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Paul Wolff
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:12 am
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In message <Xns96FEC7F197864JOHNPF@213.123.26.234>, John Flynn
<johnpf@lineone.net> writes
| Quote: | Dave Fawthrop wrote:
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As children (1940s) we were taught various songs where "the other
place" and other euphemisms are used.
L*nc*sh*r*?
Remember the prayer: From H*ll, H*ll and H*l*f*x, good Lord deliver us". |
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David
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:23 am
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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In article <eqk7m1tukjhag3lru3h9ptcqnkj33n7m8b@4ax.com>, Dave Fawthrop
<invalid@hyphenologist.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:12:15 +0100, Paul Wolff
bounceme@two.wolff.co.uk> wrote:
| In message <Xns96FEC7F197864JOHNPF@213.123.26.234>, John Flynn
| <johnpf@lineone.net> writes
| >Dave Fawthrop wrote:
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| >[snip]
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| >> As children (1940s) we were taught various songs where "the
| >> other place" and other euphemisms are used.
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| >L*nc*sh*r*?
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| Remember the prayer: From H*ll, H*ll and H*l*f*x, good Lord deliver
| us".
Born in Hull, Live in Halifax ....... 
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Destined for....
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:40 am
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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Dave Fawthrop <invalid@hyphenologist.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 06:30:26 -0400, Subba Rao
castellan2004-mail@SPAMBUSTER.yahoo.com> wrote:
| Hello everyone,
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| I was narrating a business conversation to my girlfriend. I have
| mentioned that the business dealing lead me to a "Go to hell" attitude.
| She asked me not to use those swear words. I did not know that "Go to
| hell" was a swear word/phrase. I am under the impression that the
| F-word, s**t word etc, were considered swear words.
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| Could someone please correct me if I am wrong? Thank you in advance for
| any clarification.
Well in my parents days, c1920-1936 "hell" was a very bad word, and would
definitely be concidered swearing. As children (1940s) we were taught
various songs where "the other place" and other euphemisms are used. Even
as a child I thought this rather daft.
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There's a episode in "Penrod" by Booth Tarkington (1914) in which the
neighborhood boys decide it's okay to say "hell" as long as it is
preceded by "heaven." I see the book is on line; the relevant chapters
are here and the one following:
http://www.online-literature.com/tarkington/penrod/26/
The basic premise:
"Shut up!" cried Penrod, irritated. "Go to heaven; go to hell!"
"Oo-o-oh!" exclaimed Georgie Bassett, profoundly shocked.
Sam and Maurice, awed by Penrod's daring, ceased from turmoil,
staring wide-eyed.
"You cursed and swore!" said Georgie.
"I did not!" cried Penrod, hotly. "That isn't swearing."
"You said, `Go to a big H'!" said Georgie.
"I did not! I said, `Go to heaven,' before I said a big H. That
isn't swearing, is it, Herman? It's almost what the preacher said,
ain't it, Herman? It ain't swearing now, any more--not if you put
`go to heaven' with it, is it, Herman? You can say it all you want
to, long as you say `go to heaven' first, can't you, Herman?
Anybody can say it if the preacher says it, can't they, Herman? I
guess I know when I ain't swearing, don't I, Herman?"
Memorable consequences ensue.
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Dave Fawthrop
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:55 am
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:12:15 +0100, Paul Wolff <bounceme@two.wolff.co.uk>
wrote:
| In message <Xns96FEC7F197864JOHNPF@213.123.26.234>, John Flynn
| <johnpf@lineone.net> writes
| >Dave Fawthrop wrote:
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| >[snip]
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| >> As children (1940s) we were taught various songs where "the other
| >> place" and other euphemisms are used.
| >
| >L*nc*sh*r*?
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| Remember the prayer: From H*ll, H*ll and H*l*f*x, good Lord deliver us".
Born in Hull, Live in Halifax ....... :-)
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"Intelligent Design?" my knees say *not*.
"Intelligent Design?" my back says *not*.
More like "Incompetent design" |
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Adrian Bailey
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:24 am
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"Subba Rao" <castellan2004-mail@SPAMBUSTER.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:l6idncZSsb_e0v7eRVn-rA@adelphia.com...
| Quote: | Hello everyone,
I was narrating a business conversation to my girlfriend. I have
mentioned that the business dealing lead me to a "Go to hell" attitude.
She asked me not to use those swear words. I did not know that "Go to
hell" was a swear word/phrase.
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Of course it is.
Adrian |
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CDB
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:48 am
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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"Donna Richoux" <trio@euronet.nl> wrote in message
news:1h57qg8.1gu6p6nzmf76fN%trio@euronet.nl...
| Quote: | Dave Fawthrop <invalid@hyphenologist.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 06:30:26 -0400, Subba Rao
castellan2004-mail@SPAMBUSTER.yahoo.com> wrote:
| Hello everyone,
|
| I was narrating a business conversation to my girlfriend. I have
| mentioned that the business dealing lead me to a "Go to hell"
attitude.
| She asked me not to use those swear words. I did not know that
"Go to
| hell" was a swear word/phrase. I am under the impression that
the
| F-word, s**t word etc, were considered swear words.
|
| Could someone please correct me if I am wrong? Thank you in
advance for
| any clarification.
Well in my parents days, c1920-1936 "hell" was a very bad word, and
would
definitely be concidered swearing. As children (1940s) we were
taught
various songs where "the other place" and other euphemisms are
used. Even
as a child I thought this rather daft.
There's a episode in "Penrod" by Booth Tarkington (1914) in which
the
neighborhood boys decide it's okay to say "hell" as long as it is
preceded by "heaven." I see the book is on line; the relevant
chapters
are here and the one following:
http://www.online-literature.com/tarkington/penrod/26/
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[...]
Tarkington, and a lot of other people in his time, had great fun
playing with those taboos. In _Seventeen_, his little-girl character
Jane got permission from her mother to repeat things she shouldn't
have overheard in the first place by agreeing to replace the
swear-words with "word". I often think of her when reading the latest
work in the Joey Canon.
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:qHgKf3cSvK8J:www.readbookonline.net/read/153/4434/+%22Booth+Tarkington%22+Jane+%22+word+word+word%22&hl=en ;
or
http://tinyurl.com/bp5nh . |
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Robert Bannister
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:55 am
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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Subba Rao wrote:
| Quote: | Hello everyone,
I was narrating a business conversation to my girlfriend. I have
mentioned that the business dealing lead me to a "Go to hell" attitude.
She asked me not to use those swear words. I did not know that "Go to
hell" was a swear word/phrase. I am under the impression that the
F-word, s**t word etc, were considered swear words.
Could someone please correct me if I am wrong? Thank you in advance for
any clarification.
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When I was a boy (in England), "hell" and "damn" were definitely swear
words. Here in Australia, many small children, no doubt indoctrinated by
PCers, think that "shut up" is a swear word. Today, regrettably, there
are hardly any swear words left, or at least barely any that can't be
heard on TV.
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Giles Todd
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:01 am
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:39:23 +0000 (UTC), John Flynn
<johnpf@lineone.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Dave Fawthrop wrote:
[snip]
As children (1940s) we were taught various songs where "the other
place" and other euphemisms are used.
L*nc*sh*r*?
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Nah. The House of Commons, innit.
Giles |
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Mark Brader
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:01 am
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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Subba Rao:
| Quote: | ... the business dealing lead me to a "Go to hell" attitude.
She asked me not to use those swear words. ...
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Ray O'Hara:
| Quote: | It is a mild swear. Use "A devil may care attitude" it means the same and
won't offend anyone.
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Brian Wickham:
| Quote: | I interpret the two as having different meanings. A person who loves
to party, or burn the candle at both ends, may have a "devil may care"
attitude. But a person who says, "screw you, I'm doing it my way" has
a "go to hell" attitude.
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Agreed. A devil-may-care attitude might be a "what the hell"
attitude, but not a "go to hell" attitude.
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Mark Brader | In the face of such devastating logic as "despite
Toronto | what you say you mean, you must mean this and you
msb@vex.net | are wrong", I cede the territory. --Truly Donovan |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:39 pm
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:24:36 GMT, "Adrian Bailey" <dadge@hotmail.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | "Subba Rao" <castellan2004-mail@SPAMBUSTER.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:l6idncZSsb_e0v7eRVn-rA@adelphia.com...
Hello everyone,
I was narrating a business conversation to my girlfriend. I have
mentioned that the business dealing lead me to a "Go to hell" attitude.
She asked me not to use those swear words. I did not know that "Go to
hell" was a swear word/phrase.
Of course it is.
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The expression may be, but the girlfriend's mistake was to infer that
"hell" is a swear word. It may have been in the distant past in a
number of contexts, but no longer. "Go to hell" is one of the few
contexts I can think of where the word is part of a swear. "To hell
with you" is another, but that's about it.
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Robert Lieblich
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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Charles Riggs wrote:
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:24:36 GMT, "Adrian Bailey" <dadge@hotmail.com
wrote:
"Subba Rao" <castellan2004-mail@SPAMBUSTER.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:l6idncZSsb_e0v7eRVn-rA@adelphia.com...
Hello everyone,
I was narrating a business conversation to my girlfriend. I have
mentioned that the business dealing lead me to a "Go to hell" attitude.
She asked me not to use those swear words. I did not know that "Go to
hell" was a swear word/phrase.
Of course it is.
The expression may be, but the girlfriend's mistake was to infer that
"hell" is a swear word. It may have been in the distant past in a
number of contexts, but no longer. "Go to hell" is one of the few
contexts I can think of where the word is part of a swear. "To hell
with you" is another, but that's about it.
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Oh, hell! I thought there were more.
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Molly Mockford
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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At 07:57:34 on Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Robert Lieblich
<robert.lieblich@verizon.net> wrote in <4364C33E.75DFF94F@verizon.net>:
| Quote: | Charles Riggs wrote:
The expression may be, but the girlfriend's mistake was to infer that
"hell" is a swear word. It may have been in the distant past in a
number of contexts, but no longer. "Go to hell" is one of the few
contexts I can think of where the word is part of a swear. "To hell
with you" is another, but that's about it.
Oh, hell! I thought there were more.
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Hell's teeth! So did I.
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Molly Mockford
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin
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John Hall
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:47 pm
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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In article <JI4a+Lm3cMZDFw+J@molly.mockford>,
Molly Mockford <nospamnobody@mollymockford.me.uk> writes:
| Quote: | At 07:57:34 on Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Robert Lieblich
robert.lieblich@verizon.net> wrote in <4364C33E.75DFF94F@verizon.net>:
Charles Riggs wrote:
The expression may be, but the girlfriend's mistake was to infer that
"hell" is a swear word. It may have been in the distant past in a
number of contexts, but no longer. "Go to hell" is one of the few
contexts I can think of where the word is part of a swear. "To hell
with you" is another, but that's about it.
Oh, hell! I thought there were more.
Hell's teeth! So did I.
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Hell's bells!
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John Hall
Johnson: "Well, we had a good talk."
Boswell: "Yes, Sir, you tossed and gored several persons."
Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84); James Boswell (1740-95) |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:53 pm
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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John Hall <nospam_nov03@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <JI4a+Lm3cMZDFw+J@molly.mockford>,
Molly Mockford <nospamnobody@mollymockford.me.uk> writes:
At 07:57:34 on Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Robert Lieblich
robert.lieblich@verizon.net> wrote in <4364C33E.75DFF94F@verizon.net>:
Charles Riggs wrote:
The expression may be, but the girlfriend's mistake was to infer that
"hell" is a swear word. It may have been in the distant past in a
number of contexts, but no longer. "Go to hell" is one of the few
contexts I can think of where the word is part of a swear. "To hell
with you" is another, but that's about it.
Oh, hell! I thought there were more.
Hell's teeth! So did I.
Hell's bells!
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....and buckets of blood! (A very satisfying oath.)
"Get the hell out of here. What the hell do you think you're doing?" I
suppose many people intensify that to "fuck" nowadays.
About the mildest I can think of is "hell of a," as in "he's a helluva
guy." Which is praise, of course.
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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:18:51 +0100, Molly Mockford
<nospamnobody@mollymockford.me.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | At 04:37:10 on Sat, 29 Oct 2005, Troy Steadman
troysteadman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
1130585830.352202.229190@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>:
But "hell" and "damn" equally have non-swear-word usage; unlike say the
F or C words. The phrase "A go-to-hell attitude" is not swearing. "Go
to hell!" is.
I've never heard of "a go-to-hell attitude" - if it doesn't mean (as I
had assumed) an attitude which leads one to say "Go to hell" to
somebody, then perhaps it's an American thing.
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I hadn't heard of it either, but after reading a discussion in another
newsgour about "omnibenevolent", I can quite easily imagine a "Go to hell
attitude" as being omnimalevolent.
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http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk |
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