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Iain
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:00 am
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After 200 years of it being out of fashion, I see many words nowadays
spell'd like this again, such as the televis'd show, "Punk'd".
Also, "Aye" seems to be spell'd "I" again, especially in online chat
rooms " I, okay "
~Iain |
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PR
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:23 am
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Iain wrote:
| Quote: | After 200 years of it being out of fashion, I see many words nowadays
spell'd like this again, such as the televis'd show, "Punk'd".
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Therefore momentarily we fhall likely fee alfo, ye Return of ye medial S,
'tis certain. Mayhaps we fhall also officially recommence ye Capitalifation
of all Nouns, tho' thou fhouldft fcarcely notice ye Change in grocery Stores
and perfonal Correfpondance.
I feel as though I'm writing with a Lifp... |
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Iain
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:05 am
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PR wrote:
| Quote: | Iain wrote:
After 200 years of it being out of fashion, I see many words nowadays
spell'd like this again, such as the televis'd show, "Punk'd".
Therefore momentarily we fhall likely fee alfo, ye Return of ye medial S,
'tis certain. Mayhaps we fhall also officially recommence ye Capitalifation
of all Nouns, tho' thou fhouldft fcarcely notice ye Change in grocery Stores
and perfonal Correfpondance.
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It feems as if olde Orthographie hath Merit, although Grocerie Stores
are probablie the Places moft likelie to haue such Trauesties, after
chat rooms.
Howeuer, "ye" is a typographicall problemme, not an orthographicall
one.
Haue you any old newfpapers? I haue one from 1790 with "smoack" for
"smoke".
~Iain |
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Prai Jei
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:24 pm
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Iain (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message
<1131037215.237785.276340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
| Quote: | After 200 years of it being out of fashion, I see many words nowadays
spell'd like this again, such as the televis'd show, "Punk'd".
Also, "Aye" seems to be spell'd "I" again, especially in online chat
rooms " I, okay "
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"To be or not to be, I there's the point,
To Die, to fleepe, is that all? I all:"
- First quarto of Hamlet
But aye agree that in this more enlightened age we should be using the
proper word as appropriate.
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Harvey Van Sickle
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:29 pm
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On 03 Nov 2005, Iain wrote
| Quote: | After 200 years of it being out of fashion, I see many words
nowadays spell'd like this again, such as the televis'd show,
"Punk'd".
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I've often wondered -- although not enough to research it -- what
the point was of writing "spell'd".
I assume there was something more than just convenience or
shorthand going on, as dropping a single "e" from a word hardly
avoids a whole heap of writing.
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Canadian (30 years) and British (23 years)
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Prai Jei
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:19 pm
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Harvey Van Sickle (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in
message <Xns97057F0FC4474whhvans@62.253.170.163>:
| Quote: | On 03 Nov 2005, Iain wrote
After 200 years of it being out of fashion, I see many words
nowadays spell'd like this again, such as the televis'd show,
"Punk'd".
I've often wondered -- although not enough to research it -- what
the point was of writing "spell'd".
I assume there was something more than just convenience or
shorthand going on, as dropping a single "e" from a word hardly
avoids a whole heap of writing.
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At one time the final -ed was *pronounced* as a separate syllable. It must
have been a rather weak syllable for it was frequently dropped in poetry or
song, and it was originally for this purpose that the apostrophised form
was us'd. Nowadays this is the usual way the words are pronounced and the
apostrophe is no longer required to explicitly show the dropping of the
syllable, so its use now looks quaint. Au contraire, we now need a special
mark to show the rare occasions when it *is* pronounced for the sake of the
metre, usually the use of a grave accent: Blessèd are the poor in spirit.
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Harvey Van Sickle
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:25 pm
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On 05 Nov 2005, Prai Jei wrote
| Quote: | Harvey Van Sickle (or somebody else of the same name) wrote
thusly in message <Xns97057F0FC4474whhvans@62.253.170.163>:
I've often wondered -- although not enough to research it --
what the point was of writing "spell'd".
I assume there was something more than just convenience or
shorthand going on, as dropping a single "e" from a word
hardly avoids a whole heap of writing.
At one time the final -ed was *pronounced* as a separate
syllable. It must have been a rather weak syllable for it was
frequently dropped in poetry or song, and it was originally
for this purpose that the apostrophised form was us'd.
Nowadays this is the usual way the words are pronounced and
the apostrophe is no longer required to explicitly show the
dropping of the syllable, so its use now looks quaint. Au
contraire, we now need a special mark to show the rare
occasions when it *is* pronounced for the sake of the metre,
usually the use of a grave accent: Blessèd are the poor in
spirit.
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Thanks; that makes sense. (Although the accent character didn't
survive transmission, I'm familiar with the accented "e" --
probably from liturgical printing.)
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Canadian (30 years) and British (23 years)
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dcw
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:16 pm
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In article <dkif01$pr3$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>,
Prai Jei <pvstownsend@zyx-abc.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | At one time the final -ed was *pronounced* as a separate syllable. It must
have been a rather weak syllable for it was frequently dropped in poetry or
song, and it was originally for this purpose that the apostrophised form
was us'd.
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I suspect that something similar happened with -es, giving rise to the
apostrophised possesive.
David |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:54 am
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Iain <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | After 200 years of it being out of fashion, I see many words nowadays
spell'd like this again, such as the televis'd show, "Punk'd".
Also, "Aye" seems to be spell'd "I" again, especially in online chat
rooms " I, okay "
What nationality/region of contemporary speaker uses "aye" so commonly |
that it appears in online chat rooms? Abbreviated or not. Scots?
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Curious -- Donna Richoux |
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Iain
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:34 am
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dcw wrote:
| Quote: | In article <dkif01$pr3$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>,
Prai Jei <pvstownsend@zyx-abc.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
At one time the final -ed was *pronounced* as a separate syllable. It must
have been a rather weak syllable for it was frequently dropped in poetry or
song, and it was originally for this purpose that the apostrophised form
was us'd.
I suspect that something similar happened with -es, giving rise to the
apostrophised possesive.
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But the possessive was not a syllable, to my ken, at least in
mainstream medieval English.
"the deuils" = "The devil's" -- Chaucer
However, the morpheme now written as "-ed" had various vowels. The
"-it" variant lasted long in Scotland:
"Thou sleekit cowerin' tim'rous beastie" -- Burns.
"Sleeked"? Like "Winged", I suppose.
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Iain
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:35 am
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Donna Richoux wrote:
| Quote: | Iain <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote:
After 200 years of it being out of fashion, I see many words nowadays
spell'd like this again, such as the televis'd show, "Punk'd".
Also, "Aye" seems to be spell'd "I" again, especially in online chat
rooms " I, okay "
What nationality/region of contemporary speaker uses "aye" so commonly
that it appears in online chat rooms? Abbreviated or not. Scots?
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Aye, Scots.
~Iain |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:53 am
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Iain <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote:
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However, the morpheme now written as "-ed" had various vowels. The
"-it" variant lasted long in Scotland:
"Thou sleekit cowerin' tim'rous beastie" -- Burns.
"Sleeked"? Like "Winged", I suppose.
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The Dictionary of the Scots Language:
http://www.dsl.ac.uk/dsl/
Slekit, ppl. adj. Also: sleik-, sleek-, slick- and
-yt, -ed. [17th c. Eng. sleeked (1611); SLEKE v.]
Smoothed, having a smooth surface, etc. or glossy
skin, etc. Vndre the slekit sey of marbill hew;
Doug. vi xii 15. Montane toppis slekit [Sm.
sleikit] with snaw; Doug. vii Prol. 38. Hir slekyt
schuldris war array With kyngly purpour; Doug. vii
xiii 79. The gapand dedly wond ... Amyd hys sneith
and fair slekyt breist bane; Doug. xi i 94. Tydy ky
... All snog and slekit worth thir bestis skynnys;
Doug. xii Prol. 186. By reason of their ...
curling, frisling, sleeked smoothness; Urquhart
Rabelais iii viii.
Sleke, Sleik, v. [f. or f. as SLEKE adj. Cf. ME and
e.m.E. slike(n (a1225), e.m.E. slycke (1558) to make
sleek or smooth.] a. To smooth over (our) a surface,
to make (it) smooth or level. b. To rub (a person's
skin) over (with a stone). --- The sand be castin
evinli in the said pottis, and evenli slekit our;
1492 Prestwick B. Rec. 18. The said Jeane ...
rubbit and sleikit over the said chyld with thrie
inchantit stanes; 1649 Justiciary Cases III 813.
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:56 am
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:54:19 +0100, trio@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux)
wrote:
| Quote: | Iain <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote:
After 200 years of it being out of fashion, I see many words nowadays
spell'd like this again, such as the televis'd show, "Punk'd".
Also, "Aye" seems to be spell'd "I" again, especially in online chat
rooms " I, okay "
What nationality/region of contemporary speaker uses "aye" so commonly
that it appears in online chat rooms? Abbreviated or not. Scots?
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alt.culture.sailors?
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Iain
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:26 am
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:54:19 +0100, trio@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux)
wrote:
Iain <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote:
After 200 years of it being out of fashion, I see many words nowadays
spell'd like this again, such as the televis'd show, "Punk'd".
Also, "Aye" seems to be spell'd "I" again, especially in online chat
rooms " I, okay "
What nationality/region of contemporary speaker uses "aye" so commonly
that it appears in online chat rooms? Abbreviated or not. Scots?
alt.culture.sailors?
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The association between sailors and "aye" comes from the days when
"aye" or "I" was an informal "yes"\"okay" all over Britain, esp among
working class folk e.g. sea pirates, etc, who had their memorable
sayings and catchphrases, immoralising the association.
Aye can be found in Shakespear, spelt "I", in first editions.
~Iain |
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Iain
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:29 am
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Donna Richoux wrote:
| Quote: | Iain <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote:
However, the morpheme now written as "-ed" had various vowels. The
"-it" variant lasted long in Scotland:
"Thou sleekit cowerin' tim'rous beastie" -- Burns.
"Sleeked"? Like "Winged", I suppose.
The Dictionary of the Scots Language:
http://www.dsl.ac.uk/dsl/
Slekit, ppl. adj. Also: sleik-, sleek-, slick- and
-yt, -ed. [17th c. Eng. sleeked (1611); SLEKE v.]
Smoothed, having a smooth surface, etc. or glossy
skin, etc. Vndre the slekit sey of marbill hew;
Doug. vi xii 15. Montane toppis slekit [Sm.
sleikit] with snaw; Doug. vii Prol. 38. Hir slekyt
schuldris war array With kyngly purpour; Doug. vii
xiii 79. The gapand dedly wond ... Amyd hys sneith
and fair slekyt breist bane; Doug. xi i 94. Tydy ky
... All snog and slekit worth thir bestis skynnys;
Doug. xii Prol. 186. By reason of their ...
curling, frisling, sleeked smoothness; Urquhart
Rabelais iii viii.
Sleke, Sleik, v. [f. or f. as SLEKE adj. Cf. ME and
e.m.E. slike(n (a1225), e.m.E. slycke (1558) to make
sleek or smooth.] a. To smooth over (our) a surface,
to make (it) smooth or level. b. To rub (a person's
skin) over (with a stone). --- The sand be castin
evinli in the said pottis, and evenli slekit our;
1492 Prestwick B. Rec. 18. The said Jeane ...
rubbit and sleikit over the said chyld with thrie
inchantit stanes; 1649 Justiciary Cases III 813.
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Oh yeah -- He was describing a fieldmouse. However I meant "sleekit"
was like "winged" in that he was using -ed to describe a physical
property.
~Iain |
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