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Richard Bollard
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 7:59 am
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On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:30:14 +0000 (UTC), Salvatore Volatile
<me@privacy.net> wrote:
| Quote: | JF wrote:
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In message <dkr2g8$ufh$1@news.wss.yale.edu>, Salvatore Volatile
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I think it's the hamburger -- the meat itself -- that prevents a hamburger
from being a sandwich.
The pattie has nothing to with it. It's the lack of two slices of bread,
or a single folded slice, that determines that it's not a sandwich.
You talking baps or burgers? If hamburgers, define "bread" and "slice".
I think a hamburger bun is enough like bread (and enough like two slices
of bread, as used in a normative sandwich) for that to not be what
distinguishes hamburgers from sandwiches.
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In Australia, usage implies that a sandwich is the sort of bread that
has the crusts along the edges, something cut from a loaf.
In sandwich bars, along with the choices for fillings, are sandwich
drift options such as "roll, toasted, foccacia, etc" normally at extra
cost. We distinguish between, say, a salad roll and a salad sandwich.
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A hamburger patty differs substantially from
normative sandwich fillings or meats in both structure and function.
Take a hamburger bun and put peanut butter on the inside of one half
and jelly on the inside of the other half, and put them together, and you
have a sandwich.
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In Australia, called a roll.
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No matter how exotic or disgusting the contents of a bap are, it's not a
sandwich.
I don't know from baps so I can't say. Check with Coop.
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Bap is a variety of roll.
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Richard Bollard
Canberra Australia
To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT.
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Bob Cunningham
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:06 am
Post subject: Re: burger [was: Re: Is a thumb a finger?} |
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On 9 Nov 2005 16:47:35 -0800, R H Draney
<dadoctah@spamcop.net> said:
| Quote: | Bob Cunningham filted:
Anyone who would take seriously a suggestion that there's
any such thing as a peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger may need
help of some sort.
Others do not share your failure of culinary imaginativeness:
http://www.usmenuguide.com/burgerbarmenu.htm
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Waddayaknow.
Peanut Butter and Jelly Burger $3.95
Warm donut, peanut butter mousse, raspberry jelly, kiwi
| Quote: | http://www.tjmulligans.com/quince/view.php/id/36
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And, again
PEANUT BUTTER AND JELLY BURGER
Live and learn. Thank you. But I'm pretty sure I'll never
order one. |
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Richard Bollard
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:07 am
Post subject: Re: burger [was: Re: Is a thumb a finger?} |
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On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:59:53 +0000, Charles Riggs <chriggs@éircom.net>
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| Quote: | To me, a hamburger can be bunless and still be a hamburger. When I eat
them without a bun I never put ketchup on them as I normally would a
bunned burger (HP sauce, mustard only, or A1 instead) -- nevertheless,
it remains a hamburger. I probably wouldn't call it a burger, though.
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In Australia, that is a rissole.
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Richard Bollard
Canberra Australia
To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT.
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Salvatore Volatile
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:50 pm
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Skitt wrote:
| Quote: | FYI:
From M-W Online:
Main Entry: hamburger
Pronunciation: 'ham-"b&r-g&r
Variant(s): or hamburg /-"b&rg/
Function: noun
Etymology: German Hamburger of Hamburg, Germany
1 a : ground beef b : a patty of ground beef
2 : a sandwich consisting of a patty of hamburger in a split typically round
bun
It's a sandwich. AHD4 agrees.
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Good thing we don't rely on dictionaries for our definitions. |
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Salvatore Volatile
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:08 pm
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Skitt wrote:
| Quote: | Salvatore Volatile wrote:
Skitt wrote:
FYI:
From M-W Online:
Main Entry: hamburger
Pronunciation: 'ham-"b&r-g&r
Variant(s): or hamburg /-"b&rg/
Function: noun
Etymology: German Hamburger of Hamburg, Germany
1 a : ground beef b : a patty of ground beef
2 : a sandwich consisting of a patty of hamburger in a split
typically round bun
It's a sandwich. AHD4 agrees.
Good thing we don't rely on dictionaries for our definitions.
Well, dictionaries document usage -- general usage, not necessarily yours.
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They document usage, but the usage they document is that of the defined
word, and not the supplied definition, if you follow me. M-W and AHD are
documenting the usage of hamburger, and they're doing so correctly; they
just happen to be using the word "sandwich" incorrectly. If their
definition of "sandwich" includes "hamburger" as an example of a sandwich,
and they do not go on to explain that this usage occurs only in special
contexts like McDonald's usage (the same folks that call McDonald's
franchises "stores"), then they are to be condemned. |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:36 am
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Default User wrote:
| Quote: | Salvatore Volatile wrote:
Default User wrote:
Bob Cunningham wrote:
In what sense does "sandwiches" include "hamburgers"? How
many Americans when asked to name all the sandwiches they
can think of would think to include hamburgers? I don't
think I would. To me a sandwich is two slices of bread with
something in between. A split hamburger bun is not two
slices of bread.
So sliced ham and Swiss cheese on a split Kaiser roll wouldn't be a
sandwich to you? It is to me.
I think it's the hamburger -- the meat itself -- that prevents a
hamburger from being a sandwich. A hamburger patty differs
substantially from normative sandwich fillings or meats in both
structure and function.
Take a hamburger bun and put peanut butter on the inside of one half
and jelly on the inside of the other half, and put them together, and
you have a sandwich.
I would tend to agree with this. Conversely, when I was kid we often
had at home hamburger patties that were served between two pieces of
white bread. That didn't make them sandwiches, they were still
hamburgers, although less desireable ones (cue the Eddie Murphy
routine on that subject).
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FYI:
From M-W Online:
Main Entry: ham·burg·er
Pronunciation: 'ham-"b&r-g&r
Variant(s): or ham·burg /-"b&rg/
Function: noun
Etymology: German Hamburger of Hamburg, Germany
1 a : ground beef b : a patty of ground beef
2 : a sandwich consisting of a patty of hamburger in a split typically round
bun
It's a sandwich. AHD4 agrees.
--
Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:45 am
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Peter Duncanson wrote:
| Quote: | Some people are born with six digits on a hand.
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And some have six fingers on both hands and six toes on both feet.
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:02 am
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Salvatore Volatile filted:
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Skitt wrote:
From M-W Online:
Main Entry: hamburger
2 : a sandwich consisting of a patty of hamburger in a split typically round
bun
It's a sandwich. AHD4 agrees.
Good thing we don't rely on dictionaries for our definitions.
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Refresh my memory...what *do* we rely on dictionaries for?...r |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:04 am
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Salvatore Volatile wrote:
| Quote: | Skitt wrote:
FYI:
From M-W Online:
Main Entry: hamburger
Pronunciation: 'ham-"b&r-g&r
Variant(s): or hamburg /-"b&rg/
Function: noun
Etymology: German Hamburger of Hamburg, Germany
1 a : ground beef b : a patty of ground beef
2 : a sandwich consisting of a patty of hamburger in a split
typically round bun
It's a sandwich. AHD4 agrees.
Good thing we don't rely on dictionaries for our definitions.
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Well, dictionaries document usage -- general usage, not necessarily yours.
--
Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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Paul Wolff
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:13 am
Post subject: Re: burger [was: Re: Is a thumb a finger?} |
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In message <dku5b702m6q@drn.newsguy.com>, R H Draney
<dadoctah@spamcop.net> writes
| Quote: | Bob Cunningham filted:
Anyone who would take seriously a suggestion that there's
any such thing as a peanut-butter-and-jelly-burger may need
help of some sort.
Others do not share your failure of culinary imaginativeness:
http://www.usmenuguide.com/burgerbarmenu.htm
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I see these people offer Newcastle Brown Ale on draft (BrE=draught):
now that's something I've never seen (or even drunk) before.
A little essential research shows an article dated 12 June this year:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2095-1650599,00.html
NEWCASTLE Brown Ale is to be relaunched in Britain on draught
later this year in a ÂŁ2m campaign aimed at younger drinkers.
The beer, which has been sold chilled on draught in America for
a number of years, has been seen as an “old man’s drink”
in the UK, where it is generally sold warm in traditional pint
bottles.
Details of the British relaunch are still under wraps, but it is
believed to include the draft option, which is available at
present in only a tiny number of pubs on Tyneside.
Is it "later this year" yet? Please? I haven't yet fully recovered
from the loss of draught McEwans's Scotch Ale oh-so-many years ago.
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Paul
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Ted Schuerzinger
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:22 am
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Somebody claiming to be R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> wrote in
news:dl090102a8m@drn.newsguy.com:
| Quote: | Good thing we don't rely on dictionaries for our definitions.
Refresh my memory...what *do* we rely on dictionaries for?...r
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Proper pronunciation. :-p
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Ted <fedya at bestweb dot net>
Oh Marge, anyone can miss Canada, all tucked away down there....
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JF
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:41 am
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In message <dl090102a8m@drn.newsguy.com>, R H Draney
<dadoctah@spamcop.net> writes
| Quote: | Salvatore Volatile filted:
Skitt wrote:
From M-W Online:
Main Entry: hamburger
2 : a sandwich consisting of a patty of hamburger in a split
typically round
bun
It's a sandwich. AHD4 agrees.
Good thing we don't rely on dictionaries for our definitions.
Refresh my memory...what *do* we rely on dictionaries for?...r
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Argument. |
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Richard Bollard
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:06 am
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 01:25:26 +0000 (UTC), Salvatore Volatile
<me@privacy.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Richard Bollard wrote:
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:30:14 +0000 (UTC), Salvatore Volatile
me@privacy.net> wrote:
You talking baps or burgers? If hamburgers, define "bread" and "slice".
I think a hamburger bun is enough like bread (and enough like two slices
of bread, as used in a normative sandwich) for that to not be what
distinguishes hamburgers from sandwiches.
In Australia, usage implies that a sandwich is the sort of bread that
has the crusts along the edges, something cut from a loaf.
In sandwich bars, along with the choices for fillings, are sandwich
drift options such as "roll, toasted, foccacia, etc" normally at extra
cost. We distinguish between, say, a salad roll and a salad sandwich.
I think there's at least a ghost of such a distinction in AmE. But maybe
just a ghost. I used to contend that heros (approx.
subs/grinders/hoagies, etc.) were not sandwiches, but I no longer contend
this in a strong way.
That will probably come to pass in Australia now that Subway is |
everywhere. They don't seem to be pushing the word "sandwich" very
strongly yet so we may resist for a while longer.
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Richard Bollard
Canberra Australia
To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT. |
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theawsomekid
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:44 pm
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i disagree
i believe that they are saying that it is different than an usual finger
witch means that it is not a finger
proving my case true
and it isnt name the thumb finger
like the index finger
the middle finger
the ring finger
the pinky finger
it is true that it is really close to a finger
but it isnt
a thumb is not a finger
what is it?
i dont know
but its not a finger
unless the word finger is in it |
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