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Matti Lamprhey
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 1:27 pm
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What's a "positive abstention"? It seems that one or two British MPs
have been using them for awhile now.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4381354.stm
Matti
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Jim Lawton
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:38 pm
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 08:27:01 +0100, "Matti Lamprhey"
<matti@official-totally-reversed.com> wrote:
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But Mr Taylor insists going through both lobbies is the only way to formally
register his abstention from a vote.
"It is not a question of vacillation or indecision. There is a lack of
opportunity to register an abstention in this place, in a way that is recorded,"
says Mr Taylor.
On some issues, such as the government's incitement to religious hatred bill, Mr
Taylor wanted to register a "positive abstention".
I suppose it does have some logic, in that it demonstrates to your voters that
you were present.
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Jim
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Weatherlawyer
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:21 pm
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In Parliament only nay or yeah votes are tallied. In theory an MP can
have his say before a vote is taken but in reality this freedom of
speech is heavily controlled. I believe there are some 630 (odd 
people speaking on behalf of over 55 million so it is not suprising
some sort of order is kept on us.
Imagine a country ruled by over 600 people all staying awake long
enough to say something about anything much these days. It's enough to
make you want to votemit.
There are a variety of reasons for abstention. The party prefects
(Whips) can even arrange a suitable compromise for MPs wishing to
collaterally abstain from voting, by arranging joint absences between
the various political factions.
All a load of old cobblers anyway. Most "voters" in the UK positively
abstain from voting for anyone as a mark of their respect. No doubt
thinking:
"Bunchor tossers." and "Angins too good frum."
Both laudable tenets in my 'umbla pinion.
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Jim Lawton
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:35 pm
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On 29 Oct 2005 03:21:53 -0700, "Weatherlawyer" <Weatherlawyer@hotmail.com>
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| Quote: | In Parliament only nay or yeah votes are tallied. In theory an MP can
have his say before a vote is taken but in reality this freedom of
speech is heavily controlled. I believe there are some 630 (odd
people speaking on behalf of over 55 million so it is not suprising
some sort of order is kept on us.
Imagine a country ruled by over 600 people all staying awake long
enough to say something about anything much these days. It's enough to
make you want to votemit.
There are a variety of reasons for abstention. The party prefects
(Whips) can even arrange a suitable compromise for MPs wishing to
collaterally abstain from voting, by arranging joint absences between
the various political factions.
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I don't think that's correct. The MPs aren't abstaining in the true sense. The
logic is that in important votes, where MPs from opposite sides could clearly
get back to vote but they are doing stuff elsewhere, the Whips agree in advance
that these "paired" MPs actually won't vote, thus not affecting the result, and
saving time,money and disruption.
| Quote: |
All a load of old cobblers anyway. Most "voters" in the UK positively
abstain from voting for anyone as a mark of their respect. No doubt
thinking:
"Bunchor tossers." and "Angins too good frum."
Both laudable tenets in my 'umbla pinion.
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke
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Jim
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John Dean
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:14 pm
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Weatherlawyer wrote:
| Quote: | In Parliament only nay or yeah votes are tallied.
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Hence the Beatles' song:
"She supports you, yeah yeah yeah"
But the problem with voting in both lobbies is that the Ayes follow you
around the chamber ...
Je retrouverais mon manteau.
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John Dean
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Michèle°
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 9:20 pm
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John Dean a exprimé avec précision :
| Quote: | Weatherlawyer wrote:
In Parliament only nay or yeah votes are tallied.
Hence the Beatles' song:
"She supports you, yeah yeah yeah"
But the problem with voting in both lobbies is that the Ayes follow you
around the chamber ...
Je retrouverais mon manteau.
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Si quoi ? |
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John Dean
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:47 pm
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Michèle° wrote:
| Quote: | John Dean a exprimé avec précision :
Weatherlawyer wrote:
In Parliament only nay or yeah votes are tallied.
Hence the Beatles' song:
"She supports you, yeah yeah yeah"
But the problem with voting in both lobbies is that the Ayes follow
you around the chamber ...
Je retrouverais mon manteau.
Si quoi ?
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Coucou!
S'agit d'une formule favorite du "Fast Show".
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John Dean
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Philip Eden
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:27 am
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"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
news:dk0chb$ge4$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
| Quote: | Michèle° wrote:
John Dean a exprimé avec précision :
Weatherlawyer wrote:
In Parliament only nay or yeah votes are tallied.
Hence the Beatles' song:
"She supports you, yeah yeah yeah"
But the problem with voting in both lobbies is that the Ayes follow
you around the chamber ...
Je retrouverais mon manteau.
Si quoi ?
Coucou!
S'agit d'une formule favorite du "Fast Show".
--
At the risk of getting my arse scorchioed, Michèle is |
probably worried about a spuerfluous "s". (I thought
abut correcting that typo, but it looks so, well, cute.)
pe |
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Michèle°
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:39 am
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Philip Eden a pensé très fort :
| Quote: | "John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
Coucou!
S'agit d'une formule favorite du "Fast Show".
--
At the risk of getting my arse scorchioed, Michèle is
probably worried about a spuerfluous "s".
Yes, I am.. |
(I thought
| Quote: | abut correcting that typo, but it looks so, well, cute.)
pe |
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Michèle°
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:40 am
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John Dean a émis l'idée suivante :
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Je retrouverais mon manteau.
Si quoi ?
Coucou!
S'agit d'une formule favorite du "Fast Show".
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Coucou John !
Je ne connais pas le "Fat Show"
What is it ? |
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Adrian Bailey
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:26 am
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"Matti Lamprhey" <matti@official-totally-reversed.com> wrote in message
news:3sgmipFo68vhU1@individual.net...
| Quote: | What's a "positive abstention"? It seems that one or two British MPs
have been using them for awhile now.
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Oy!
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Philip Eden
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 4:16 am
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"Adrian Bailey" <dadge@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:COR8f.29184$iD.28121@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| Quote: | "Matti Lamprhey" <matti@official-totally-reversed.com> wrote in message
news:3sgmipFo68vhU1@individual.net...
What's a "positive abstention"? It seems that one or two British MPs
have been using them for awhile now.
Oy!
Adrian, can I ask you a personal question? Did you ever teach |
mathematics?
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John Dean
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 4:59 am
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Michèle° wrote:
| Quote: | John Dean a émis l'idée suivante :
Je retrouverais mon manteau.
Si quoi ?
Coucou!
S'agit d'une formule favorite du "Fast Show".
Coucou John !
Je ne connais pas le "Fat Show"
What is it ?
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108771/combined
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Michèle°
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:45 am
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Le 30/10/2005, John Dean a supposé :
Thanks a lot
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Raymond S. Wise
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:05 am
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Philip Eden wrote:
| Quote: | "Adrian Bailey" <dadge@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:COR8f.29184$iD.28121@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
"Matti Lamprhey" <matti@official-totally-reversed.com> wrote in message
news:3sgmipFo68vhU1@individual.net...
What's a "positive abstention"? It seems that one or two British MPs
have been using them for awhile now.
Oy!
Adrian, can I ask you a personal question? Did you ever teach
mathematics?
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I expect Adrian's objection is to the use of "awhile" after a
preposition:
| Quote: | From the entry for "awhile" in the *Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary*
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http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/awhile
[quote]
*usage* Although considered a solecism by many commentators, _awhile,_
like several other adverbs of time and place, is often used as the
object of a preposition <for _awhile_ there is a silence -- Lord
Dunsany>.
[end quote]
| Quote: | From the entry "awhile / a while" in *The American Heritage Book of
English Usage* at |
http://www.bartleby.com/64/pages/page75.html
[quote]
You may want to be careful using _a while_ after prepositions, where
traditional grammar calls for a noun as object. Thus you should write
_I'll stay for a while,_ but not _I'll stay for awhile._ Without the
preposition, either form is acceptable: _I'll stay a while_ or _I'll
stay awhile._
[end quote]
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Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com |
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