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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:20 am
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Pat Durkin wrote:
| Quote: | "JF" <jf@NOSPAMmarage.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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In message <tGU9f.8772$7h7.1013@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, Pat
Durkin <durk183@sbcglobal.com> writes
As Frankfurt-frankfurter,
Wien-wiener, Hamburg-hamburger. Well, we associate the names with
some
town or other, no?
I expect this has been covered in aue, but where the hell is
Beefburg? Their patties are popular in England, and I definitely
recall Howard Johnsons having them on menus in America.
Well, that "burg" is any town, I guess. So the all purpose,
nationwide preparation would be "burger--from (any) town". I thing
veggieburgers and beefburgers are commonly known. But I haven't
heard of chickie(chicken)burgers or fishburgers. I suppose there are
places in which "beefburg" is used, but that sounds more like a
nickname for a town--Kansas City, for example.
But it is getting a bit close to "iceberg", and I can't think of
meats served in heaping mountains of the stuff, or in freezing
patties.
Meatloaf, now.
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I have heard of chickenburgers and fishburgers.
Also, there's a school that had them on the menu at
http://www.mpsfns.org/PDF/SecLunchOct03.pdf#search='fishburger%20menu'
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:23 am
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JF <jf@NOSPAMmarage.demon.co.uk> writes:
| Quote: | In message <tGU9f.8772$7h7.1013@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, Pat
Durkin <durk183@sbcglobal.com> writes
As Frankfurt-frankfurter,
Wien-wiener, Hamburg-hamburger. Well, we associate the names with some
town or other, no?
I expect this has been covered in aue, but where the hell is Beefburg?
Their patties are popular in England, and I definitely recall Howard
Johnsons having them on menus in America.
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Also "Turkeyburg" and "Veggieburg".
When I studied linguistics a couple of decades ago, we called these
"burger morphs". Besides "-burger", there are "-dog" (from "hot
dog"), "-gate" (from "Watergate", the name of the hotel connected with
Nixon's scandal), "-holic" (from "alcoholic"), "-rama", (from
"panarama"), "-athon" (from "marathon"), "Mc-" (from "McDonalds"),
"rent-a-" (from "rent-a-car"), "-bot" (from "robot"), and probably
others.
Or perhaps I just imagined it, as the only place the phrase seems to
show up is in discussions here after I bring it up.
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 7:15 am
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Evan Kirshenbaum filted:
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When I studied linguistics a couple of decades ago, we called these
"burger morphs". Besides "-burger", there are "-dog" (from "hot
dog"), "-gate" (from "Watergate", the name of the hotel connected with
Nixon's scandal), "-holic" (from "alcoholic"), "-rama", (from
"panarama"), "-athon" (from "marathon"), "Mc-" (from "McDonalds"),
"rent-a-" (from "rent-a-car"), "-bot" (from "robot"), and probably
others.
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Did you get "-fest" and "-palooza"?...r
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Pat Durkin
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:01 am
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"Skitt" <skitt99@comcast.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Pat Durkin wrote:
"JF" <jf@NOSPAMmarage.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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In message <tGU9f.8772$7h7.1013@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, Pat
Durkin <durk183@sbcglobal.com> writes
As Frankfurt-frankfurter,
Wien-wiener, Hamburg-hamburger. Well, we associate the names with
some
town or other, no?
I expect this has been covered in aue, but where the hell is
Beefburg? Their patties are popular in England, and I definitely
recall Howard Johnsons having them on menus in America.
Well, that "burg" is any town, I guess. So the all purpose,
nationwide preparation would be "burger--from (any) town". I thing
veggieburgers and beefburgers are commonly known. But I haven't
heard of chickie(chicken)burgers or fishburgers. I suppose there are
places in which "beefburg" is used, but that sounds more like a
nickname for a town--Kansas City, for example.
But it is getting a bit close to "iceberg", and I can't think of
meats served in heaping mountains of the stuff, or in freezing
patties. Meatloaf, now.
I have heard of chickenburgers and fishburgers.
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We had a restaurant called "Dog and Suds", but they called them patties.
They were those pre-chewed and then French-fried thingies served up on a
(burger-type) bun.
Beyond that, fish balls and cod balls, to match with meat balls. |
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Pat Durkin
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"Evan Kirshenbaum" <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | JF <jf@NOSPAMmarage.demon.co.uk> writes:
In message <tGU9f.8772$7h7.1013@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, Pat
Durkin <durk183@sbcglobal.com> writes
As Frankfurt-frankfurter,
Wien-wiener, Hamburg-hamburger. Well, we associate the names with
some
town or other, no?
I expect this has been covered in aue, but where the hell is
Beefburg?
Their patties are popular in England, and I definitely recall Howard
Johnsons having them on menus in America.
Also "Turkeyburg" and "Veggieburg".
When I studied linguistics a couple of decades ago, we called these
"burger morphs". Besides "-burger", there are "-dog" (from "hot
dog"), "-gate" (from "Watergate", the name of the hotel connected with
Nixon's scandal), "-holic" (from "alcoholic"), "-rama", (from
"panarama"), "-athon" (from "marathon"), "Mc-" (from "McDonalds"),
"rent-a-" (from "rent-a-car"), "-bot" (from "robot"), and probably
others.
-avan (caravan).
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:09 am
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | Maria Conlon wrote:
Pat Durkin wrote:
We had a restaurant called "Dog and Suds", but they called them
patties. They were those pre-chewed and then French-fried thingies
served up on a (burger-type) bun.
Beyond that, fish balls and cod balls, to match with meat balls.
Hey, there used to be a "Dog & Suds" in Gatlinburg. This was years
ago -- I was a teenager the only time I was ever in the place. I
ordered a hot dog (AHDINAS, per Sal and me) and a Coke. I would
guess that they sold hamburgers and fries, as well.
The "Suds" part of the name ought to have represented beer, but it
didn't -- not at that place at that time.
Root beer, Maria. Root beer. The choice between Dog & Suds and A&W
was a toughie. Dog & Suds had better hot dogs, but A&W had better
root beer.
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Oh, yes. It all comes back now.
But I didn't order root beer. I don't, and never did, like root beer. In
A&W, I think I always ordered a foot-long and an orange drink. (Is that
what they had? Orange?)
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:09 am
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William ("WH") wrote:
| Quote: | Maria Conlon wrote:
Hey, there used to be a "Dog & Suds" in Gatlinburg.
Now you've gone and given me STS.
"It was Gatlinburg in mid July,
I'd just hit town and my throat was dry.
I thought I'd stop and have myself a brew.
At an old saloon on a street of mud,
There at a table, dealin' stud,
Sat the dirty, mangy dog that named me Sue".
ObAUE: I'm sure he sang "that", not "who".
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Hmm. I don't know what Johnny sang, but I'd think "that" for a "dirty,
mangy dog" could be correct.
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:09 am
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R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> writes:
| Quote: | Evan Kirshenbaum filted:
When I studied linguistics a couple of decades ago, we called these
"burger morphs". Besides "-burger", there are "-dog" (from "hot
dog"), "-gate" (from "Watergate", the name of the hotel connected
with Nixon's scandal), "-holic" (from "alcoholic"), "-rama", (from
"panarama"), "-athon" (from "marathon"), "Mc-" (from "McDonalds"),
"rent-a-" (from "rent-a-car"), "-bot" (from "robot"), and probably
others.
Did you get "-fest" and "-palooza"?...r
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"-fest" doesn't really work since it's not a reanalyzed suffix of a
preexisting word (unless the claim is that it comes from
"Oktoberfest"). "-palooza" would work. "-tastic" and "-licious" are
also there these days.
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:09 am
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"Pat Durkin" <durk183@sbcglobal.com> writes:
| Quote: | "Evan Kirshenbaum" <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> wrote in message
When I studied linguistics a couple of decades ago, we called these
"burger morphs". Besides "-burger", there are "-dog" (from "hot
dog"), "-gate" (from "Watergate", the name of the hotel connected with
Nixon's scandal), "-holic" (from "alcoholic"), "-rama", (from
"panarama"), "-athon" (from "marathon"), "Mc-" (from "McDonalds"),
"rent-a-" (from "rent-a-car"), "-bot" (from "robot"), and probably
others.
-avan (caravan).
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What has that engendered?
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:09 am
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Pat Durkin wrote:
| Quote: | Skitt wrote:
I have heard of chickenburgers and fishburgers.
We had a restaurant called "Dog and Suds", but they called them
patties. They were those pre-chewed and then French-fried thingies
served up on a (burger-type) bun.
Beyond that, fish balls and cod balls, to match with meat balls.
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Hey, there used to be a "Dog & Suds" in Gatlinburg. This was years
ago -- I was a teenager the only time I was ever in the place. I ordered
a hot dog (AHDINAS, per Sal and me) and a Coke. I would guess that they
sold hamburgers and fries, as well.
The "Suds" part of the name ought to have represented beer, but it
didn't -- not at that place at that time.
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:09 am
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On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:48:56 GMT, "Maria Conlon"
<maria.c-b@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Pat Durkin wrote:
Skitt wrote:
I have heard of chickenburgers and fishburgers.
We had a restaurant called "Dog and Suds", but they called them
patties. They were those pre-chewed and then French-fried thingies
served up on a (burger-type) bun.
Beyond that, fish balls and cod balls, to match with meat balls.
Hey, there used to be a "Dog & Suds" in Gatlinburg. This was years
ago -- I was a teenager the only time I was ever in the place. I ordered
a hot dog (AHDINAS, per Sal and me) and a Coke. I would guess that they
sold hamburgers and fries, as well.
The "Suds" part of the name ought to have represented beer, but it
didn't -- not at that place at that time.
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Root beer, Maria. Root beer. The choice between Dog & Suds and A&W
was a toughie. Dog & Suds had better hot dogs, but A&W had better
root beer.
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William
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:09 am
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Maria Conlon wrote:
| Quote: | Hey, there used to be a "Dog & Suds" in Gatlinburg.
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Now you've gone and given me STS.
"It was Gatlinburg in mid July,
I'd just hit town and my throat was dry.
I thought I'd stop and have myself a brew.
At an old saloon on a street of mud,
There at a table, dealin' stud,
Sat the dirty, mangy dog that named me Sue".
ObAUE: I'm sure he sang "that", not "who".
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John Holmes
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Mike Lyle wrote:
| Quote: | Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Robert Bannister skrev:
figures, but apparently they have now changed their minds. I have
heard that horses were worshipped in parts of Northern Europe, but
I'm not sure.
It doesn't ring a bell with me. I remember drawings of horses
heads on sticks, but I think they were only sacrificed to the
gods. Thor's waggon was pulled by goates, not horses. Odin
however was riding the eight-legged horse Sleipner. I don't
recall other horses in the Northern myths.
Some at least of the Celts had a horse-goddess, Epona. I'm
occasionally tempted by the notion that this may have something to do
with the reluctance of the British to eat horse-flesh (I don't think
this is an original idea).
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Isn't the fairground hobby-horse descended from something like that?
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R J Valentine
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:17:47 -0800 Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> wrote:
} R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> writes:
}
}> Evan Kirshenbaum filted:
}>>
}>>When I studied linguistics a couple of decades ago, we called these
}>>"burger morphs". Besides "-burger", there are "-dog" (from "hot
}>>dog"), "-gate" (from "Watergate", the name of the hotel connected
}>>with Nixon's scandal), "-holic" (from "alcoholic"), "-rama", (from
}>>"panarama"), "-athon" (from "marathon"), "Mc-" (from "McDonalds"),
}>>"rent-a-" (from "rent-a-car"), "-bot" (from "robot"), and probably
}>>others.
}>
}> Did you get "-fest" and "-palooza"?...r
}
} "-fest" doesn't really work since it's not a reanalyzed suffix of a
} preexisting word (unless the claim is that it comes from
} "Oktoberfest").
I'll claim it if nobody else wants it [= SparkE "to"]. For most of my
life my phone number was (variously) 301-PRO-LIF-ATHON, -PRO-LIF-AHOLIC,
-PRO-LIF-A-MC-BURGER, -PRO-LIF-A-RENT-A-BOT (you get the idea: the number
just before -PRO-LIFE), as more than one AUE subscriber is (ObAUE:
"are"?) well aware. Last I checked it just said it was disconnected,
which is fine with me.
} "-palooza" would work. "-tastic" and "-licious" are
} also there these days.
Yeah, 301-PRO-LIF-ALICIOUS. I forgot that one.
--
R. J. Valentine <mailto:rj@theWorld.com>
And for any of them I had the e-mail address any-of-them@wicked.smart.net,
but I had to give that up when spamards started using them in From lines. |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:20 pm
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John Holmes wrote:
| Quote: | Mike Lyle wrote:
[...]
Some at least of the Celts had a horse-goddess, Epona. I'm
occasionally tempted by the notion that this may have something to
do
with the reluctance of the British to eat horse-flesh (I don't
think
this is an original idea).
Isn't the fairground hobby-horse descended from something like
that? |
Fairground hobby-horse? maybe I call it something else. But you see a
bloke wearing a horse's head trotting round Morris dancers or similar
pagan merrymakers.
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