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R H Draney
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:18 am
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Salvatore Volatile filted:
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Tony Cooper wrote:
Nor do I have the slightest idea how a person that plays folk music
can be, or cannot be, part of the tradition. What is the tradition?
Are you saying that a person who sings "Darcy Farrow" is less than
authentic as a musician because they've never been to Nevada? Because
they've never lost a fiance to a fall off of a horse? Or because
they've never attended UCLA?
Music is only folk music if the music maker is a member of the folk
with which the folk music is, as a folk music, associated.
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That leaves *so* many doors open, though...Peter Schickele went through this
particular piece of existential angst on one of his radio programs...he seemed
determined to find a definition of folk music that could include Stephen
Foster....
And while you're there, how can you exclude Al Jolson from his rightful place in
minstrelsy?...sure, he wasn't black, but his performances were as heartfelt as
if he were (some would say a little *too* heartfelt)...for a more recent
cultural crossover, must Zhang Fei lay off the Italian lounge songs?...r |
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:41 am
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Rick Wotnaz wrote:
| Quote: | Maria Conlon wrote:
Um, rzed... I wasn't being entirely serious there. My "sure" was
more like a "yeah, right."
I personally feel that only large groups should be able to get
away with personnel changes and still retain the original name.
Say, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir or the Detroit Tigers.
There is, I think, a mental snapshot we all take of a small group.
The membership is confined enough that we can learn the names of
the individuals, and we can claim that changes in personnel forever
destroy the identity of the group. In the case of the Kingston
Trio, would your snapshot include Dave Guard or not?
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Maybe, but it would definitely include Nick Reynolds. He's the only one
I would have recognized for sure even then.
| Quote: | When I began to respond to your previous comment, my mind was more
or less set as you say yours was. But then I ran through a list of
identifiable groups from the aulden tymes (Rolling Stones, Beatles,
Eagles, Byrds, Jefferson Airplane, Steely Dan -- as well as The
Kingston Trio, Limeliters, even the Chad Mitchell Trio), not *one*
of which retained the same membership, and I realized that I was
willing to accept that changes in personnel don't *necessarily*
change the identity.
Maybe it's a matter of degree; it seems *wrong* on some level to
say that a group that contains none of the original members is
still the same group. I don't know whether it's more so than
claiming that a re-formed group is the same group. A gradual change
in membership preserves continuity, at least.
The case of the Byrds is one that tests the question of what
constitutes a group. Its personnel changed frequently in its
heyday, but when several ex-Byrds tried to re-form as The Byrds
without including Jim/Roger McGuinn, he managed to force them to
stop billing themselves that way. In that case, he alone
(apparently) was the group's identity. Would a single KT member be
able to prevent the current KT from billing themselves as the
Kingston Trio?
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Well, we're getting into legal areas, and I don't know the answer. It
probably depends (at least somewhat) on how any contracts were written.
What I do know is this: If I went to see Peter, Paul, and Mary, I would
expect the three originals (whom I last saw "in concert" about 30 years
ago). A new Mary, even if her real name is Mary, just wouldn't work, at
least visually. Ditto for Peter and Paul. Of course, their group had
their own names, not something unspecific like "The Folk Singers."
Maria Conlon
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batdorf
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:07 am
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"Django Cat" <nospam@please> escribió en el mensaje
news:LuOdnWxcurEp4__eRVnytQ@brightview.com...
| Quote: | I have 11 others.
However, diatonic harp won't play the theme from Midnight Cowboy.
I've
been wrestling with trying to use two harmonicas a tone apart for the
last couple of days.
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This could make you and your cat a fortune..."Le Petomain de
l'Harmonica"...?
(Three-bean salad from now on!)
HumphreyB |
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Theodore Heise
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:37 pm
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:28:16 +0200,
batdorf <bat@nospam.com> wrote:
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"Salvatore Volatile" <me@privacy.net> escribió en el mensaje
news:djqpkk$cfm$2@news.wss.yale.edu...
Erk once guessed at "tenor guitar" being a term that might be
applicable to the conventional six-string guitar. In doing a
bit of research on Tiny Grimes, an important figure in music
from the 1940s, I've found that he played something called the
tenor guitar, which was actually a four-string instrument,
normatively tuned D-G-B-E.
Not quite.
C-G-D-A, like the tenor banjo...(Or Viola)
It came about so that banjo players could switch to guitar without too
much finger or heart ache!!
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My father had a baritone ukulele when I was growing up, that had
the four strings tuned like the top strings of a guitar. I think
that's the tuning Areff describes.
http://www.ukuleleworld.com/uw_bari.html
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Theodore (Ted) Heise <theo@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA |
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Django Cat
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:02 pm
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batdorf wrote:
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"Django Cat" <nospam@please> escribió en el mensaje
news:LuOdnWxcurEp4__eRVnytQ@brightview.com...
I have 11 others.
However, diatonic harp won't play the theme from Midnight Cowboy.
I've been wrestling with trying to use two harmonicas a tone apart
for the last couple of days.
This could make you and your cat a fortune..."Le Petomain de
l'Harmonica"...? (Three-bean salad from now on!)
HumphreyB
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Walked right into that one, didn't I?
The idea is to play them sequentially, rather than simultaneously...
DC |
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Robin Bignall
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:40 pm
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:17:01 +0100, JF <jf@NOSPAMmarage.demon.co.uk>
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In message <IdydnUcfktQUwv_eRVnyjQ@brightview.com>, Django Cat
nospam@please.?.invalid> writes
JF wrote:
In message <djstpt$p8f$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, John Dean
john-dean@frag.lineone.net> writes
They were a popular folk music combo, m'lud. I remember them having
a degree of popularity here in the UK in the late 50s, early 60s.
Their big smash was "Tom Dooley", followed by such as "It takes a
worried man". This was the time of cover versions so they struggled
a little here with every washboard rattler in the land trying to
make money off them.
Skiffle groups. Derek Guyler was the world's greatest washboard
player.
REALLY? Derek 'Please Sir' Guyler? 'Snother world.
That's him. And 'Journey into Space' which had me enthralled as a kid
fifty-five years ago. Put thimbles on Derek Guyler's fingers, give him a
washboard, and he'd fly.
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I remember David Jacobs as "The Voice" from the first series, but
can't quite recall if he said "Orders must be obeyed without question
at all times" or "... at all times without question". Gripping stuff
indeed. JiS, "Dick Barton, Special Agent", and "The Goon Show" were
mandatory listening when I was at school.
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Robin
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Paul Wolff
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:01 am
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In message <1hu6m1d8o4r6j9fnut6b90d01cdelrmp4c@4ax.com>, Robin Bignall
<docrobin@ntlworld.com> writes
| Quote: | On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:17:01 +0100, JF <jf@NOSPAMmarage.demon.co.uk
wrote:
X-No-Archive: yes
In message <IdydnUcfktQUwv_eRVnyjQ@brightview.com>, Django Cat
nospam@please.?.invalid> writes
REALLY? Derek 'Please Sir' Guyler? 'Snother world.
That's him. And 'Journey into Space' which had me enthralled as a kid
fifty-five years ago. Put thimbles on Derek Guyler's fingers, give him a
washboard, and he'd fly.
I remember David Jacobs as "The Voice" from the first series,
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Dunno about "The Voice", but I think he played Lemmy (too?).
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can't quite recall if he said "Orders must be obeyed without question
at all times" or "... at all times without question". Gripping stuff
indeed. JiS, "Dick Barton, Special Agent", and "The Goon Show" were
mandatory listening when I was at school.
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Matti Lamprhey
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:57 am
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"Paul Wolff" <bounceme@two.wolff.co.uk> wrote...
| Quote: | Robin Bignall <docrobin@ntlworld.com> writes
JF <jf@NOSPAMmarage.demon.co.uk> wrote:
X-No-Archive: yes
Django Cat <nospam@please.?.invalid> writes
REALLY? Derek 'Please Sir' Guyler? 'Snother world.
That's him. And 'Journey into Space' which had me enthralled as a
kid fifty-five years ago. Put thimbles on Derek Guyler's fingers,
give him a washboard, and he'd fly.
I remember David Jacobs as "The Voice" from the first series,
Dunno about "The Voice", but I think he played Lemmy (too?).
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Hang on -- The Voice was the baddie in _Garry Halliday_, and was played
by some old Welsh git. Elwyn Jones?
Matti |
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Robin Bignall
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:11 am
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:01:02 +0100, Paul Wolff
<bounceme@two.wolff.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | In message <1hu6m1d8o4r6j9fnut6b90d01cdelrmp4c@4ax.com>, Robin Bignall
docrobin@ntlworld.com> writes
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:17:01 +0100, JF <jf@NOSPAMmarage.demon.co.uk
wrote:
X-No-Archive: yes
In message <IdydnUcfktQUwv_eRVnyjQ@brightview.com>, Django Cat
nospam@please.?.invalid> writes
REALLY? Derek 'Please Sir' Guyler? 'Snother world.
That's him. And 'Journey into Space' which had me enthralled as a kid
fifty-five years ago. Put thimbles on Derek Guyler's fingers, give him a
washboard, and he'd fly.
I remember David Jacobs as "The Voice" from the first series,
Dunno about "The Voice", but I think he played Lemmy (too?).
David Kossov played Lemmy. I had forgotten that Andrew Faulds (later |
MP) played Jet Morgan. The cast is at
http://www.journeyintospace.co.uk/
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can't quite recall if he said "Orders must be obeyed without question
at all times" or "... at all times without question". Gripping stuff
indeed. JiS, "Dick Barton, Special Agent", and "The Goon Show" were
mandatory listening when I was at school.
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Robin
Hoddesdon, England |
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Paul Wolff
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:55 am
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In message <m8p7m15fttimn5ucen149vfe21i0v7fbv4@4ax.com>, Robin Bignall
<docrobin@ntlworld.com> writes
| Quote: | On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:01:02 +0100, Paul Wolff
bounceme@two.wolff.co.uk> wrote:
In message <1hu6m1d8o4r6j9fnut6b90d01cdelrmp4c@4ax.com>, Robin Bignall
docrobin@ntlworld.com> writes
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:17:01 +0100, JF <jf@NOSPAMmarage.demon.co.uk
wrote:
That's him. And 'Journey into Space' which had me enthralled as a kid
fifty-five years ago. Put thimbles on Derek Guyler's fingers, give him a
washboard, and he'd fly.
I remember David Jacobs as "The Voice" from the first series,
Dunno about "The Voice", but I think he played Lemmy (too?).
David Kossov played Lemmy. I had forgotten that Andrew Faulds (later
MP) played Jet Morgan. The cast is at
http://www.journeyintospace.co.uk/
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Oh, well, if you *must* refer to sources, how do we know that web page
wasn't shot in Pinewood Studios?
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Paul
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:25 am
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"Django Cat" <nospam@please> writes:
| Quote: | In fact I bought a new Ah moniker yesterday, a Hohner 'Old Standby' in
C.
It's not great, but you can't complain for 4 quid.
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How much does it cost to complain?
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1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |customer what they ask for. This
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batdorf
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:34 am
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"Evan Kirshenbaum" <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> escribió en el mensaje
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| Quote: | "Django Cat" <nospam@please> writes:
It's not great, but you can't complain for 4 quid.
How much does it cost to complain?
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Quid pro quo, mate...
He just mixed the order up and used a few abbreviations...pro = 4, quid
= quid, quo = quo, short for ire fortiter quo nemo ante it, I imagine,
and yet still finish up in statu quo...
So I reckon he did pretty well for four quid!
Don't you?
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Earle Jones
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:42 am
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In article <8xw9wktg.fsf@hpl.hp.com>,
Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Django Cat" <nospam@please> writes:
In fact I bought a new Ah moniker yesterday, a Hohner 'Old Standby' in
C.
It's not great, but you can't complain for 4 quid.
How much does it cost to complain?
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I have an old Hohner Bass 64 Chromonica in its original wooden box.
Probably about vintage 1954 or 56.
What's it worth?
earle
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