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TedM
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:28 am
Post subject: Crosscutting challenge |
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"The crosscutting challenge would be to tailor this interface for ..."
I wonder what is "crosscut" when it comes to "challenges."
Does it all means "The problem of great importance would be ..."?
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:10 am
Post subject: Re: Crosscutting challenge |
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TedM <subbotin111@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "The crosscutting challenge would be to tailor this interface for ..."
I wonder what is "crosscut" when it comes to "challenges."
Does it all means "The problem of great importance would be ..."?
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Very interesting question. When I searched, I found it on a bureaucratic
documents, modifying other words besides "challenges" as well. But no
one was explaining it -- they all seemed to know that other bureaucrats
knew this word. As you say, it seemed to mean something like
"important," but was there anything more?
Finally, I got lucky by searching on:
"this a crosscutting * because"
where the asterisk stands for any word. That gave me two hits:
We call this a crosscutting review because it
involves many different departments.
It has the full commitment of the Prime Minister and
the Chancellor. ...
This is a crosscutting concern because the concern
stretches laterally across the static inheritance
tree in a classic object-oriented system, ...
So, if they know what they are talking about, it means a thing that cuts
across various departments, disciplines, etc.
Simplifying the search to "a crosscutting * because" gives some more.
Logging offers the prototypical example of a crosscutting concern,
because a logging strategy necessarily affects every single logged
part of the system. ...
is a crosscutting concern, because it generally crosses. many parts
of the code and can make that code difficult. to understand. ...
ICT is a theme that the Partnership for Higher Education in Africa
has identified as a crosscutting issue because it affects all
aspects of university life. ...
Do this fit your situation?
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Best -- Donna Richoux |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:30 am
Post subject: Re: Crosscutting challenge |
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On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 20:10:55 +0100, trio@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux)
wrote:
| Quote: | TedM <subbotin111@yahoo.com> wrote:
"The crosscutting challenge would be to tailor this interface for ..."
I wonder what is "crosscut" when it comes to "challenges."
Does it all means "The problem of great importance would be ..."?
Very interesting question. When I searched, I found it on a bureaucratic
documents, modifying other words besides "challenges" as well. But no
one was explaining it -- they all seemed to know that other bureaucrats
knew this word. As you say, it seemed to mean something like
"important," but was there anything more?
Finally, I got lucky by searching on:
"this a crosscutting * because"
where the asterisk stands for any word. That gave me two hits:
We call this a crosscutting review because it
involves many different departments.
It has the full commitment of the Prime Minister and
the Chancellor. ...
This is a crosscutting concern because the concern
stretches laterally across the static inheritance
tree in a classic object-oriented system, ...
So, if they know what they are talking about, it means a thing that cuts
across various departments, disciplines, etc.
Simplifying the search to "a crosscutting * because" gives some more.
Logging offers the prototypical example of a crosscutting concern,
because a logging strategy necessarily affects every single logged
part of the system. ...
is a crosscutting concern, because it generally crosses. many parts
of the code and can make that code difficult. to understand. ...
ICT is a theme that the Partnership for Higher Education in Africa
has identified as a crosscutting issue because it affects all
aspects of university life. ...
Do this fit your situation?
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I hate to over-simplify, but crosscutting is sawing across the grain.
Ripsawing is cutting with the grain.
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Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
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TedM
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:43 am
Post subject: Re: Crosscutting challenge |
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Thank you very much!
Indeed, your examples helped me to figure out yet another one from the
same text [Dept. of Energy]
"The participants recognized six foundational and vital crosscutting
themes: ..."
(In this case the themes could as well be related to each other). So
it looks like "crosscutting" has some "integrating" rather than
"disjoining" flavor about it ... |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:49 am
Post subject: Re: Crosscutting challenge |
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Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I hate to over-simplify, but crosscutting is sawing across the grain.
Ripsawing is cutting with the grain.
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True, and it's also a movie-making technique. But neither of those
appear to have a direct bearing on this bureaucratic buzzword. (Buzzsaw
word?)
M-W gives three meanings for "crosscut":
1 : to cut, go, or move across or through
2 : to cut with a crosscut saw
3 : to subject (as movie scenes) to crosscutting
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Best -- Donna Richoux |
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Don Phillipson
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:24 am
Post subject: Re: Crosscutting challenge |
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"TedM" <subbotin111@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131136995.337063.178290@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Indeed, your examples helped me to figure out yet another one from the
same text [Dept. of Energy]
"The participants recognized six foundational and vital crosscutting
themes: ..."
(In this case the themes could as well be related to each other). So
it looks like "crosscutting" has some "integrating" rather than
"disjoining" flavor about it ...
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Not to my eye it does not: the simpler meaning of (phrase)
"crosscutting themes" would be (clause) "themes that
cut across," i.e. intersect . . .
The original:
"The crosscutting challenge would be to tailor this interface for ..."
is a positive model for mixed metaphors (four in 10 words):
crosscutting -- whichever sense we find fits;
challenge cf. chivalric combat;
tailor -- bespoke clothing;
interface -- (software) engineering.
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Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada) |
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:49 am
Post subject: Re: Crosscutting challenge |
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trio@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux) writes:
| Quote: | Finally, I got lucky by searching on:
"this a crosscutting * because"
where the asterisk stands for any word. That gave me two hits:
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I'm feeling dumb, but when did Google add the ability to do that? The
star appears to stand for up to four words.
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1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |focused.
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:07 am
Post subject: Re: Crosscutting challenge |
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:30:09 GMT, Tony Cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I hate to over-simplify
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As if you could. By the way, would the correct spelling --
"oversimplify" -- be a case of oversimplification?
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Mark Brader
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:07 am
Post subject: Re: Crosscutting challenge |
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Donna Richoux:
| Quote: | Finally, I got lucky by searching on:
"this a crosscutting * because"
where the asterisk stands for any word.
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Evan Kirshenbaum:
| Quote: | I'm feeling dumb, but when did Google add the ability to do that?
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What, you don't read and memorize every one of my postings? I'm hurt. :-)
As far as I know, the first mention of that trick in this newsgroup was
on 2004-04-10 by Tony Cooper:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english/browse_thread/thread/bd5d6bf559843c4c
| Quote: | The star appears to stand for up to four words.
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Not always; I suspect it depends on what the words are.
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Mark Brader, Toronto "Don't try this at work."
msb@vex.net -- Dennis Ritchie |
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Ross Howard
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:28 pm
Post subject: Re: Crosscutting challenge |
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 05:20:07 +0000, Charles Riggs <chriggs@éircom.net>
wrought:
| Quote: | On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:30:09 GMT, Tony Cooper
tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
I hate to over-simplify
As if you could. By the way, would the correct spelling --
"oversimplify" -- be a case of oversimplification?
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That's "misoversimplifization" in DubyE.
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:52 am
Post subject: Re: Crosscutting challenge |
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:28:06 +0100, Ross Howard <gguiri@yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 05:20:07 +0000, Charles Riggs <chriggs@éircom.net
wrought:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:30:09 GMT, Tony Cooper
tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
I hate to over-simplify
As if you could. By the way, would the correct spelling --
"oversimplify" -- be a case of oversimplification?
That's "misoversimplifization" in DubyE.
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DubyE is only a step away from TCE.
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