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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:32 pm
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:27:58 -0800, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <John.Methuen@magersfontein.co.uk> wrote:
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Charles Riggs wrote:
In one of my existences, not as crafty Deirdre the Warlock in World of
Warcraft, where I normally do well, nor as the urbane Francis Camus in
Second Life, but as the up-and-coming hood in Grand Theft Auto, I'm
being presented with a difficult challenge one of the gun aficionados
out there may be able to help me with. I have to waste two thugs from
the opposition, driving away from me as I'm in pursuit. One of them
has a shotgun; I have only a pistol.
Do I ram their car, back off a reasonable distance while I wait for
them to get out of their car, then attempt to shoot the one then the
other?
George Clooney in "The Peacemaker" drives around nuclear weapons
scientist Nicole Kidman and is forced to dispatch some "bad guys" who
murdered his friend. He has only a handgun and a car against their
myriad of weapons and a car, so he uses his car to ram the "bad guys" in
their car effectively stunning them just long enough for him to put them
down with his pistol. It's an effective scene in an otherwise throwaway
film, might work in your video game too.
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Not only might it work, it is essential to ram their vehicle. I've
tried following them in the hope they'll stop somewhere. They never
do. The trick seems to be finding exactly what to do after one rams
them. I'm going to steal a truck, not a nice sports car as I generally
do, the next time around.
| Quote: | I can't think of a better way, for when I get too close to
them, I get blown away by the boy with the shotgun.
Shotguns are extremely lethal short range instruments. I read somewhere
that only ten percent of the people shot with handguns die but ninety
percent of the people shot with shotguns at short range do. Does the
game let you nancy boy yourself on the mean streets for the cash to buy
a boss Barrett fi'ty cal with Swarovski optics? Because that could solve
your problem.
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I may be wrong, but it seems to me the game is not open ended. Unlike
some of the more imaginative games, you have to do it their way. I
wanted to buy a better weapon, but the nearest gun shop was out of
stock of *any* kind of weapon. Of course, being that it is an American
scenario, gun shops abound. I could try looking around, or I could
beat up someone and take his gun. I did that the first time I acquired
a pistol.
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| Quote: | I'm open to any and all suggestions.
Stand just at the car's door jam and rap on the window. Ask for a light
for your smoke and when the guy says he gave that up for his health, tap
him a few new ones between his ocular vents.
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Good idea, but I have to ram the car to make the driver stop. Then
they both hop out quite rapidly. Getting out of the way of their line
of fire takes some doing.
I'll report back.
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M. J. Powell
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:00 pm
Post subject: Re: Who said I don't have a life? |
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In message <fefbm1hc2tetgqmhuvc0h1lejvmhv1pca2@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
<chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
| Quote: | On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:34:55 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <q8bam1dks09ikkilosls80t5mu87775b2u@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:34:32 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
But I don't speak American.
Oy!
Oy! Charles?
Yes?
Oh, you meant why the Oy!, I suspect. We've been down this road many
times in AUE. Not only is American the wrong word to use when
referring to the American language, I find it somewhat insulting to
educated Americans. The English we speak isn't identical to that
spoken by educated Londoners, but that doesn't make it non-English,
which "American" implies.
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A dialect, perhaps?
'Educated Londoners'? Why Londoners only?
Mike
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M. J. Powell
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:02 pm
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In message <1h59oyb.srfknl1cm7pfmN@de-ster.xs4all.nl>, J. J. Lodder
<nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> writes
| Quote: | M. J. Powell <mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
"Careen" in the sense used is perfectly standard American English.
And we've been through this before, more than once.
But I don't speak American.
Do you really believe you can avoid that completely?
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I try. I have my pet hates particularly when Americanisms are used by
journalists and media types.
Mike
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J. J. Lodder
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:50 am
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Charles Riggs <chriggs@Čircom.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:34:55 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <q8bam1dks09ikkilosls80t5mu87775b2u@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:34:32 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
But I don't speak American.
Oy!
Oy! Charles?
Yes?
Oh, you meant why the Oy!, I suspect. We've been down this road many
times in AUE. Not only is American the wrong word to use when
referring to the American language, I find it somewhat insulting to
educated Americans. The English we speak isn't identical to that
spoken by educated Londoners, but that doesn't make it non-English,
which "American" implies.
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Nothing wrong with 'American' for the American dialect of English.
It upsets only some Americans,
but everybody else understands what is meant,
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Robert Lieblich
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:07 am
Post subject: Re: Who said I don't have a life? |
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"J. J. Lodder" wrote:
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Charles Riggs <chriggs@Čircom.net> wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:34:55 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <q8bam1dks09ikkilosls80t5mu87775b2u@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:34:32 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
But I don't speak American.
Oy!
Oy! Charles?
Yes?
Oh, you meant why the Oy!, I suspect. We've been down this road many
times in AUE. Not only is American the wrong word to use when
referring to the American language, I find it somewhat insulting to
educated Americans. The English we speak isn't identical to that
spoken by educated Londoners, but that doesn't make it non-English,
which "American" implies.
Nothing wrong with 'American' for the American dialect of English.
It upsets only some Americans,
but everybody else understands what is meant,
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Everybody understands what "nigger" means. There's more to it than
that.
I must confess that referring to AmE as "American" doesn't bother me
all that much. Still, what's wrong with "AmE," at least within the
friendly confines?
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Who said I don't have a life? |
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:02:38 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
<mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | In message <1h59oyb.srfknl1cm7pfmN@de-ster.xs4all.nl>, J. J. Lodder
nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> writes
M. J. Powell <mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
"Careen" in the sense used is perfectly standard American English.
And we've been through this before, more than once.
But I don't speak American.
Do you really believe you can avoid that completely?
I try. I have my pet hates particularly when Americanisms are used by
journalists and media types.
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You're beginning to piss me off. Why should Americanisms bother you?
Briticisms don't bother me nor do they bother, I'm quite sure, most
Americans of a reasonable temperament. We all talk differently, no two
of us using the same set of expressions or having exactly the same
accent -- so what?
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Who said I don't have a life? |
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:27:18 -0500, Robert Lieblich
<robert.lieblich@verizon.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "J. J. Lodder" wrote:
Charles Riggs <chriggs@Čircom.net> wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:34:55 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <q8bam1dks09ikkilosls80t5mu87775b2u@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:34:32 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
But I don't speak American.
Oy!
Oy! Charles?
Yes?
Oh, you meant why the Oy!, I suspect. We've been down this road many
times in AUE. Not only is American the wrong word to use when
referring to the American language, I find it somewhat insulting to
educated Americans. The English we speak isn't identical to that
spoken by educated Londoners, but that doesn't make it non-English,
which "American" implies.
Nothing wrong with 'American' for the American dialect of English.
It upsets only some Americans,
but everybody else understands what is meant,
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Everyone understands it, but it is generally only the ignorant who say
it. Hi, JJ. It is excusable, though, from a European; from an
American, it is not.
| Quote: | Everybody understands what "nigger" means. There's more to it than
that.
I must confess that referring to AmE as "American" doesn't bother me
all that much.
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It may not bother you, but I'd bet my last euro you don't use the word
when referring to American English. Someone who says "I speak
American" (probably intoning it as "Amurican") instantly labels
himself as a hick. It's the sort of thing Archie Bunker used to say.
It must have been a thinko on Mike's part, since he's not, AFAIK, a
hick.
| Quote: | Still, what's wrong with "AmE," at least within the
friendly confines?
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Nothing at all.
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:54 pm
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:00:25 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
<mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | In message <fefbm1hc2tetgqmhuvc0h1lejvmhv1pca2@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:34:55 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <q8bam1dks09ikkilosls80t5mu87775b2u@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:34:32 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
But I don't speak American.
Oy!
Oy! Charles?
Yes?
Oh, you meant why the Oy!, I suspect. We've been down this road many
times in AUE. Not only is American the wrong word to use when
referring to the American language, I find it somewhat insulting to
educated Americans. The English we speak isn't identical to that
spoken by educated Londoners, but that doesn't make it non-English,
which "American" implies.
A dialect, perhaps?
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Too widespread to be called a mere dialect, I'd think, and too varied.
They are many dialects within AmE, so I don't know how AmE itself
should be termed.
| Quote: | 'Educated Londoners'? Why Londoners only?
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RP is the norm there among the educated, isn't it? It being,
supposedly and highly debatably, the model we should all strive for.
A theatrical company in Scotland -- in Edinburgh, perhaps -- is
currently staging Shakespearian plays with actors using northern
accents: highly untraditional for his works, but, from the snippets I
heard on BBC, highly effective. There's more punch from the accents in
the North, as the director put it, with emotions coming more alive
than in wishy-washy, watery, dull RP, the last being my words, not
his.
I could listen, on BBC, to the accent of that blonde weather girl from
Scotland all day long. English doesn't get any better than that.
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Linz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:35 pm
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Charles Riggs wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:00:25 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
'Educated Londoners'? Why Londoners only?
RP is the norm there among the educated, isn't it? It being,
supposedly and highly debatably, the model we should all strive for.
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No, RP isn't the norm in London among the educated. It's not the norm
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M. J. Powell
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:23 pm
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In message <426em19169ck0fgtqld5tcf8ha7o2ojj4k@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
<chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
| Quote: | On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:00:25 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <fefbm1hc2tetgqmhuvc0h1lejvmhv1pca2@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:34:55 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <q8bam1dks09ikkilosls80t5mu87775b2u@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:34:32 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
But I don't speak American.
Oy!
Oy! Charles?
Yes?
Oh, you meant why the Oy!, I suspect. We've been down this road many
times in AUE. Not only is American the wrong word to use when
referring to the American language, I find it somewhat insulting to
educated Americans. The English we speak isn't identical to that
spoken by educated Londoners, but that doesn't make it non-English,
which "American" implies.
A dialect, perhaps?
Too widespread to be called a mere dialect, I'd think, and too varied.
They are many dialects within AmE, so I don't know how AmE itself
should be termed.
'Educated Londoners'? Why Londoners only?
RP is the norm there among the educated, isn't it? It being,
supposedly and highly debatably, the model we should all strive for.
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Define educated, please.
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A theatrical company in Scotland -- in Edinburgh, perhaps -- is
currently staging Shakespearian plays with actors using northern
accents: highly untraditional for his works, but, from the snippets I
heard on BBC, highly effective. There's more punch from the accents in
the North, as the director put it, with emotions coming more alive
than in wishy-washy, watery, dull RP, the last being my words, not
his.
I could listen, on BBC, to the accent of that blonde weather girl from
Scotland all day long. English doesn't get any better than that.
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I like the accent of the blonde (coincidence?) girl who appears on the
snooker progs.
Mike
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M. J. Powell
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:29 pm
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In message <1a6em1lhk2ptc5i606d0j8mj9gj78unf3g@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
<chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
| Quote: | On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:02:38 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <1h59oyb.srfknl1cm7pfmN@de-ster.xs4all.nl>, J. J. Lodder
nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> writes
M. J. Powell <mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
"Careen" in the sense used is perfectly standard American English.
And we've been through this before, more than once.
But I don't speak American.
Do you really believe you can avoid that completely?
I try. I have my pet hates particularly when Americanisms are used by
journalists and media types.
You're beginning to piss me off. Why should Americanisms bother you?
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Sorry, I spoke badly. I meant Americanisms when used by Brit journalists
and media types. eg 'Met with'. Why can't they simply say 'The Prime
Minister met the Chancellor today to discuss...'?
| Quote: | Briticisms don't bother me nor do they bother, I'm quite sure, most
Americans of a reasonable temperament. We all talk differently, no two
of us using the same set of expressions or having exactly the same
accent -- so what?
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Indeed.
Mike
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:14 pm
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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 15:23:48 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
<mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | In message <426em19169ck0fgtqld5tcf8ha7o2ojj4k@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:00:25 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <fefbm1hc2tetgqmhuvc0h1lejvmhv1pca2@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:34:55 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <q8bam1dks09ikkilosls80t5mu87775b2u@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:34:32 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
But I don't speak American.
Oy!
Oy! Charles?
Yes?
Oh, you meant why the Oy!, I suspect. We've been down this road many
times in AUE. Not only is American the wrong word to use when
referring to the American language, I find it somewhat insulting to
educated Americans. The English we speak isn't identical to that
spoken by educated Londoners, but that doesn't make it non-English,
which "American" implies.
A dialect, perhaps?
Too widespread to be called a mere dialect, I'd think, and too varied.
They are many dialects within AmE, so I don't know how AmE itself
should be termed.
'Educated Londoners'? Why Londoners only?
RP is the norm there among the educated, isn't it? It being,
supposedly and highly debatably, the model we should all strive for.
Define educated, please.
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Mike Lyle
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M. J. Powell wrote:
| Quote: | In message <1a6em1lhk2ptc5i606d0j8mj9gj78unf3g@4ax.com>, Charles
Riggs
chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
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Sorry, I spoke badly. I meant Americanisms when used by Brit
journalists and media types. eg 'Met with'. Why can't they simply
say
'The Prime Minister met the Chancellor today to discuss...'?
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That one mildly irritates me too, but I strongly suspect that it may
not actually be an Americanism.
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Briticisms don't bother me nor do they bother, I'm quite sure,
most
Americans of a reasonable temperament. We all talk differently, no
two of us using the same set of expressions or having exactly the
same accent -- so what?
Indeed.
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<Repeated Peeve/>
What I don't like is the way broadcasters use (not always
correctly -- see "clapboard") Americanisms when there are already
distinct Briticisms. As I always say when I rave about this, there is
no such military garment as a "fatigue" in British English. BrE does
not call pavement cafes or roadside cafes "sidewalk cafes". Etc. I
speculate that it's partly that few British reporters have any
first-hand knowledge of military life, and partly that they want to
sell their reports to non-BritE networks: if the stuff is made on our
time, then it should be in our vocabulary, and they can record
another version on their own time, thank you.
More interestingly, there's some kind of near-racism sometimes
apparent. Foreigners, especially the less pink ones, are not armed:
they're "gun-toting". It carries a slight impression of pantomime.
I won't rave on. </Repeated Peeve>
(Oh, and why "gun-battle", FGS? As opposed to bows and arrows?)
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M. J. Powell
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:31 am
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In message <715fm1p7ce6teitljamkkpo0irq0nm3ebt@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
<chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
| Quote: | On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 15:23:48 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <426em19169ck0fgtqld5tcf8ha7o2ojj4k@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:00:25 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <fefbm1hc2tetgqmhuvc0h1lejvmhv1pca2@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:34:55 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <q8bam1dks09ikkilosls80t5mu87775b2u@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:34:32 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
But I don't speak American.
Oy!
Oy! Charles?
Yes?
Oh, you meant why the Oy!, I suspect. We've been down this road many
times in AUE. Not only is American the wrong word to use when
referring to the American language, I find it somewhat insulting to
educated Americans. The English we speak isn't identical to that
spoken by educated Londoners, but that doesn't make it non-English,
which "American" implies.
A dialect, perhaps?
Too widespread to be called a mere dialect, I'd think, and too varied.
They are many dialects within AmE, so I don't know how AmE itself
should be termed.
'Educated Londoners'? Why Londoners only?
RP is the norm there among the educated, isn't it? It being,
supposedly and highly debatably, the model we should all strive for.
Define educated, please.
Define the length of my dick, please.
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3.75. You supply the units.
Mike
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Mark Brader
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Mike Lyle:
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Or to grenades, flamethrowers, poison-gas shells, tanks, planes, and ships?
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Toronto more than a rich, powerful Canada...."
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