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PR
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:08 am
Post subject: Re: AmE "Purple" (CrayE "Violet") = BrE "Blue"? |
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jerry friedman wrote:> > "Mike Lyle" wrote:
| Quote: | There is a blue-and-white tulip, you know--_T. humilis alba coerulea_.
Small but attractive. It looks true blue to me, but it might be just a
tad purplish.
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Really? I've never heard of it. I did look it up, though, and it's pretty...
the shape looks like the little dwarf yellow and white tulips that come up
in April.
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Areff
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:52 pm
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Chris Waigl wrote:
| Quote: | Me, I'm having much more problems with what passes as "maroon". I'd call
it "burgundy" or somesuch.
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CrayE "maroon" is different from burgundy (which might not be recognized
in, at least, classical CrayE ... ITLTC). Maroon, if I'm not mistaken,
has some faint orangy tones in it that are absent from burgundy. |
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Areff
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:53 pm
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PR wrote:
| Quote: | There was no representation in the whole thing of what I think of as
chartreuse.
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OOC, are you female?
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:29 am
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R H Draney wrote:
| Quote: | PR filted:
Pantone came out with the Hexachrome color system a few years ago,
which added bright orange and bright green inks to the standard
C(yan) M(agenta) Y(ellow) (blac)K color model. It was supposed to
increase the fidelity of those colors. No one used it, though.
"Adult Swim", on the Cartoon Network, uses it when they display
program schedules during stationbreaks...they're forever annotating
listings with "new episodes Pantone this" and "series debuts Pantone
that"....
They also play background music from the subcontinent during some
breaks, and a small caption at the bottom of the slide reads "all
times and music Eastern"....r
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I have to say, the snarky "bumps" were a great addition to Adult Swim.
Brian
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If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) |
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PR
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:07 am
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R H Draney wrote:
| Quote: | PR filted:
Pantone came out with the Hexachrome color system a few years ago, which
added bright orange and bright green inks to the standard C(yan)
M(agenta)
Y(ellow) (blac)K color model. It was supposed to increase the fidelity of
those colors. No one used it, though.
"Adult Swim", on the Cartoon Network, uses it...
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I've looked at this response for two days now without noticing, but I must
finally ask the question:
I did *what*?? |
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Robert Bannister
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:07 am
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PR wrote:
| Quote: | Jitze:
There *is* sort of a standard - where named colors are equated to
RGB values - at least as defined for the Web as
"named entities" - to be used only if your boss insists because
he is anal about using "unsafe" colors on web-pages (outside the
supported gamut) and won't allow you to use the more typical
Hex RGB notation in your code.
I have them all displayed (in alphabetical order of name) on a page...
Wow, so many of those are *completely* wrong to me! Since we were talking
about purple & violet orignially, though, I'll try to limit myself to those.
That "violet" isn't violet --- it's candy pink! What they have termed
"indigo" there is the closest to violet that I can see.
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I missed that one. I do have to agree about indigo and violet. I only
looked at the ones actually labelled purple or blue.
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Robert Bannister
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:07 am
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Chris Waigl wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:25:40 +0000, Salvatore Volatile wrote:
Now I also know that roses are red and violets are blue, as the ancient
rhyme goes, but that's a whole nother issue. Crayola violet is purple; is
it blue in Britain?
I have no idea, but it might help to have some visual representation of
the colours in question. The Wikipedia article for "Crayola" supplies
this: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crayola> for those who, like me, are
unfamiliar with this particular brand.
Me, I'm having much more problems with what passes as "maroon". I'd call
it "burgundy" or somesuch.
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I called my last car maroon, but the licence said burgundy. I suppose
real maroon is a bit browner.
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Robert Bannister
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:07 am
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Jitze Couperus wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 05:35:36 -0000, msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:
Richard Fontana:
Now I also know that roses are red and violets are blue, as the ancient
rhyme goes, but that's a whole nother issue. Crayola violet is purple; is
it blue in Britain?
Chris Waigl:
I have no idea, but it might help to have some visual representation of
the colours in question. The Wikipedia article for "Crayola" supplies
this: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crayola> ...
If there's any color that a mechanism using RGB or a similar color model
-- whether via 4-color printing, color film, TV, or computer monitors --
is *least* likely to reproduce correctly, it's violet. Think about it.
If you want a reliable standard of comparison, you need to talk about
physical objects instead. Richard had the right idea by bringing crayons
into it, and other people by mentioning flowers.
There *is* sort of a standard - where named colors are equated to
RGB values - at least as defined for the Web as
"named entities" - to be used only if your boss insists because
he is anal about using "unsafe" colors on web-pages (outside the
supported gamut) and won't allow you to use the more typical
Hex RGB notation in your code.
I have them all displayed (in alphabetical order of name) on a page at
http://couperus.home.mindspring.com/colors.htm
Purple and Violet are both shown there and correspond roughly
with what I think those colors are. But there are some where I
fear the people who wrote the standard differ with me.
Frexample, what they have defined as "Deepskyblue"
is to laugh at.
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I thought that chart corresponded pretty well to how I perceive colours,
even the deepskyblue. The purple was a bit redder or pinker than I
expected, but within an acceptable range. I certainly couldn't see any
where people could confuse purple and blue.
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Robert Bannister
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:07 am
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Salvatore Volatile wrote:
| Quote: | In the past the curious topic of "purple" has been discussed here. The
strange thing about purple is that there's an official understanding of
purple, and then there's an arguably more common informal AmE
understanding of purple which corresponds closely to the Crayola notion of
"violet", purple proper (formal purple) being a much redder color than
what most Americans think of as purple most of the time.
Today I attended a talk by a fellow with a British accent and he pointed
to a Powerpoint slide thingie that had an illustration with a big area of
purple (in the informal AmE sense of Crayola violet). This British fellow
referred to that as "the blue area".
Was this a "one off", as we say in TCE, or have I discovered that BrE
thinks of informal AmE purple (Crayola violet) as "blue"?
Now I also know that roses are red and violets are blue, as the ancient
rhyme goes, but that's a whole nother issue. Crayola violet is purple; is
it blue in Britain?
I know that, with a particular computer game I play, most of the |
Americans on the bulletin board call the blue mirror a purple mirror. I
always assumed this was a PC/Mac difference, but now you're persuading
me its pondian perception.
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Rob Bannister |
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:38 pm
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PR filted:
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R H Draney wrote:
PR filted:
I've looked at this response for two days now without noticing, but I must
finally ask the question:
I did *what*??
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You, like so many before you, did this:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english/msg/9101ec4a2fb58eb3
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:41 pm
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Robert Bannister filted:
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Chris Waigl wrote:
Me, I'm having much more problems with what passes as "maroon". I'd call
it "burgundy" or somesuch.
I called my last car maroon, but the licence said burgundy. I suppose
real maroon is a bit browner.
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You can't say "maroon" on eBay's discussion forums...too many people using it in
the Bugs Bunnian sense got the word banned....r |
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Robert Bannister
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:30 am
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R H Draney wrote:
| Quote: | Robert Bannister filted:
Chris Waigl wrote:
Me, I'm having much more problems with what passes as "maroon". I'd call
it "burgundy" or somesuch.
I called my last car maroon, but the licence said burgundy. I suppose
real maroon is a bit browner.
You can't say "maroon" on eBay's discussion forums...too many people using it in
the Bugs Bunnian sense got the word banned....r
In Australia, it's pronounced "ma-roan". |
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