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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:32 pm
Post subject: Re: what's the word "proctive" mean? |
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:09:32 +0800, Robert Bannister
<robban@it.net.au> wrote:
| Quote: | Ted Schuerzinger wrote:
Somebody claiming to be Robert Lieblich <robert.lieblich@verizon.net
wrote in news:4364CAA8.66D5AA5F@verizon.net:
Perhaps because there's no such word as "proctive." There, is,
however, a word "proactive," and we are fortunate to have books called
"dictionaries" that help with such things:
"Proactive" is, of course, the opposite of "propassive".
I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking that proactive is a silly
sociologists' word that we don't need.
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Yes, it is one of the silliest words in the English language. Ungood
people, only, use it. We don't need it, and I'm not so sure we need
sociologists either.
I could also do without estate agents, life insurance salesmen, used
car salesmen, American Republicans, hunters and gun owners,
Midwesterners, loud people, women who giggle, people who jog, men who
wear white socks, people who don't tip, door to door salesmen, fat
people without a medical excuse, and Belgians.
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Charles Riggs
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Weatherlawyer
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:43 pm
Post subject: If Google has it it must be true. |
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Jim Lawton wrote:
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Not so fast! Googling suggests some relationship with "protective" - I find
"skin proctive (barrier) creams"
Google search engines are not required to accept only the correct |
spelling of a word. Why a denizen of this newsgroup should appeal to
Google for verification is beyond me.
But why should the pathetic be missing from here? They are as common as
the spelling erur onthi see shure in just about every usenet group I
suppose. Mujas saddoes. |
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Jim Lawton
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:37 am
Post subject: Re: If Google has it it must be true. |
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On 31 Oct 2005 07:43:22 -0800, "Weatherlawyer" <Weatherlawyer@hotmail.com>
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Jim Lawton wrote:
Not so fast! Googling suggests some relationship with "protective" - I find
"skin proctive (barrier) creams"
Google search engines are not required to accept only the correct
spelling of a word. Why a denizen of this newsgroup should appeal to
Google for verification is beyond me.
I didn't go to Google to check the spelling, I went to see if the word was used |
in a way which _didn't_ suggest a misspelling. Sure enough it does. It is used
consistently to mean "protective" - in both general use, and as the name of
various products.
Now Bob Lieblich, to whom I was replying, accepted that, and his post is there
for you to see, so I don't see why you didn't understand.
Your general question "why go to Google" is answered by the name of this group -
Google is a place where the generality of humanity is using English, and most of
us go there for all sorts of reasons.
| Quote: | But why should the pathetic be missing from here? They are as common as
the spelling erur onthi see shure in just about every usenet group I
suppose. Mujas saddoes.
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Don't drool, there's a good lad.
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Jim
the polymoth
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Richard R. Hershberger
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:10 am
Post subject: Re: what's the word "proctive" mean? |
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Robert Bannister wrote:
| Quote: | Ted Schuerzinger wrote:
Somebody claiming to be Robert Lieblich <robert.lieblich@verizon.net
wrote in news:4364CAA8.66D5AA5F@verizon.net:
Perhaps because there's no such word as "proctive." There, is,
however, a word "proactive," and we are fortunate to have books called
"dictionaries" that help with such things:
"Proactive" is, of course, the opposite of "propassive".
I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking that proactive is a silly
sociologists' word that we don't need.
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Sociologists' word? The usual complaint I see is that it is
business-speak. What is the evidence that the word has some particular
connection with sociologists?
Richard R. Hershberger |
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William
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:06 am
Post subject: Re: what's the word "proctive" mean? |
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Charles Riggs wrote:
| Quote: | I could also do without estate agents, life insurance salesmen, used
car salesmen, American Republicans, hunters and gun owners,
Midwesterners, loud people, women who giggle, people who jog, men who
wear white socks, people who don't tip, door to door salesmen, fat
people without a medical excuse, and Belgians.
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I'm sort of with you on the rest of that list, but the Belgians!
Please. Surely you've tasted their chocolates?
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WH |
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Ted Schuerzinger
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:07 am
Post subject: Re: what's the word "proctive" mean? |
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Somebody claiming to be "Richard R. Hershberger" <rrhersh@acme.com> wrote
in news:1130785800.464266.83620@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
| Quote: | I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking that proactive is a silly
sociologists' word that we don't need.
Sociologists' word? The usual complaint I see is that it is
business-speak.
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I agree with you that it's business-speak. I guess this means we have a
synergy. Perhaps we can leverage it proactively. <barf>
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Ted <fedya at bestweb dot net>
Oh Marge, anyone can miss Canada, all tucked away down there....
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Adrian Bailey
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:07 am
Post subject: Re: If Google has it it must be true. |
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"Jim Lawton" <usenet1@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> wrote in message
news:28kcm1p2mq08bjou5q2b3sad42ima58u1a@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On 31 Oct 2005 07:43:22 -0800, "Weatherlawyer" <Weatherlawyer@hotmail.com
wrote:
Jim Lawton wrote:
Not so fast! Googling suggests some relationship with "protective" - I
find
"skin proctive (barrier) creams"
Google search engines are not required to accept only the correct
spelling of a word. Why a denizen of this newsgroup should appeal to
Google for verification is beyond me.
I didn't go to Google to check the spelling, I went to see if the word was
used
in a way which _didn't_ suggest a misspelling. Sure enough it does.
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No, it doesn't.
| Quote: | It is used
consistently
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No.
| Quote: | to mean "protective" - in both general use,
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That's a misspelling.
| Quote: | and as the name of
various products.
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That's sometimes a misspelling also.
Adrian |
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John Holmes
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:07 am
Post subject: Re: what's the word "proctive" mean? |
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Robert Lieblich wrote:
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At least -- and thank goodness -- Google has no listing for
"proctivologist."
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Well, now it gets 4 (soon to be 5) hits in Google groups, followed by:
New! Get the latest messages on proctivologist emailed to you with
Google Alerts.
It must be a manifestation of that principle that you can't observe a
system without causing perturbations in that system.
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Regards
John
for mail: my initials plus a u e
at tpg dot com dot au |
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Jim Lawton
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:38 pm
Post subject: Re: If Google has it it must be true. |
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 01:12:34 GMT, "Adrian Bailey" <dadge@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Jim Lawton" <usenet1@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> wrote in message
news:28kcm1p2mq08bjou5q2b3sad42ima58u1a@4ax.com...
On 31 Oct 2005 07:43:22 -0800, "Weatherlawyer" <Weatherlawyer@hotmail.com
wrote:
Jim Lawton wrote:
Not so fast! Googling suggests some relationship with "protective" - I
find
"skin proctive (barrier) creams"
Google search engines are not required to accept only the correct
spelling of a word. Why a denizen of this newsgroup should appeal to
Google for verification is beyond me.
I didn't go to Google to check the spelling, I went to see if the word was
used
in a way which _didn't_ suggest a misspelling. Sure enough it does.
No, it doesn't.
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I'm sorry, you are extremeley positive. I said " in a way which _didn't_ suggest
a misspelling"
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It is used
consistently
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This is a consistent use,
Extention table, also adjustable height. Solid beech wood frame and legs. Wood
veneered tops. Finished with transparent proctive varnish OR stained cherry with
transparent proctive varnish OR stained wenge transparent proctive varnish.
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to mean "protective" - in both general use,
That's a misspelling.
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Possibly
| Quote: | and as the name of
various products.
That's sometimes a misspelling also.
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Sometimes?
The question one has to ask is, "Is this a misspelling, or the birth of a new
word?".
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Jim
the polymoth |
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:01 pm
Post subject: Re: what's the word "proctive" mean? |
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William filted:
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Charles Riggs wrote:
I could also do without estate agents, life insurance salesmen, used
car salesmen, American Republicans, hunters and gun owners,
Midwesterners, loud people, women who giggle, people who jog, men who
wear white socks, people who don't tip, door to door salesmen, fat
people without a medical excuse, and Belgians.
I'm sort of with you on the rest of that list, but the Belgians!
Please. Surely you've tasted their chocolates?
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I've never understood this attitude toward Belgians...how can any nationality
that produces Rene Magritte be all bad?...r |
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The Other Fran
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:51 pm
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Bob Cunningham wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:09:45 GMT, "Pat Durkin"
durk183@sbcglobal.com> said:
"Robert Lieblich" <robert.lieblich@verizon.net> wrote in message
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At least -- and thank goodness -- Google has no listing for
"proctivologist."
I did consider "proactive", but decided the user was probably searching
for a short form for "proctological (proctologic)".
I am in favor. Maybe the exams would be shorter, as well, if that term
were adopted.
I recently saw a reference to "digital proctological
examination". Are the exams speedier when they do them
digitally rather than the old-fashioned way?
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Probably, but nobody can put their finger on why that is.
TOF |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:54 pm
Post subject: Re: what's the word "proctive" mean? |
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On 31 Oct 2005 17:41:54 -0800, "William" <william@lowerknowle.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Charles Riggs wrote:
I could also do without estate agents, life insurance salesmen, used
car salesmen, American Republicans, hunters and gun owners,
Midwesterners, loud people, women who giggle, people who jog, men who
wear white socks, people who don't tip, door to door salesmen, fat
people without a medical excuse, and Belgians.
I'm sort of with you on the rest of that list, but the Belgians!
Please. Surely you've tasted their chocolates?
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Yes, and I drank Russian vodka when the communists were in charge.
Your point?
I'm happy to hear you go along with the rest of my little list,
printed here only in part, even if only sort of.
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Charles Riggs |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:54 pm
Post subject: Re: what's the word "proctive" mean? |
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On 31 Oct 2005 11:10:00 -0800, "Richard R. Hershberger"
<rrhersh@acme.com> wrote:
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Robert Bannister wrote:
Ted Schuerzinger wrote:
Somebody claiming to be Robert Lieblich <robert.lieblich@verizon.net
wrote in news:4364CAA8.66D5AA5F@verizon.net:
Perhaps because there's no such word as "proctive." There, is,
however, a word "proactive," and we are fortunate to have books called
"dictionaries" that help with such things:
"Proactive" is, of course, the opposite of "propassive".
I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking that proactive is a silly
sociologists' word that we don't need.
Sociologists' word? The usual complaint I see is that it is
business-speak. What is the evidence that the word has some particular
connection with sociologists?
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It is a word popular with psychologists, and most everyone knows their
general level of intelligence. Faux doctors, for the ones who have
that degree.
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Charles Riggs |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:54 pm
Post subject: Re: what's the word "proctive" mean? |
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On 1 Nov 2005 00:01:44 -0800, R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> wrote:
| Quote: | William filted:
Charles Riggs wrote:
I could also do without estate agents, life insurance salesmen, used
car salesmen, American Republicans, hunters and gun owners,
Midwesterners, loud people, women who giggle, people who jog, men who
wear white socks, people who don't tip, door to door salesmen, fat
people without a medical excuse, and Belgians.
I'm sort of with you on the rest of that list, but the Belgians!
Please. Surely you've tasted their chocolates?
I've never understood this attitude toward Belgians...how can any nationality
that produces Rene Magritte be all bad?...r
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What can I say, Ron? Women who giggle aren't all bad either. No-one is
*all* bad; Stalin, it is said, was great with children, for example.
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Charles Riggs |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:54 pm
Post subject: Re: what's the word "proctive" mean? |
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:56:52 GMT, Bob Cunningham
<exw6sxq@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:09:45 GMT, "Pat Durkin"
durk183@sbcglobal.com> said:
"Robert Lieblich" <robert.lieblich@verizon.net> wrote in message
[...]
At least -- and thank goodness -- Google has no listing for
"proctivologist."
I did consider "proactive", but decided the user was probably searching
for a short form for "proctological (proctologic)".
I am in favor. Maybe the exams would be shorter, as well, if that term
were adopted.
I recently saw a reference to "digital proctological
examination". Are the exams speedier when they do them
digitally rather than the old-fashioned way?
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I won't ask what that old-fashioned way is.
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Charles Riggs |
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