jelly on a burger. I did not say nor mean to imply anything
about his sandwich, but about the term you coined.
| Quote: | I think you need to take a few minutes to read and make an
effort to understand what Mr Volatile said, what I said, and
-- last but not least -- what you said. But I don't care
whether you do so or not.
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I wasn't responding to him. I was responding to you. The attributions
and context are clear. I'm sorry you are unable to understand.
Brian
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won't shut up.
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Robert Bannister
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 6:23 am
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JF wrote:
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In message <a1k2n1dged52mcp3fl63sbgtepmhfci8mp@4ax.com>, Bob Cunningham
exw6sxq@earthlink.net> writes
For me, the hamburger is the whole works: bun, meat patty,
tomato, onion, lettuce, dill pickle, and catsup or mustard
or a suitable sauce.
The first hamburger chain to open in southern England were Wimpy. I can
still remember one opening in Kingston-upon-Thames around 1958. They
used to toast the bap and serve their hamburgers (called Wimpys) hot and
were quite palatable. The other bits, onion and lettuce etc, were
available as a side dish. I find the preference today for limp, steamed
lettuce and patties that are warm rather than hot among the
hamburger-eating classes is most odd.
For Wimpys with cheese, a slice of Cheddar would be used under the grill
and served bubbling hot. Today England is bursting at the seams with
Cheddar cheese and yet most hamburger chefs in fast warm food outlets
prefer to use ghastly processed cheese that doesn't melt properly. Most
odd.
Ugh! I remember Wimpys. Can't think why I used to eat them. They were so |
dry and tasteless. In my memory, there was very little inside the burger
apart from the extremely small piece of meat.
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Jeffrey Turner
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 6:47 am
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Default User wrote:
| Quote: | Tony Cooper wrote:
One of my favorite sandwiches was the Frisch's Tenderloin. It was a
huge piece of breaded pork tenderloin in a bun. For some reason I
always put ketchup on this sandwich even though I don't put ketchup on
any other meat.
This is a very common sandwich in Iowa and available in other states,
particularly nearby ones.
If you doubt that a hamburger is a sandwich because the meat is not a
normative sandwich filling, then do you also deny the Frisch's
Tenderloin the status of "sandwich"?
I don't. It's a sandwich. A hamburger is a hamburger because it's built
around a hamburger patty. It is different. For the same reason I
wouldn't call a hotdog a sandwich, even though it's served in a split
bun. It's not even the materials, I call a Maid-Rite (loose cooked
ground beef) a sandwich even though its base meat is the same as a
hamburger. But it ain't a hamburger.
I would call the tenderloin sandwich a sandwich. As does this fellow,
along with many others:
http://www.allenbukoff.com/wildBPTiowa03/
I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if the restaurant you mention
didn't call it a sandwich on the menu as well.
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I'm with you, if a hamburger patty is involved then you've got a
hamburger not a sandwich. Likewise for a hot dog, which is a
dog (could be a chili dog, etc.,). Anything else, well, you've
got steak sandwiches, etc.,.
But I've seen hamburgers under sandwiches on some menus in the
US.
--Jeff
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