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ArWeGod
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Where is the word Manhattan from?

"Jim Lawton" <usenet1@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 04:17:30 GMT, Pete <Pete@how.com> wrote:
Where is the word Manhattan from? Or Brooklyn.
I've done my own research - 10 minutes and to no avail
Ten *minutes* and you found out *nothing*, how can this be?
Inconceivable!

I read this post for over 10 seconds and lost interest almost
immediately!
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ArWeQuicklyFindingOut

Claude Weil
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: Where is the word Manhattan from?

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:09:19 GMT, "PR" <noreply@none.com> wrote:

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And Istanbul was Constantinople; now Constantinople is Istanbul.

And before being renamed Constantinople it was called Byzantium.

CW

Steve Hayes
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Where is the word Manhattan from?

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:15:59 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
wrote:

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Nate Branscom <the_n8ball@hotmail.com> wrote:

PR wrote:
I wrote:

AFAIK ...
Manhattan---Local Indian word for "Hilly Island" (or something
similar).
Brooklyn----Corruption of "Breukelen" (a Dutch village)

Remember: New York *was* New Amsterdam.

And Istanbul was Constantinople; now Constantinople is Istanbul.

That's nobody's business but the turks!

You want war with the Greeks?

Say after me:

Turkish troops out of Cyprus!

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nancy13g
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Where is the word Manhattan from?

Pete wrote:

Quote:

Where is the word Manhattan from? Or Brooklyn.

I've done my own research - 10 minutes and to no avail
and I'm getting tired.

Ten minutes? Is that because you type really slow or because you have
only a dial-up connection?

I typed "what does manhattan mean" into google and got the following:

===== begin quoted text =====

What does Manhattan mean?
Manhattan is a Native American word that has been variously translated
as meaning "good place to collect bow wood", "place of general
inebriation", and "people of the whirlpool", among others. However, a
gentleman by the name of William Wallace Tooker seems to have done the
most thorough research around 1900. He determined that the word
probably derives from the Delaware Indian word mannah "island" and the
northern Algonquian suffix meaning "hills": hatin, making Manhattan a
"hilly island".

===== end quoted text =====

I don't mind doing your research for you, though, because in the
process of looking up the answer to your question, I found this fun
site:

http://www.askanewyorker.com/index.html

Definitely one for the bookmarks file.

Brian Wickham
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Where is the word Manhattan from?

On 27 Oct 2005 02:27:34 -0700, "Nate Branscom"
<the_n8ball@hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

I was referring to the They Might Be Giants song: "Istanbul (not
Constantinople)" (though I think it was a cover of a 1950's tune).

Which, in turn, was a revival of a 1920's or 30's tune.

J. J. Lodder
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:12 am Post subject: Re: Where is the word Manhattan from?

ArWeGod <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Quote:

No need to get it.
Anything to do with Turks in Constantinople
is cause for war with the Greeks.

Remember 1453,

Jan

John_Kane@tricolour.queen
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:43 am Post subject: Re: Where is the word Manhattan from?

ArWeGod wrote:

Quote:

"Nate Branscom" <the_n8ball@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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J. J. Lodder wrote:
Nate Branscom <the_n8ball@hotmail.com> wrote:

PR wrote:
I wrote:

AFAIK ...
Manhattan---Local Indian word for "Hilly Island" (or something
similar).
Brooklyn----Corruption of "Breukelen" (a Dutch village)

Remember: New York *was* New Amsterdam.

And Istanbul was Constantinople; now Constantinople is Istanbul.

That's nobody's business but the turks!

You want war with the Greeks?

You don't get it.

I was referring to the They Might Be Giants song: "Istanbul (not
Constantinople)" (though I think it was a cover of a 1950's tune).
I'm a geek!

Making the reference made you cool. Explaining the joke shoved a Geek

p.s. Been there (the city, not shameville...well, OK both) The taxis are
1950's Mercedes,
They are? Must have missed that. But then I was there a long time ago
the bread is excellent
Bread was excellant I do agree and the fish was outstanding. The red

wine was not bad either.

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and you can get a leather coat
for reasonable price.

Yes , but mine wore out after only 15 years of steady use. And I paid
US$125 for it.

It's also the only place you can see a block of

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raw Meerschaum, as it can't be exported but must be carved in Turkey.
Oh, and you can't walk from Greece to Turkey.

No trains.

I wonder waht that thing I was on from Istanbul to Athens? Mind you, I
think they shunted the car across the border. Once our carriage had
coasted past the gun emplacements the rest of the train seemed to have
disappeared.

Robert Lieblich
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:16 am Post subject: Re: Where is the word Manhattan from?

"J. J. Lodder" wrote:

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Why they changed it, I can't say.

Quote:

That's nobody's business but the turks!

You want war with the Greeks?

War with the Geeks? Who's on the other side -- the nerds?

--
Bob Lieblich
Who has the feeling he's missing something

Robert Lieblich
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:19 am Post subject: Re: Where is the word Manhattan from?

R J Valentine wrote:

Quote:

The Laurelplex has two of
lots of things, from National Aquariums to Beltways, including [Francis
Scott] Key Bridges, Metros, and Washington Monuments.

Damn Baltimoreans keep stealing all the good ideas from us
Warshennoneians. Next thing you know they'll have a Kennedy Center and
a Smithsonian Institution. We let them get a ball club in 1954 and
half a century later they turned on us and opposed our getting one.
Da noive!

We'd throw them out of the Laurelplex if it weren't for their seafood.

--
Bob Lieblich
Zip 22209

Robert Bannister
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:28 am Post subject: Re: Where is the word Manhattan from?

Ho ho ho wrote:

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"PR" <noreply@none.com> wrote in message
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"Nate Branscom" wrote:

Pete wrote:

Where is the word Manhattan from? Or Brooklyn.

I've done my own research - 10 minutes and to no avail and I'm getting
tired.

AFAIK ...
Manhattan---Local Indian word for "Hilly Island" (or something
similar).
Brooklyn----Corruption of "Breukelen" (a Dutch village)

Remember: New York *was* New Amsterdam.

And Istanbul was Constantinople; now Constantinople is Istanbul.

Why did Constantinople get the works?

It was probably very hungary.

--
Rob Bannister

Michael Nitabach
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 4:33 am Post subject: Re: Where is the word Manhattan from?

"nancy13g" <nancy13g@verizon.net> wrote in
news:1130427249.108100.313530@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Quote:

I don't mind doing your research for you, though, because in the
process of looking up the answer to your question, I found this fun
site:

http://www.askanewyorker.com/index.html

Definitely one for the bookmarks file.

I wouldn't trust this site unless you can confirm that the questions
are being answered by real New Yorkers like me.

--
Mike Nitabach

Salvatore Volatile
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Where is the word Manhattan from?

Brian Wickham wrote:

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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:33:36 -0500, Michael Nitabach
mnitabach@acedsl.com> wrote:

I wouldn't trust this site unless you can confirm that the questions
are being answered by real New Yorkers like me.

What do real New Yorkers know? Any number of them swear up and down
that Lexington Ave is 4th Avenue. Why? Because their New Yorker
fathers told them so.

Huh? Park Avenue is 4th Avenue. I've never heard any New Yorker or even a
faux-New Yorker like Nitabach say that Lexington Avenue was 4th Avenue.
I've heard Coop call 6th Avenue "Avenue of the Americas", however.

And there's still a block or so of 4th Avenue right below 14th
Street, though I guess it's not exactly right below the end of Park
Avenue South.

Brian Wickham
Guest

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:05 am Post subject: Re: Where is the word Manhattan from?

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:33:36 -0500, Michael Nitabach
<mnitabach@acedsl.com> wrote:

Quote:

"nancy13g" <nancy13g@verizon.net> wrote in
news:1130427249.108100.313530@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

I don't mind doing your research for you, though, because in the
process of looking up the answer to your question, I found this fun
site:

http://www.askanewyorker.com/index.html

Definitely one for the bookmarks file.

I wouldn't trust this site unless you can confirm that the questions
are being answered by real New Yorkers like me.

What do real New Yorkers know? Any number of them swear up and down
that Lexington Ave is 4th Avenue. Why? Because their New Yorker
fathers told them so.

Brian Wickham

Michael Nitabach
Guest

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: Where is the word Manhattan from?

Salvatore Volatile <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:dk1jvl$sqr$2@news.wss.yale.edu:

Quote:

Brian Wickham wrote:
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:33:36 -0500, Michael Nitabach
mnitabach@acedsl.com> wrote:

I wouldn't trust this site unless you can confirm that the
questions are being answered by real New Yorkers like me.

What do real New Yorkers know? Any number of them swear up and
down that Lexington Ave is 4th Avenue. Why? Because their New
Yorker fathers told them so.

Huh? Park Avenue is 4th Avenue. I've never heard any New Yorker
or even a faux-New Yorker like Nitabach say that Lexington Avenue
was 4th Avenue. I've heard Coop call 6th Avenue "Avenue of the
Americas", however.

And there's still a block or so of 4th Avenue right below 14th
Street, though I guess it's not exactly right below the end of
Park Avenue South.

True New Yorkers like me know that you are right about 4th Avenue not
being exactly below the end of Park Avenue South.

--
Mike Nitabach

Brian Wickham
Guest

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: Where is the word Manhattan from?

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 04:59:33 +0000 (UTC), Salvatore Volatile
<me@privacy.net> wrote:

Quote:

Brian Wickham wrote:
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:33:36 -0500, Michael Nitabach
mnitabach@acedsl.com> wrote:

I wouldn't trust this site unless you can confirm that the questions
are being answered by real New Yorkers like me.

What do real New Yorkers know? Any number of them swear up and down
that Lexington Ave is 4th Avenue. Why? Because their New Yorker
fathers told them so.

Huh? Park Avenue is 4th Avenue. I've never heard any New Yorker or even a
faux-New Yorker like Nitabach say that Lexington Avenue was 4th Avenue.
I've heard Coop call 6th Avenue "Avenue of the Americas", however.

I've heard it a lot and even got into an argument on the net with a

few of my fellow New Yorkers who swore 4th Ave was Lexington. Any
way, if you think New Yorkers know so much about their city then you
should eavesdrop on the "helpful" directions some hand out on subway
platforms, in good faith of course.

Quote:

And there's still a block or so of 4th Avenue right below 14th
Street, though I guess it's not exactly right below the end of Park
Avenue South.

Yes, but the rest of Fourth Ave north of that was a rock ledge, and

not suitable for development. When the railroad needed a right-of-way
the city ceded them 4th Avenue. It was the railroad that recovered
the property above the tracks and named it Park Ave.

Brian Wickham

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