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Pete
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:13 pm
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Why are NY Giants called Jints sometimes?
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Salvatore Volatile
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:12 pm
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | You can't say that the singing group "The Carrs" are also known as the
"The Kaws" just because people in Boston say it that way.
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Oy! In Boston people say "The Kaahs" [ka:z]. "Kaw" might be said by some
Bostonians, but a word like "core" would be said like "qua", arguably.
Also, are 'The Carrs' some Hibernic singing group, or are you referring to
the beat combo 'The Cars', who are themselves (do they still exist?) from
the Bwahston area?
Of coure, TCE is near-CIC if not CIC, and in the full-fledged Sparkian way
(since it's also FIB). So I can see how you might hear BosE "car" as
"kaw" rather than "kaah", but SparkE seems to see things differently
(Sparky has said, IINM, that he hears no difference between BosE "pack"
and BosE "park" [which are [p&k] and [pa:k] respectively]). |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:51 pm
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:13:49 GMT, Pete <Pete@how.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Why are NY Giants called Jints sometimes?
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No, but that's the phonetic spelling of the way some people pronounce
"Giants".
You can't say that the singing group "The Carrs" are also known as the
"The Kaws" just because people in Boston say it that way.
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
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Salvatore Volatile
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:56 pm
Post subject: Re: Jints |
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Sara Lorimer wrote:
| Quote: | Salvatore Volatile <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Also, are 'The Carrs' some Hibernic singing group, or are you referring to
the beat combo 'The Cars', who are themselves (do they still exist?) from
the Bwahston area?
Bawston, surely.
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No, Bwahston. Ask ray o'hara. |
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Salvatore Volatile
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Jints |
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Donna Richoux wrote:
| Quote: | Sara Lorimer <que.sara.saraDELETE@gmail.com> wrote:
Salvatore Volatile <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Also, are 'The Carrs' some Hibernic singing group, or are you referring to
the beat combo 'The Cars', who are themselves (do they still exist?) from
the Bwahston area?
Bawston, surely.
Actually Salvatore is right, locals who have that accent say something
like a fast "bo-AH-ston" and a double-you represents that.
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Aaron Dinkin, while not exactly acknowledging the truth of the "wah"
phenomenon, speculated (I'm probably severely paraphrasing here to the
pernt of inaccuracy) that what we're hearing is something like [A.@]. I
forget the term he used for that trailing schwa -- glide? I don't know
from phonetics.
A curious possibly-related thing: What I call the Boston schwa -- for
example, the non-rhotic realization of non-stressed -er in a word like
"ginger", sounds to me almost like what I think of as "ah", whereas the
New York non-rhotic schwa in similar settings sounds more like what I
think of as "uh". Thus "ginger" is "gin-jah" in Boston, "gin-juh" in New
York. I've never seen any serious discussion of this difference, but I
have to assume that what's going on is that the Boston schwa is more open
and/or more fronted, somehow, than the New York schwa. |
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Salvatore Volatile
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:56 pm
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Michael Nitabach wrote:
| Quote: | Salvatore Volatile <me@privacy.net> wrote in
Also, are 'The Carrs' some Hibernic singing group, or are you
referring to the beat combo 'The Cars', who are themselves (do
they still exist?) from the Bwahston area?
"Beat combo"? The Cars were "New Wave", and have been defunct for at
least 10 years.
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Yes, they were a New Wave beat combo. That's "New Wave" in the late 1970s
US sense, and not the late 1970s BrE sense, though there may have been
some overlap there. |
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Salvatore Volatile
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:01 pm
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Ben Zimmer wrote:
| Quote: | Michael Nitabach wrote:
Salvatore Volatile <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:dkftol$o1p$1@news.wss.yale.edu:
Also, are 'The Carrs' some Hibernic singing group, or are you
referring to the beat combo 'The Cars', who are themselves (do
they still exist?) from the Bwahston area?
"Beat combo"? The Cars were "New Wave", and have been defunct for at
least 10 years.
That's a little anachronistic joke that Sal/Areff likes to make. Every
rock band is a "beat combo".
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Although, as someone (the Omrud?) made clear, there's a difference between
"beat music" and rock (and/or rock 'n' roll). The Beatles were a "beat"
combo (hence their name?), while the Rolling Stones were rock.
I'm not sure I understand the difference, even though there are obvious
stylistic differences between early Beatles and early Stones.
It would be nize to pin this issue down. The notion of a "beat" seems to
have been important to early white rock 'n' roll fans (talking early '50s
here).
And is this "beat" the "rhythm" of rhythm 'n' blues, or a close cousin?
EMWTK. |
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Salvatore Volatile
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:28 pm
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Michael Nitabach wrote:
| Quote: | How would you characterize "Violent Femmes"? I wouldn't call them
"New Wave", nor "Punk".
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I remember them. Do they still exist? In fact, I attended a Violent
Femmes concert at Carnegie /'kArn@gi/ Hall back in 1986 (opening act
was Leo Kottke) and I had one of their albums (probably still do, but I
have no idea where it currently is). The thing I remember from that
concert was how many Long Island teenybopper types were there, and in
retrospect I suppose that was a sign of an important cultural change that
was occurring in the East Coast suburbs.
They were certainly not "New Wave". Clearly they were punk-influenced.
I'm pretty sure I didn't think of them as "punk" back when I was
listening to them. Actually, I believe that in those days I thought of
"punk" narrowly as a dead musical genre from the late '70s that had
spawned several other styles, such "hardcore", the various forms of
"New Wave", etc. I think in fact "punk" was then spoken of in precisely
such a narrow way, at least in the circles I traveled in. |
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LaReina del Perros
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:53 pm
Post subject: Re: Jints |
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 12:51:37 GMT, Tony Cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:13:49 GMT, Pete <Pete@how.com> wrote:
Why are NY Giants called Jints sometimes?
No, but that's the phonetic spelling of the way some people pronounce
"Giants".
You can't say that the singing group "The Carrs" are also known as the
"The Kaws" just because people in Boston say it that way.
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By 1962, the (baseball) Giants were playing for San Francisco, and
their rivals, the Brooklyn Dodgers, had moved to Los Angeles. And
Danny Kaye had a hit record (in California, anyway) with his "Dodgers
Song" that explicitly spelled out J I N T S -- Giants!
http://www.angelfire.com/film/dannykaye/Dodgers.htm |
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Martin Ambuhl
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:08 am
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | You can't say that the singing group "The Carrs" are also known as the
"The Kaws" just because people in Boston say it that way.
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The Boston-based group was "The Cars." I have not found a group called
"The Carrs." There seems to have been an individual recording artists
of indeterminate genre named "Pat Carrs" and a Celtic Fusion group named
"The Corrs." |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:19 am
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On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 15:12:22 +0000 (UTC), Salvatore Volatile
<me@privacy.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Tony Cooper wrote:
You can't say that the singing group "The Carrs" are also known as the
"The Kaws" just because people in Boston say it that way.
Oy! In Boston people say "The Kaahs" [ka:z]. "Kaw" might be said by some
Bostonians, but a word like "core" would be said like "qua", arguably.
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I would pronounce "Kaahs" as "Kaws".
| Quote: | Also, are 'The Carrs' some Hibernic singing group, or are you referring to
the beat combo 'The Cars', who are themselves (do they still exist?) from
the Bwahston area?
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I just made up the name as an example.
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Tony Cooper
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:24 am
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:53:03 GMT, corvina@katamail.com (LaReina del
Perros) wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 12:51:37 GMT, Tony Cooper
tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:13:49 GMT, Pete <Pete@how.com> wrote:
Why are NY Giants called Jints sometimes?
No, but that's the phonetic spelling of the way some people pronounce
"Giants".
You can't say that the singing group "The Carrs" are also known as the
"The Kaws" just because people in Boston say it that way.
By 1962, the (baseball) Giants were playing for San Francisco, and
their rivals, the Brooklyn Dodgers, had moved to Los Angeles. And
Danny Kaye had a hit record (in California, anyway) with his "Dodgers
Song" that explicitly spelled out J I N T S -- Giants!
http://www.angelfire.com/film/dannykaye/Dodgers.htm
It's just a reference to the way the name is pronounced by some. In |
the same song there's a reference to "dem bums". They are not bums
from Dem or a particular type of bum called a "dem".
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Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL |
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Sara Lorimer
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:33 am
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Salvatore Volatile <me@privacy.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Also, are 'The Carrs' some Hibernic singing group, or are you referring to
the beat combo 'The Cars', who are themselves (do they still exist?) from
the Bwahston area?
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Bawston, surely.
--
SML |
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Salvatore Volatile
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:54 am
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the Omrud wrote:
| Quote: | I suspect that the "rhythm" in Rhythm & Blues refers to the band
having a sort of continuo provided by bass and backing guitars.
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I don't think there was anything guitar-specific. I'm not sure when
"rhythm and blues" was coined as a genre name, but I believe it was in the
late 1940s, and I think guitars were rather optional in the earliest form
of the genre. It's actually a curious sort of thing that the guitar came
to be so central to rock 'n' roll.
I would guess that the rhythm may refer to the use of swing-derived and/or
boogie-woogie-influenced rhythms, emphasized by the rhythm sections of
bands, which were not necessarily emphasized in the same way in earlier
classic blues. Maybe it's really just a matter of tempo.
| Quote: | I should perhaps point out that the term "beat combo" derives in my
mind from an occasion (whether true or apocryphal) in a UK court in
the 1960s. A British judge was hearing a case in which "The
Beatles" were mentioned. "What", asked the judge, "are The
Beatles?" The barrister replied, "A popular beat combo, M'Lud".
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But is that "popular beat combo" or more specifically "popular {beat
combo}"? |
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Bertel Lund Hansen
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:54 am
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Sara Lorimer skrev:
Wouldn't that be Bawstn?
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Bertel
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