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John O'Flaherty
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:30 am
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20051103/sc_space/angerisgoodforyou
Anger is Good For You - Yahoo! News
"People who respond to stressful situations with short-term anger or
indignation have a sense of control and optimism that lacks in those
who respond with fear."
This sounds odd - it would usually be 'is lacking' rather than 'lacks'.
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:07 am
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John O'Flaherty wrote:
| Quote: | http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20051103/sc_space/angerisgoodforyou
Anger is Good For You - Yahoo! News
"People who respond to stressful situations with short-term anger or
indignation have a sense of control and optimism that lacks in those
who respond with fear."
This sounds odd - it would usually be 'is lacking' rather than
'lacks'.
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Yes, and we must wonder why the writer, Robin Lloyd, would use "lacks."
Is this usage of "lacks" common in BrE? Other Englishes? It may be that
the writer is not from the US.
Also note the name "Robin." That would most likely be a woman's name
these days in the US, but I think it's more a man's name in the UK.
NTIM, of course, unless we wish to refer to Robin as "him" or "her." (Do
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designquest10
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:08 am
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"People who respond to stressful situations with short-term anger or
indignation have a sense of control and optimism that lacks in those
who respond with fear."
---> How about this approach?
"People who respond to stressful situations with short-term anger
or indignation have a sense of control and optimism that is
absent in those who respond to such situations with fear."
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Salvatore Volatile
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:35 pm
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Mike Lyle wrote:
| Quote: | Maria Conlon wrote:
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Also note the name "Robin." That would most likely be a woman's
name
these days in the US, but I think it's more a man's name in the UK.
NTIM, of course, unless we wish to refer to Robin as "him" or
"her."
(Do we?)
Yes, "Robin", a diminutive of "Robert", seems to have lost its
masculinity half-way across the Atlantic. I suppose because of
association with a songbird?
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Possibly. Another association is that of Batman's boy wonder sidekick,
and there's the old Robin Hood (= AmE "ROBINhood"; BrE "robin *HOOD*").
There are some bona fide male AmE Robins, like Robin Williams. And the
fact that many of the female ones are actually "Robyns" tells you
something, though I'm not sure what.
| Quote: | The BrIs feminine form is "Robina" --
the name of Oliver Cromwell's sister -- though Ox. Christian Names
says it and Roberta are mainly Scottish.
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Some of the Britic femininization of names simply doesn't work in AmE.
Take "Edwina", apparently and inexplicably one of the
most popular female names in the UK, which I suspect is pretty much
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Salvatore Volatile
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:05 pm
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Laura F. Spira wrote:
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Edwin, similarly, is low on the list of popular names for boys.
I have only ever met one Edwin. Curiously, his surname was Jenner but he
was not aware of any relationship to his more famous namesake.
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I knew one American Edwin, who was from Laurelton, which I believe is not
far from where R.J. Valentine once lived, though it is relatively far from
Laurel. |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:05 pm
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Maria Conlon wrote:
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| Quote: | Also note the name "Robin." That would most likely be a woman's
name
these days in the US, but I think it's more a man's name in the UK.
NTIM, of course, unless we wish to refer to Robin as "him" or
"her."
(Do we?)
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Yes, "Robin", a diminutive of "Robert", seems to have lost its
masculinity half-way across the Atlantic. I suppose because of
association with a songbird? The BrIs feminine form is "Robina" --
the name of Oliver Cromwell's sister -- though Ox. Christian Names
says it and Roberta are mainly Scottish.
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:48 pm
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Salvatore Volatile <me@privacy.net> spake thusly:
| Quote: | Some of the Britic femininization of names simply doesn't work in AmE.
Take "Edwina", apparently and inexplicably one of the
most popular female names in the UK, which I suspect is pretty much
unknown in the US.
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Nope (I mean nope, it's not popular in the UK). I suspect that it
was last popular during the reign of Queen Victoria. I've never met
anybody named Edwina. Don't be fooled by Ab Fab or Jane Austen.
Of course, it's possible that there's been a resurgance in the last
10 years because of Ab Fab (cf Jason).
Edwin, similarly, is low on the list of popular names for boys.
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David
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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:16 am
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the Omrud wrote:
| Quote: | Salvatore Volatile <me@privacy.net> spake thusly:
Some of the Britic femininization of names simply doesn't work in AmE.
Take "Edwina", apparently and inexplicably one of the
most popular female names in the UK, which I suspect is pretty much
unknown in the US.
Nope (I mean nope, it's not popular in the UK). I suspect that it
was last popular during the reign of Queen Victoria. I've never met
anybody named Edwina. Don't be fooled by Ab Fab or Jane Austen.
Of course, it's possible that there's been a resurgance in the last
10 years because of Ab Fab (cf Jason).
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There is one fairly well known Edwina - Ms Currie. I have met two other
Edwinas, both of my generation (incidentally, exactly the same number of
women of my generation I've met who share my name) but Edwina is not a
name I hear called by the mothers of errant toddlers in supermarkets so
I doubt whether it has become fashionable more recently (unlike my own
name).
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Edwin, similarly, is low on the list of popular names for boys.
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I have only ever met one Edwin. Curiously, his surname was Jenner but he
was not aware of any relationship to his more famous namesake.
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:20 am
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Laura F. Spira <laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> spake thusly:
| Quote: | the Omrud wrote:
Salvatore Volatile <me@privacy.net> spake thusly:
Some of the Britic femininization of names simply doesn't work in AmE.
Take "Edwina", apparently and inexplicably one of the
most popular female names in the UK, which I suspect is pretty much
unknown in the US.
Nope (I mean nope, it's not popular in the UK). I suspect that it
was last popular during the reign of Queen Victoria. I've never met
anybody named Edwina. Don't be fooled by Ab Fab or Jane Austen.
Of course, it's possible that there's been a resurgance in the last
10 years because of Ab Fab (cf Jason).
There is one fairly well known Edwina - Ms Currie.
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Yes. Sadly, I have never met the redoubtable Mrs (isn't that what
she uses?) Currie. It certainly doesn't seem like a normal Liverpool
name her childhood time.
| Quote: | I have met two other
Edwinas, both of my generation (incidentally, exactly the same number of
women of my generation I've met who share my name) but Edwina is not a
name I hear called by the mothers of errant toddlers in supermarkets so
I doubt whether it has become fashionable more recently (unlike my own
name).
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Actually a search of
edwina site:.uk -currie
throws up more different Edwinas than I expected. I wonder if it's
more common in certain regions or classes. There are probably a lot
of Duchesses named Edwina.
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:39 am
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the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com> spake thusly:
| Quote: | Salvatore Volatile <me@privacy.net> spake thusly:
Some of the Britic femininization of names simply doesn't work in AmE.
Take "Edwina", apparently and inexplicably one of the
most popular female names in the UK, which I suspect is pretty much
unknown in the US.
Nope (I mean nope, it's not popular in the UK). I suspect that it
was last popular during the reign of Queen Victoria. I've never met
anybody named Edwina. Don't be fooled by Ab Fab or Jane Austen.
Of course, it's possible that there's been a resurgance in the last
10 years because of Ab Fab (cf Jason).
Edwin, similarly, is low on the list of popular names for boys.
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I searched the Census and Births/Death register for England to see
how many Edwinas were to be found. This indicates that the number of
Edwinas was never large in the 19th Century but grew steadily up to
1901 which is the last census available to voyeurs:
1901 England Census 374
1891 England Census 348
1881 England Census 214
1871 England Census 199
1851 England Census 133
Birth, Marriage, & Death Records
England and Wales, Civil Registration Index: 1837-1983 1,412
England and Wales, Civil Registration Death Index: 1984-2002 1,404
England and Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index: 1984-2000 1,161
"Laura", by comparison, is endemic:
1901 England Census 58,228
1891 England Census 47,020
1881 England Census 36,860
1871 England Census 21,370
1861 England Census 9,925
Birth, Marriage, & Death Records 328,757
England and Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index: 1984-2000
149,856
England and Wales, Civil Registration Index: 1837-1983 147,299
England and Wales, Civil Registration Death Index: 1984-2002
18,436
As a comparison there were about half a million Janes and 1.5 million
Marys.
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jerry_friedman@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:51 am
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Salvatore Volatile wrote:
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| Quote: | Some of the Britic femininization of names simply doesn't work in AmE.
Take "Edwina", apparently and inexplicably one of the
most popular female names in the UK, which I suspect is pretty much
unknown in the US.
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I've known two, I think, Edwinas in New Mexico. I can only attribute
this to what seems like a prevailing New Mexican unawareness of what
names sound silly.
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Don Aitken
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:50 am
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:20:25 GMT, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Laura F. Spira <laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> spake thusly:
the Omrud wrote:
Salvatore Volatile <me@privacy.net> spake thusly:
Some of the Britic femininization of names simply doesn't work in AmE.
Take "Edwina", apparently and inexplicably one of the
most popular female names in the UK, which I suspect is pretty much
unknown in the US.
Nope (I mean nope, it's not popular in the UK). I suspect that it
was last popular during the reign of Queen Victoria. I've never met
anybody named Edwina. Don't be fooled by Ab Fab or Jane Austen.
Of course, it's possible that there's been a resurgance in the last
10 years because of Ab Fab (cf Jason).
There is one fairly well known Edwina - Ms Currie.
Yes. Sadly, I have never met the redoubtable Mrs (isn't that what
she uses?) Currie. It certainly doesn't seem like a normal Liverpool
name her childhood time.
She seems about the right age to have been named after Edwina |
Mountbatten, who was pretty famous in her time, which was mainly the
forties, although she lived until 1961. I think you'd probably find an
upsurge in Edwinas about then.
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To email me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com" |
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mUs1Ka
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:12 am
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| Quote: | Laura F. Spira wrote:
the Omrud wrote:
Edwin, similarly, is low on the list of popular names for boys.
I have only ever met one Edwin. Curiously, his surname was Jenner
but he was not aware of any relationship to his more famous namesake.
Who is the famous Edwin Jenner? (I assume you don't mean Edward Jenner.) |
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Default User
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:20 am
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Salvatore Volatile wrote:
| Quote: | Mike Lyle wrote:
Maria Conlon wrote:
[...]
Also note the name "Robin." That would most likely be a woman's
name
these days in the US, but I think it's more a man's name in the UK.
NTIM, of course, unless we wish to refer to Robin as "him" or
"her."
(Do we?)
Yes, "Robin", a diminutive of "Robert", seems to have lost its
masculinity half-way across the Atlantic. I suppose because of
association with a songbird?
Possibly. Another association is that of Batman's boy wonder
sidekick, and there's the old Robin Hood (= AmE "ROBINhood"; BrE
"robin *HOOD*").
There are some bona fide male AmE Robins, like Robin Williams. And
the fact that many of the female ones are actually "Robyns" tells you
something, though I'm not sure what.
The BrIs feminine form is "Robina" --
the name of Oliver Cromwell's sister -- though Ox. Christian Names
says it and Roberta are mainly Scottish.
Some of the Britic femininization of names simply doesn't work in
AmE. Take "Edwina", apparently and inexplicably one of the
most popular female names in the UK, which I suspect is pretty much
unknown in the US.
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From the Social Security Adminstration lookup:
"Edwina is not in the top 1000 names for any year."
As a female name, "Robin" has been undergoing a steady decline:
Year Rank
2004 963
2000 599
1995 357
1990 201
1985 147
1980 109
As a boy's name, it enjoyed a period of popularity (although even more
popular as a girl's name) in the 50's and 60's but is basically off the
charts now:
1962 198
1961 169
1960 200
1959 194
1958 194
1957 167
1956 143
1955 158
1954 160
http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/babynames/
Brian
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Skitt
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:37 am
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Maria Conlon wrote:
| Quote: | John O'Flaherty wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20051103/sc_space/angerisgoodforyou
Anger is Good For You - Yahoo! News
"People who respond to stressful situations with short-term anger or
indignation have a sense of control and optimism that lacks in those
who respond with fear."
This sounds odd - it would usually be 'is lacking' rather than
'lacks'.
Yes, and we must wonder why the writer, Robin Lloyd, would use
"lacks."
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We must? I find the usage unremarkable.
| Quote: | Is this usage of "lacks" common in BrE? Other Englishes? It may be
that the writer is not from the US.
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Hmm.
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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