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sage
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:23 am
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Jordan Abel wrote:
| Quote: | On 2005-10-31, JF <jf@NOSPAMmarage.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <p6gbm11k94l0ib1jag8m36pk7ctsdmotp1@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 03:59:21 -0000, msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:
Mike Clark:
Can anybody point me to a relaible source with GB English rules
on how times sould be written - not with capital letters?
Why insist on noncapital letters? I prefer 9 AM.
Let me just point out that this is a matter of style, and
different "reliable" sources may disagree without being wrong.
True, but "9 a.m." looks awful nowadays.
The four character format is simplest of all -- 0900. It always
uses the same amount of space, even for the small hours.
Then there's the packed hex format: 7E90 - though it can go to five
digits (there are, after all, 15180 seconds in a day) it also
encodes the seconds, and if you leave out the seconds you get it
down to three digits: 9am is 21C, and the day has a total of of 5a0
minutes.
Where is this used? It looks cumbersome. Why would common folk want to |
learn it?
Cheers, Sage
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Jordan Abel
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:29 am
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On 2005-10-31, Peter Duncanson <mail@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
| Quote: | If the 24-hour clock is used there are always 4 digits in the time. For
example "00.46" (for "0.46am").
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:54 pm
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:15:20 +0000, JF <jf@NOSPAMmarage.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
| Quote: | In message <p6gbm11k94l0ib1jag8m36pk7ctsdmotp1@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 03:59:21 -0000, msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:
Mike Clark:
Can anybody point me to a relaible source with GB English rules on
how times sould be written - not with capital letters?
Why insist on noncapital letters? I prefer 9 AM.
Let me just point out that this is a matter of style, and different
"reliable" sources may disagree without being wrong.
True, but "9 a.m." looks awful nowadays.
The four character format is simplest of all -- 0900. It always uses the
same amount of space, even for the small hours.
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Best of all, yes, but try to convince the man in the street of that.
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:54 pm
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:21:56 +0000, Peter Duncanson
<mail@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
| Quote: | If the 24-hour clock is used there are always 4 digits in the time. For
example "00.46" (for "0.46am").
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In true 24-hour format, as used by the military and, increasingly so,
by others, that's 0046. You'll find some people writing 00:46 and even
00.46, but they are misguided souls.
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:54 pm
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:06:17 +0100, trio@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux)
wrote:
| Quote: | JF <jf@NOSPAMmarage.demon.co.uk> wrote:
X-No-Archive: yes
In message <jh4cm1lf16799459paigk52jfjjtt985ht@4ax.com>, Peter Duncanson
mail@peterduncanson.net> writes
The Times and the Guardian use the forms "6pm", "9am", "11.30am", and so
on. There are no spaces between the number and the "am/pm". Hours and
minutes are separated by a ".".
The minuteless form "6pm" appears to be used in narrative. However,
where time schedules are given the minutes are included.
This is the case in, for example, TV Listings:
6.00pm BBC News
6.30pm Regional News Programmes (888)
7.00pm Holiday 2006
7.30pm Inside Out
If the 24-hour clock is used there are always 4 digits in the time. For
example "00.46" (for "0.46am").
What's the full stop for? 0046 is much simpler.
1812, 1940, and 2005 don't give you pause?
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Would "the train leaves at 2005" give anyone pause? Context matters,
not that I need to tell Donna that.
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Ross Howard
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:23 pm
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:15:20 +0000, JF <jf@NOSPAMmarage.demon.co.uk>
wrought:
| Quote: | In message <p6gbm11k94l0ib1jag8m36pk7ctsdmotp1@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 03:59:21 -0000, msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:
Mike Clark:
Can anybody point me to a relaible source with GB English rules on
how times sould be written - not with capital letters?
Why insist on noncapital letters? I prefer 9 AM.
Let me just point out that this is a matter of style, and different
"reliable" sources may disagree without being wrong.
True, but "9 a.m." looks awful nowadays.
The four character format is simplest of all -- 0900. It always uses the
same amount of space, even for the small hours.
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True, but it's still a tad too Op-Center for my tastes.
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Colum Mylod
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:30 pm
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:23:01 -0500, sage <sage@allstream.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Jordan Abel wrote:
[time]
Then there's the packed hex format: 7E90 - though it can go to five
digits (there are, after all, 15180 seconds in a day) it also
encodes the seconds, and if you leave out the seconds you get it
down to three digits: 9am is 21C, and the day has a total of of 5a0
minutes.
Where is this used? It looks cumbersome. Why would common folk want to
learn it?
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Target audience are the few who do the hexadecimal Soduku in the
Independent.
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New anti-spam address cmylod at despammed dot com |
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Peter Duncanson
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:40 am
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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 02:29:09 +0000 (UTC), Jordan Abel <jmabel@purdue.edu>
wrote:
| Quote: | On 2005-10-31, Peter Duncanson <mail@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
If the 24-hour clock is used there are always 4 digits in the time. For
example "00.46" (for "0.46am").
Don't you mean 12.46am? or is that strictly an americanism?
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Yes -- my mistake. 12.56am would be usual.
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Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from a.u.e) |
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Mark Brader
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:38 am
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Peter Duncanson and Jordan Abel write:
| Quote: | If the 24-hour clock is used there are always 4 digits in the time. For
example "00.46" (for "0.46am").
Don't you mean 12.46am? or is that strictly an americanism?
Yes -- my mistake. 12.56am would be usual.
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(A quiet giggle is heard coming from the back of the room.)
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Mark Brader, Toronto "Just because it's correct doesn't
msb@vex.net make it right!" -- Jonas Schlein |
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:35 am
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Colum Mylod <cmylod@despammed.comREMOVE> spake thusly:
| Quote: | On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:23:01 -0500, sage <sage@allstream.net> wrote:
Jordan Abel wrote:
[time]
Then there's the packed hex format: 7E90 - though it can go to five
digits (there are, after all, 15180 seconds in a day) it also
encodes the seconds, and if you leave out the seconds you get it
down to three digits: 9am is 21C, and the day has a total of of 5a0
minutes.
Where is this used? It looks cumbersome. Why would common folk want to
learn it?
Target audience are the few who do the hexadecimal Soduku in the
Independent.
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What? There's a hex Sudoku in the Independent? I may have to
abandon my "no newspapers" policy.
--
David
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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:10 am
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the Omrud wrote:
| Quote: | Colum Mylod <cmylod@despammed.comREMOVE> spake thusly:
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:23:01 -0500, sage <sage@allstream.net> wrote:
Jordan Abel wrote:
[time]
Then there's the packed hex format: 7E90 - though it can go to five
digits (there are, after all, 15180 seconds in a day) it also
encodes the seconds, and if you leave out the seconds you get it
down to three digits: 9am is 21C, and the day has a total of of 5a0
minutes.
Where is this used? It looks cumbersome. Why would common folk want to
learn it?
Target audience are the few who do the hexadecimal Soduku in the
Independent.
What? There's a hex Sudoku in the Independent? I may have to
abandon my "no newspapers" policy.
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You can have my copy of the free disk with the Sudoku program they gave
away if you like - then you wouldn't have to buy the paper. I prefer the
Times program - the very hard 9x9s are still a challenge.
--
Laura
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:49 am
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Laura F. Spira <laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> spake thusly:
| Quote: | the Omrud wrote:
Colum Mylod <cmylod@despammed.comREMOVE> spake thusly:
Target audience are the few who do the hexadecimal Soduku in the
Independent.
What? There's a hex Sudoku in the Independent? I may have to
abandon my "no newspapers" policy.
You can have my copy of the free disk with the Sudoku program they gave
away if you like - then you wouldn't have to buy the paper. I prefer the
Times program - the very hard 9x9s are still a challenge.
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Thanks, but there's also one on the front of this month's PC Pro (or
similar) which I haven't loaded yet. Actually, I've never essayed a
single Sudoku as I am congenitally inclined to stay away from popular
trends. But I am drawn towards anything based on hex because of my
profession.
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David
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Harvey Van Sickle
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:54 am
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On 01 Nov 2005, the Omrud wrote
| Quote: | Laura F. Spira <laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> spake
thusly:
the Omrud wrote:
Colum Mylod <cmylod@despammed.comREMOVE> spake thusly:
Target audience are the few who do the hexadecimal Soduku
in the Independent.
What? There's a hex Sudoku in the Independent? I may have
to abandon my "no newspapers" policy.
You can have my copy of the free disk with the Sudoku program
they gave away if you like - then you wouldn't have to buy
the paper. I prefer the Times program - the very hard 9x9s
are still a challenge.
Thanks, but there's also one on the front of this month's PC
Pro (or similar) which I haven't loaded yet. Actually, I've
never essayed a single Sudoku as I am congenitally inclined to
stay away from popular trends. But I am drawn towards
anything based on hex because of my profession.
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There's one on the cover disc of "Computer Shopper" as well. I've
not loaded it -- I'm a crossword sort, not a number-puzzle type, as
it seems to me that Sudokus are probably solvable in split seconds
by a relatively straightforward bit of programming.
A propos of which, here's a clue from today's Guardian crossword,
which I suspect a program would probably find more difficult to
solve:
A distraction of questionable kudos anyone can see. (6)
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Cheers, Harvey
Canadian (30 years) and British (23 years)
For e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van |
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Peter Duncanson
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:58 am
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:38:37 -0000, msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:
| Quote: | Peter Duncanson and Jordan Abel write:
If the 24-hour clock is used there are always 4 digits in the time. For
example "00.46" (for "0.46am").
Don't you mean 12.46am? or is that strictly an americanism?
Yes -- my mistake. 12.56am would be usual.
(A quiet giggle is heard coming from the back of the room.)
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Time marches on.
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Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from a.u.e) |
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Robin Bignall
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:14 am
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:35:27 GMT, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Colum Mylod <cmylod@despammed.comREMOVE> spake thusly:
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:23:01 -0500, sage <sage@allstream.net> wrote:
Jordan Abel wrote:
[time]
Then there's the packed hex format: 7E90 - though it can go to five
digits (there are, after all, 15180 seconds in a day) it also
encodes the seconds, and if you leave out the seconds you get it
down to three digits: 9am is 21C, and the day has a total of of 5a0
minutes.
Where is this used? It looks cumbersome. Why would common folk want to
learn it?
Target audience are the few who do the hexadecimal Soduku in the
Independent.
What? There's a hex Sudoku in the Independent? I may have to
abandon my "no newspapers" policy.
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It shouldn't be any easier or harder than standard Sudoku. A recent
article in The Times stated that the game can be based around any set
of nine different symbols. The rules stay the same - no symbol can be
used twice in any row, column or 3 by 3 grid.
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Robin Bignall
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