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Spot
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:47 am
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This sentence is from and blurb about a bicycle.
"Plus, its superb stability, relaxed geometry and vibration-absorbing carbon
fork make it a great choice for centuries or just hours of relaxed riding,
too."
What does the expression "relaxed geometry" mean please?
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Don Phillipson
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:57 am
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"Spot" <Spot@legs.com> wrote in message
news:GNc8f.2434$Hj2.1843@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
| Quote: | This sentence is from and blurb about a bicycle.
"Plus, its superb stability, relaxed geometry and vibration-absorbing
carbon
fork make it a great choice for centuries or just hours of relaxed riding,
too."
What does the expression "relaxed geometry" mean please?
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We can tell this is advertising copy, thus has not much
relationship with common or meaningful language. Clothing
vendors use "relaxed fit" to mean loose-fitting and comfortable
clothing, and advertisers borrow freely between markest.
No writer who begins a sentence with "Plus" deserves
any reader's attention.
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Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada) |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:56 am
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:47:02 GMT, "Spot" <Spot@legs.com> wrote:
| Quote: | This sentence is from and blurb about a bicycle.
"Plus, its superb stability, relaxed geometry and vibration-absorbing carbon
fork make it a great choice for centuries or just hours of relaxed riding,
too."
What does the expression "relaxed geometry" mean please?
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I can't get past the thought of riding a bicycle for centuries. It
sounds like something for a modern Sisyphus with hemorrhoids who has
been condemned to ride ceaselessly on a hard seat.
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Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
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baldycotton
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:59 pm
Post subject: Re: relaxed geometry |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:47:02 GMT, "Spot" <Spot@legs.com> wrote:
| Quote: | relaxed geometry and vibration-absorbing carbon
fork make it a great choice for centuries
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It means only what the advertiser wants you to think it means.
It means, "We want you to think this is a good bicycle and you should
buy one."
Or it might mean the bicycle bends easily. |
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John Dean
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:44 pm
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Spot wrote:
| Quote: | This sentence is from and blurb about a bicycle.
"Plus, its superb stability, relaxed geometry and vibration-absorbing
carbon fork make it a great choice for centuries or just hours of
relaxed riding, too."
What does the expression "relaxed geometry" mean please?
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Take your pick from these OED definitions of "relaxed":
" 1. a. Freed from restraint or restrictions; not strict or precise,
?esp. in observing a religious rule.
... 1671 Woodhead St. Teresa ii. xxxii. 200 He had been Visitor of
the Relaxed Fathers of the Province of Castile.
b. Slackened, mitigated, or modified in respect of strictness.
1671 Woodhead St. Teresa ii. xxx. 183 A Monastery of our Lady of
Carmel of the Rule relaxed.
3. In other senses of the vb., esp. (in sense 7) informal,
leisurely, at ease; unanxious, free from constraint or tension.
1825 J. Nicholson Operat. Mechanic 500 The relaxed spring+above lying
in a spiral form. "
So I suspect they mean straight lines that are not straight, triangles
whose internal angles do not ad up to 180 degrees and stuff like that.
May be interesting to note that modern UK political usage has "relaxed"
as "not bothered, not going to make a fuss" eg "Tony is quite relaxed
about David Cameron becoming Conservative Leader".
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John Dean
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Daniel James
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:08 pm
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In article news:<GNc8f.2434$Hj2.1843@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, Spot wrote:
| Quote: | This sentence is from and blurb about a bicycle.
"Plus, its superb stability, relaxed geometry and vibration-absorbing carbon
fork make it a great choice for centuries or just hours of relaxed riding,
too."
What does the expression "relaxed geometry" mean please?
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In the context of a bicycle -- and lacking anything else to go by (such as a
picture of the bike itself) -- I'd assume that it meant that the angles
between the frame tubes (which are normally the same for all frames form all
makes) were not standard, and that the change was intended to lead to greater
comfort for the rider. I doubt it works, frames are made in one shape for a
reason: a compromise between strength and weight, and comfort and convenience.
The whole thing obviously deserves to be read with a pinch of salt, though, as
I'm sure the fork is not actually made of carbon (it's probably carbon fibre).
Do you have a link to that blurb online?
Cheers,
Daniel. |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:02 pm
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Daniel James wrote:
| Quote: | In article news:<GNc8f.2434$Hj2.1843@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
Spot wrote:
[...]
What does the expression "relaxed geometry" mean please?
In the context of a bicycle -- and lacking anything else to go by
(such as a picture of the bike itself) -- I'd assume that it meant
that the angles between the frame tubes (which are normally the
same
for all frames form all makes) were not standard, and that the
change
was intended to lead to greater comfort for the rider. I doubt it
works, frames are made in one shape for a reason: a compromise
between strength and weight, and comfort and convenience.
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But the frame geometry does have a large effect on the handling
characteristics of a bike, whether pedal or motor. I think "relaxed
geometry" would be something in the direction of the "Easy Rider"
design, where steering is in larger curves than you get from, say,
one of those 'sixties Moulton push-bikes which were good at popping
in and out and round. Whether it's actually true in this case is
another question.
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Mike. |
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Weatherlawyer
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:02 pm
Post subject: Re: relaxed geometry |
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Mike Lyle wrote:
| Quote: | Daniel James wrote:
In article news:<GNc8f.2434$Hj2.1843@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
Spot wrote:
What does the expression "relaxed geometry" mean please?
In the context of a bicycle - I'd assume that it meant that the
angles between the frame tubes (which are normally the same
for all frames form all makes) were not standard, and that the
change was intended to lead to greater comfort for the rider.
But the frame geometry does have a large effect on the handling
characteristics of a bike, whether pedal or motor.
Quite right. |
It could mean the style of vehicle. A touring bike is a relaxed ride
compared to the rider's position on a racer or on any of the modern
sports styles.
And of course the phrase "relaxed geometry" is fitting for all
concerned. The various styles are that way because of the geometry.
Geometry is everything with cycles. Take a look at some of the early
"safeties", they were extremely comfortable styles.
A lot of the ergonomics were changed in order to improve the
aerodynamics. Thus you got a fast run out and all you saw was a few
feet of road. |
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Peter Duncanson
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:41 pm
Post subject: Re: relaxed geometry |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:47:02 GMT, "Spot" <Spot@legs.com> wrote:
| Quote: | This sentence is from and blurb about a bicycle.
"Plus, its superb stability, relaxed geometry and vibration-absorbing carbon
fork make it a great choice for centuries or just hours of relaxed riding,
too."
What does the expression "relaxed geometry" mean please?
"Geomery" refers to the shape of the frame -- the lengths and angles of |
the various elements.
This is described at
http://www.rei.com/online/store/LearnShareDetailArticlesList?categoryId=Cycling&url=rei/learn/cycle/glbikef.jsp
<quote>
Relaxed Geometry — A bicycle geometry that emphasizes comfort and
stability, achieved by such features as a smaller head-tube and
seat-tube angle (measured from the horizontal), ample trail and extra
clearance between the wheels and the frame.
</quote>
The opposite is:
<quote>
Tight Geometry — Bicycle geometry that emphasizes speed and
maneuverability. The opposite of relaxed geometry.
</quote>
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Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from a.e.u) |
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Daniel James
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:01 am
Post subject: Re: relaxed geometry |
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In article news:<3seeqoFn3ca0U3@individual.net>, Mike Lyle wrote:
| Quote: | But the frame geometry does have a large effect on the handling
characteristics of a bike, ...
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Yes. I wasn't meaning to suggest that changing the frame shape wouldn't
have an effect -- just that it wouldn't necessarily lead to a "better"
bike. Better for some things, maybe, but not for others.
I see Peter Duncanson has said it all better and more authoritatively than
I, though.
(And I like that typo: "Geomery" <smile>)
Cheers,
Daniel. |
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Peter Duncanson
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:11 pm
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:01:56 +0100, Daniel James
<wastebasket@nospam.aaisp.org> wrote:
| Quote: | In article news:<3seeqoFn3ca0U3@individual.net>, Mike Lyle wrote:
But the frame geometry does have a large effect on the handling
characteristics of a bike, ...
Yes. I wasn't meaning to suggest that changing the frame shape wouldn't
have an effect -- just that it wouldn't necessarily lead to a "better"
bike. Better for some things, maybe, but not for others.
I see Peter Duncanson has said it all better and more authoritatively than
I, though.
(And I like that typo: "Geomery" <smile>)
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That's what you get with a tight bike and a loose rider.
Hmm. The same could result from a loose bike and a tight rider.
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Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from a.e.u) |
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