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Brian Wickham
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:55 pm
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:13:53 -0600, Michael Nitabach
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True New Yorkers like me know that you are right about 4th Avenue not
being exactly below the end of Park Avenue South.
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Odd. I've met many true New Yorkers over the years who have had
various crackpot ideas about the city. If a NYer believes there are
alligators in the sewers does that disqualify him form claiming to be
a New Yorker?
Most true New Yorkers don't know how to pronounce Dey or Vesey
Streets. (Die and Veezee)
Brian Wickham
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:18 pm
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:55:23 GMT, Brian Wickham
<bwickham@NO~SPAM.nyc.rr.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:13:53 -0600, Michael Nitabach
mnitabach@acedsl.com> wrote:
True New Yorkers like me know that you are right about 4th Avenue not
being exactly below the end of Park Avenue South.
Odd. I've met many true New Yorkers over the years who have had
various crackpot ideas about the city. If a NYer believes there are
alligators in the sewers does that disqualify him form claiming to be
a New Yorker?
Most true New Yorkers don't know how to pronounce Dey or Vesey
Streets. (Die and Veezee)
On my first visit to NYC, I asked a transit worker what "Uptown" and |
"Downtown" meant. He looked at me incredulously and said "One's up
there, and the other's down there", shook his head, and walked off.
Since we were underground, and he gestured in the general direction of
a wall, I was none the wiser. Well, I was, but I was only wise enough
never to again ask a New Yawker anything.
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Tony Cooper
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Rick Wotnaz
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:07 am
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Scotius <wolvzbro@mnsi.net> wrote in
news:9laam1p7hgh64ucd1m230rn2vc8sdrgph6@4ax.com:
| Quote: | On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 04:17:30 GMT, Pete <Pete@how.com> wrote:
Where is the word Manhattan from? Or Brooklyn.
I've done my own research - 10 minutes and to no avail and I'm
getting tired.
Brooklyn, I don't know about, but Manhattan is a native
North
American word. There were also a tribe of natives called the
"Powhattan", but I'm not sure exactly what their geographic
location was.
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Chief Powhaton and his tribe, you mean? He was in Virginia. Or
rather, Virginia came to encompass his territories. From the
Virginia Company's Instructions to Sir Thomas Gates Concerning the
Natives, May 1609:
"For Powhaton and his Weroances it is Clere even to reason beside
our experience that he loued not our neighborhood and therefore you
may no way trust him, but if you finde it not best to make him yor
prisoner yet you must make him yor tributary, and all other his
weroances about him first to acknowledge no other Lord but Kinge
James and so we shall free them all from the Tirrany of Powhaton
[...] ". See
<http://lcweb2.loc.gov/learn/features/timeline/colonial/indians/nat
ives.html> for more.
"Weroances" are evidently the local aristocrats and their families.
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rzed
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:48 am
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Brian Wickham <bwickham@NO~SPAM.nyc.rr.com> writes:
| Quote: | On 27 Oct 2005 02:27:34 -0700, "Nate Branscom"
the_n8ball@hotmail.com> wrote:
I was referring to the They Might Be Giants song: "Istanbul (not
Constantinople)" (though I think it was a cover of a 1950's tune).
Which, in turn, was a revival of a 1920's or 30's tune.
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You sure about that? The usual attribution seems to be that Jimmy
Kennedy wrote the lyrics and Nat Simon wrote the lyrics in 1953.
Kennedy also wrote "Teddy Bears' Picnic" (also covered by Stanford's
Fleet Street Singers).
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HP Laboratories |It does me no injury for my neighbor
1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |to say there are twenty gods, or no
Palo Alto, CA 94304 |God.
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:16 am
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Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Brian Wickham <bwickham@NO~SPAM.nyc.rr.com> writes:
On 27 Oct 2005 02:27:34 -0700, "Nate Branscom"
the_n8ball@hotmail.com> wrote:
I was referring to the They Might Be Giants song: "Istanbul (not
Constantinople)" (though I think it was a cover of a 1950's tune).
Which, in turn, was a revival of a 1920's or 30's tune.
You sure about that? The usual attribution seems to be that Jimmy
Kennedy wrote the lyrics and Nat Simon wrote the lyrics in 1953.
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But who wrote the lyrics, then? |
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Scotius
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:19 am
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 04:17:30 GMT, Pete <Pete@how.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Where is the word Manhattan from? Or Brooklyn.
I've done my own research - 10 minutes and to no avail and I'm getting
tired.
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Brooklyn, I don't know about, but Manhattan is a native North
American word. There were also a tribe of natives called the
"Powhattan", but I'm not sure exactly what their geographic location
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:07 am
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Evan Kirshenbaum filted:
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trio@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux) writes:
Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> wrote:
You sure about that? The usual attribution seems to be that Jimmy
Kennedy wrote the lyrics and Nat Simon wrote the lyrics in 1953.
But who wrote the lyrics, then?
Sigh. Kennedy wrote the lyrics, Simon wrote the music.
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"It's my brother's song; he wrote all the lyrics and everything. I just helped
a little on the words."
- Tom Smothers, ca 1963
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:07 am
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trio@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux) writes:
| Quote: | Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> wrote:
Brian Wickham <bwickham@NO~SPAM.nyc.rr.com> writes:
On 27 Oct 2005 02:27:34 -0700, "Nate Branscom"
the_n8ball@hotmail.com> wrote:
I was referring to the They Might Be Giants song: "Istanbul (not
Constantinople)" (though I think it was a cover of a 1950's tune).
Which, in turn, was a revival of a 1920's or 30's tune.
You sure about that? The usual attribution seems to be that Jimmy
Kennedy wrote the lyrics and Nat Simon wrote the lyrics in 1953.
But who wrote the lyrics, then?
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Sigh. Kennedy wrote the lyrics, Simon wrote the music.
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Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
HP Laboratories |This case--and I must be careful
1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |not to fall into Spooner's trap
Palo Alto, CA 94304 |here--concerns a group of warring
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kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com
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Salvatore Volatile
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:15 pm
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Scotius wrote:
| Quote: | Brooklyn, I don't know about, but Manhattan is a native North
American word.
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ObAUE: Shouldn't that be "I don't know from Brooklyn, but ..."? |
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ArWeGod
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:00 pm
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"Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:p0e1m1l2ls3r12v2qdopee740pln1612v0@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:15:59 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder)
wrote:
Say after me:
Turkish troops out of Cyprus!
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It was a nightmare in the 1990's when I went through, I imagine it has
changed little. If it has changed - "Good on yer, Girl!"
Uhhhh... can I at least just walk over there and take a boat to
Egypt....
See... I just wanna go over to Egypt. And I spent a lot of money in
Antalya.... And I took the boat trip... And you don't want me to go to
Egypt? <No, we don't want you go to 50 km south to take the boat you
need>
Cyprus division sucks.
But you can travel 3 days backs to some port in Greece and spend money
there, to eat, to drink, to buy a boat passage to Egypt that will land
you back on Cypress (but in the Southern part owned by Greece) and THEN
you can go to Egypt.
But you didn't get your passport stamped by the Turks, did you? OH, then
you have several custom agents who each have the right to not let you
through.
Here, we put grease and turkey together for a saucy evening of family
and friends. Why can't we all get a leg?.
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