| Author |
Message |
Tony Cooper
Guest
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:09 am
Post subject: Re: Tooting. |
|
|
On 2 Nov 2005 18:39:54 -0800, "William" <william@lowerknowle.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | the Omrud wrote:
Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> spake thusly:
Some time ago, my son dated an English girl who worked here for a time
as a nanny. When she went back to England, my son went over to see
her. She lived in XXXX Tooting. The XXXX was Upper or Lower or East
or something. Not just Tooting.
There's Tooting and there's Tooting Bec. Also, the area around the top
end of Mitcham Road is unofficially known as Tooting Broadway, after
the Tube station (and incidentally the street).
I can't find any XXXX Tooting, but it is not unknown for Londoners to
change the name of their district in conversation to refer to a more
salubrious adjoining region. So Battersea might be referred to as
"South Chelsea". East Tooting could be Streatham in disguise.
|
A website produces:
Tooting lies south-west from Clapham, and south-east from Wandsworth :
it comprehends Upper and Lower Tooting. Upper Tooting is a hamlet of
Streatham : Lower Tooting, or Tooting Graveney, is a separate parish,
whose area is 680 acres ; the population in 1831 was 2,063. The
principal street of Upper Tooting lies along the Horsham and Worthing
road : Lower Tooting is partly on, partly to the left of the road. The
parish church of Lower Tooting has been rebuilt within the last ten
years, and is a handsome building : there is a chapel-of-ease at Upper
Tooting, or rather on Balham Hill, close to it; and there are some
dissenting places of worship. The living of Lower Tooting is a
rectory, of the clear yearly value of £374, with a glebe-house. There
are two national schools, an endowed parochial school, and an
infant-school.
| Quote: | Why would *anyone* want to pretend that Streatham is Tooting. The other
way about makes more sense. I have heard people refer to South Tooting,
to emphasise that they are nearer to Streatham than to Balham.
Of course, Tooting was the home of Wolfie "Citizen" Smith, of the
Tooting Popular Front. Come to think of it, I wonder if Ali G got
his idea of Staines from Citizen Smith.
Power to the People!
And to help place Tooting, we can also mention that it's close to
Wimbledon (so Tooting could itself be described as "East Wimbledon").
My daughter once had a flat in Morden Road. Officially it was in
Morden, but everyone living there called it "South Wimbledon" (another
Tube station).
|
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
William
Guest
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:09 am
Post subject: Re: Tooting. |
|
|
Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | A website produces:
Tooting lies south-west from Clapham, and south-east from Wandsworth :
it comprehends Upper and Lower Tooting. Upper Tooting is a hamlet of
Streatham : Lower Tooting, or Tooting Graveney, is a separate parish,
whose area is 680 acres ; the population in 1831 was 2,063. The
principal street of Upper Tooting lies along the Horsham and Worthing
road : Lower Tooting is partly on, partly to the left of the road. The
parish church of Lower Tooting has been rebuilt within the last ten
years, and is a handsome building : there is a chapel-of-ease at Upper
Tooting, or rather on Balham Hill, close to it; and there are some
dissenting places of worship. The living of Lower Tooting is a
rectory, of the clear yearly value of £374, with a glebe-house. There
are two national schools, an endowed parochial school, and an
infant-school.
|
But that was in 1842. I've not heard Upper or Lower Tooting in modern
usage. Tooting Graveney is still used, but more as a sub-area of
Tooting proper. I don't think you'll see it on road-signs.
--
WH |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
William
Guest
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:09 am
Post subject: Re: Tooting. |
|
|
the Omrud wrote:
| Quote: | Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> spake thusly:
Some time ago, my son dated an English girl who worked here for a time
as a nanny. When she went back to England, my son went over to see
her. She lived in XXXX Tooting. The XXXX was Upper or Lower or East
or something. Not just Tooting.
|
There's Tooting and there's Tooting Bec. Also, the area around the top
end of Mitcham Road is unofficially known as Tooting Broadway, after
the Tube station (and incidentally the street).
| Quote: | I can't find any XXXX Tooting, but it is not unknown for Londoners to
change the name of their district in conversation to refer to a more
salubrious adjoining region. So Battersea might be referred to as
"South Chelsea". East Tooting could be Streatham in disguise.
|
Why would *anyone* want to pretend that Streatham is Tooting. The other
way about makes more sense. I have heard people refer to South Tooting,
to emphasise that they are nearer to Streatham than to Balham.
| Quote: | Of course, Tooting was the home of Wolfie "Citizen" Smith, of the
Tooting Popular Front. Come to think of it, I wonder if Ali G got
his idea of Staines from Citizen Smith.
|
Power to the People!
| Quote: | And to help place Tooting, we can also mention that it's close to
Wimbledon (so Tooting could itself be described as "East Wimbledon").
|
My daughter once had a flat in Morden Road. Officially it was in
Morden, but everyone living there called it "South Wimbledon" (another
Tube station).
--
WH
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Jim Lawton
Guest
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:09 pm
Post subject: Re: Tooting. |
|
|
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:10:40 -0800, irwell <hook@yahoo.com> wrote:
Think you'll find it's always been there.
--
Jim
the polymoth |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
the Omrud
Guest
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Tooting. |
|
|
Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> spake thusly:
| Quote: | "Since 1842" is just the wink of an eye in England. Why would you
discard a perfectly good town name like Upper Tooting? Good Lord, one
can't go anywhere in England without someone saying that this rosebush
has been flowering since Henry II, and that stone fence is where
Charles II sat and shook a stone out of his boot on his return from
France.
|
We were in Rhodes for a holiday last week. Everybody has been asking
me if we visited any ancient ruins, but it turns out that the
Italians "restored" all the buildings on the island and rebuilt them
from the ground up, so there is very little left older than 15th
Century. That might sound old to Tony, but it's hardly worth a
special trip - the churches around here are older than that.
The buildings atop the acropolis at Lindos, where St Paul landed on
his pererations around the Med, are certainly there, but they don't
look like 1st Century constructions either. More Italian renaissance
blockwork, methinks.
--
David
=====
replace usenet with the |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ross Howard
Guest
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Tooting. |
|
|
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:54:35 GMT, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com>
wrought:
| Quote: | Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> spake thusly:
"Since 1842" is just the wink of an eye in England. Why would you
discard a perfectly good town name like Upper Tooting? Good Lord, one
can't go anywhere in England without someone saying that this rosebush
has been flowering since Henry II, and that stone fence is where
Charles II sat and shook a stone out of his boot on his return from
France.
We were in Rhodes for a holiday last week. Everybody has been asking
me if we visited any ancient ruins, but it turns out that the
Italians "restored" all the buildings on the island and rebuilt them
from the ground up, so there is very little left older than 15th
Century. That might sound old to Tony, but it's hardly worth a
special trip - the churches around here are older than that.
The buildings atop the acropolis at Lindos, where St Paul landed on
his pererations around the Med, are certainly there, but they don't
look like 1st Century constructions either. More Italian renaissance
blockwork, methinks.
|
A similar classic example of "nice idea, wrong place" architecture
over the centuries is the early-16th-century Charles V Palace and
accompanying church which someone unbrilliantly decided to plonk slap
bang in the middle of the Alhambra. Anywhere else the palace would be
considered a masterpiece of Italianate Renaissance architecture --
it's beautifully proportioned (a galleried circle within a square)
and, considering the tastes of the period, very tastefully adorned --
but raze the original mosque to put it there? I don't think so.
On its own, a Good Thing:
www.legadoandalusi.com/legado/contenido/rutas/1024/MAP28060.jpg
In context, a Bad Thing:
www.caingram.info/Spain/Pix/alhambra_w.jpg
--
Ross Howard |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tootsk
Guest
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Tooting. |
|
|
| Depends what they're made from! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Areff
Guest
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 6:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Tooting. |
|
|
Mike Lyle wrote:
| Quote: | I blame the Communists on the Island.
|
Is this the Island we associate with Uncle Fred? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
William
Guest
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 7:44 pm
Post subject: Re: Tooting. |
|
|
Tony Cooper wrote:
That phrase seems strange to these English ears. We have "stone walls"
and "wooden fences". "Stone fences" I've never heard of. A "wooden
wall", however is a whole 'nother thang:
http://www.chdt.org.uk/NetsiteCMS.php?pageid=27
--
WH |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Don Aitken
Guest
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:07 pm
Post subject: Re: Tooting. |
|
|
On 2 Nov 2005 18:39:54 -0800, "William" <william@lowerknowle.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | the Omrud wrote:
Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> spake thusly:
Some time ago, my son dated an English girl who worked here for a time
as a nanny. When she went back to England, my son went over to see
her. She lived in XXXX Tooting. The XXXX was Upper or Lower or East
or something. Not just Tooting.
There's Tooting and there's Tooting Bec. Also, the area around the top
end of Mitcham Road is unofficially known as Tooting Broadway, after
the Tube station (and incidentally the street).
I can't find any XXXX Tooting, but it is not unknown for Londoners to
change the name of their district in conversation to refer to a more
salubrious adjoining region. So Battersea might be referred to as
"South Chelsea". East Tooting could be Streatham in disguise.
Why would *anyone* want to pretend that Streatham is Tooting. The other
way about makes more sense. I have heard people refer to South Tooting,
to emphasise that they are nearer to Streatham than to Balham.
It changes as the areas themselves change. At the beginning of the |
20th century, the area now called South Lambeth (or Stockwell) was
known as North Brixton, because Brixton was a nice middle-class area.
--
Don Aitken
Mail to the From: address is not read.
To email me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
William
Guest
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:23 pm
Post subject: Re: Tooting. |
|
|
Don Aitken wrote:
| Quote: | At the beginning of the
20th century, the area now called South Lambeth (or Stockwell) was
known as North Brixton, because Brixton was a nice middle-class area.
|
Brixton's still pretty middle-class isn't it? At least, there's a lot
of BMWs about (big black ones mostly, with those one-way windows).
--
WH |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
irwell
Guest
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Tooting. |
|
|
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:09:47 GMT, Jim Lawton
<usenet1@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:10:40 -0800, irwell <hook@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:13:11 +0000, Stewart Gordon
smjg_1998@yahoo.com> wrote:
irwell wrote:
Where is Tooting?
http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/mars/marscrat.html
You win the prize.
The London Tooting is well known, the one on Mars is fairly
recent.
Think you'll find it's always been there.
A crater by by another name.............................. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
irwell
Guest
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:39 pm
Post subject: Re: Tooting. |
|
|
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:54:35 GMT, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> spake thusly:
"Since 1842" is just the wink of an eye in England. Why would you
discard a perfectly good town name like Upper Tooting? Good Lord, one
can't go anywhere in England without someone saying that this rosebush
has been flowering since Henry II, and that stone fence is where
Charles II sat and shook a stone out of his boot on his return from
France.
We were in Rhodes for a holiday last week. Everybody has been asking
me if we visited any ancient ruins, but it turns out that the
Italians "restored" all the buildings on the island and rebuilt them
from the ground up, so there is very little left older than 15th
Century.
|
Sounds like a Colossal mistake. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mike Lyle
Guest
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:08 pm
Post subject: Re: Tooting. |
|
|
irwell wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:54:35 GMT, the Omrud
usenet.omrud@gmail.com
wrote:
[...]
We were in Rhodes for a holiday last week. Everybody has been
asking
me if we visited any ancient ruins, but it turns out that the
Italians "restored" all the buildings on the island and rebuilt
them
from the ground up, so there is very little left older than 15th
Century.
Sounds like a Colossal mistake.
|
I blame the Communists on the Island.
--
Mike. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mike Lyle
Guest
|
| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:37 am
Post subject: Re: Tooting. |
|
|
Areff wrote:
| Quote: | Mike Lyle wrote:
I blame the Communists on the Island.
Is this the Island we associate with Uncle Fred?
|
You've out-literated me. The only Uncle Fred I can think of was in
the springtime -- and if that's the one you mean, I'm afraid I'm
positively ob-literated.
--
Mike. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| |
FAQ
Memberlist
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in