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Robert Lieblich
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:43 am
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[trimmed to AUE]
Mark Brader wrote:
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Tony Cooper and "Skitt" write:
"You're out of order" is delivered a bit more seriously than the other
examples, but courtroom expressions are no longer known only to the
lawyers, criminals, jury members, and witnesses of America. Anyone
that owns a television hears them every day.
Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence.
Sustained. But what we have all learned from watching these courtroom
dramas is that a point made - even if the jury is ordered to disregard
the point - is a point made. What is said cannot be withdrawn even if
it is withdrawn.
Or: "You can't unring the bell, Your Honor."
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You're absolutely right, counsel. Clearly it won't suffice to
instruct the jury to disregard the improperly introduced evidence. So
even though I and the court clerk and the court reporter and the
parties and their counsel and twelve jurors and three alternates have
been here for three weeks of trial with more to go, I guess I'll just
have to declare a mistrial and start all over. Get out your
calendars, and let's see if we can reserve the entire month of January
for the new trial. And let's hope this sort of thing doesn't happen
at the new trial.
It takes something extremely out of line to force a mistrial on
grounds of improper influence on the jury, and whoever causes that
sort of mistrial is likely to wind up expiating his contempt of court
in a jail cell.
As a glorified hearing examiner, I presided with no jury. I was the
fact-finder as well as the source of the law. (Talk about an ego
boost!) If I ruled evidence inadmissible, I was supposed to forget
that I'd seen or heard it. Being a lawyer, I was presumed capable of
such things. For other practical reasons, I almost never excluded
evidence. The agency attorneys were damned frustrated when they
objected and I inevitably overruled them, but then they got the
benefit in the other direction.
Ah, the good old days ...
--
Bob Lieblich
And I never wore a judicial robe
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Robert Lieblich
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:46 am
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"Laura F. Spira" wrote:
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| Quote: | My dear James
How delightful! I am hugely flattered by your tempting offer but I need
to know one thing before I allow myself to be lured: can you sing? In
addition to the items you have identified, many of my fantasies include
single malt and serenades.
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You don't need that Follett guy, Laura. I can make you an excellent
malt (vanilla or chocolate), especially if you want only one, and I
have lotsa serenades on CD -- Mozart, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, Suk, etc.
Don't tell Michael, tho.
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Bob Lieblich
D.O.M. (and that don't mean champagne) |
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JF
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:10 am
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In message <djrfji$9uo$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, Laura F. Spira
<laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> writes
| Quote: | JF wrote:
X-No-Archive: yes
In message <djqi2b$7tc$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, Laura F. Spira
laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> writes
Dearest Laura,
I feel that these squirming, miserable rapscallions of aue are not
according you the attention that you undoubtedly deserve. Allow me to
lure you away to somewhere private and soundproof where I'll shower
you with compliments, Belgian chocolates, free wipes, and anything
else you dream about in your secret moments of outrageous fantasies.
My dear James
How delightful! I am hugely flattered by your tempting offer but I need
to know one thing before I allow myself to be lured: can you sing? In
addition to the items you have identified, many of my fantasies include
single malt and serenades.
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Typical of a wimmin. You make her the best offer she's had all week and
she imposes conditions.
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James Follett
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Richard Bollard
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:04 am
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:11:24 +0100, Wood Avens
<woodavens@askjennison.com> wrote:
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| Quote: | This sort of thing has been going on far too lon, of course. I think
it's time we invented some new titles.
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That far too long is a bit too short. That's irony.
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Richard Bollard
Canberra Australia
To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT. |
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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:07 am
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JF wrote:
| Quote: | In message <djrfji$9uo$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, Laura F. Spira
laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> writes
JF wrote:
X-No-Archive: yes
In message <djqi2b$7tc$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, Laura F. Spira
laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> writes
Dearest Laura,
I feel that these squirming, miserable rapscallions of aue are not
according you the attention that you undoubtedly deserve. Allow me to
lure you away to somewhere private and soundproof where I'll shower
you with compliments, Belgian chocolates, free wipes, and anything
else you dream about in your secret moments of outrageous fantasies.
My dear James
How delightful! I am hugely flattered by your tempting offer but I
need to know one thing before I allow myself to be lured: can you
sing? In addition to the items you have identified, many of my
fantasies include single malt and serenades.
Typical of a wimmin. You make her the best offer she's had all week and
she imposes conditions.
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"Anything else you dream about"? Huh! Typical of a man, making sweeping
gestures that he has no possibility of living up to.
Obaue: should that be "up to which he has no possibility of living?"
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Laura
(emulate St. George for email) |
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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:03 pm
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Robert Lieblich wrote:
| Quote: | "Laura F. Spira" wrote:
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My dear James
How delightful! I am hugely flattered by your tempting offer but I need
to know one thing before I allow myself to be lured: can you sing? In
addition to the items you have identified, many of my fantasies include
single malt and serenades.
You don't need that Follett guy, Laura. I can make you an excellent
malt (vanilla or chocolate), especially if you want only one, and I
have lotsa serenades on CD -- Mozart, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, Suk, etc.
Don't tell Michael, tho.
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An irresistible offer, Bob! I'd be on the next plane if I didn't think
Sharon would pack a mean punch.
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Laura
(emulate St. George for email) |
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J.V.Ashby
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:47 pm
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William wrote:
| Quote: | John Dean wrote:
So much for the beginners' class. We will now proceed, for our
advanced class, to examine current BrE "well out of order".
And next week... "Naw Shut it!" and "Look aht guv, E's got a shoo'er".
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Not to mention "Leave it, Will, 'e's not worf it."
john (oops, I mentioned it.) |
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Matti Lamprhey
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:53 pm
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"Laura F. Spira" <laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote...
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[...] Huh! Typical of a man, making sweeping
gestures that he has no possibility of living up to.
Obaue: should that be "up to which he has no possibility of living?"
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The form which purists still like to criticize isn't as flexible as its
usurper, so the future is clear.
If we want to extend the expression, like: "making sweeping gestures
that he has no possibility of living up to or getting down to", it's not
possible to express it in the 'purer' form without duplication.
Matti |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:18 pm
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Laura F. Spira wrote:
| Quote: | Robert Lieblich wrote:
"Laura F. Spira" wrote:
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My dear James
How delightful! I am hugely flattered by your tempting offer but
I
need to know one thing before I allow myself to be lured: can you
sing? In addition to the items you have identified, many of my
fantasies include single malt and serenades.
You don't need that Follett guy, Laura. I can make you an
excellent
malt (vanilla or chocolate), especially if you want only one, and
I
have lotsa serenades on CD -- Mozart, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, Suk,
etc.
Don't tell Michael, tho.
An irresistible offer, Bob! I'd be on the next plane if I didn't
think
Sharon would pack a mean punch.
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Huh! And to think I offered a whole phrontistery! On a hill, at that.
At such moments the iron rather enters the soul, eh, what, Jeeves?
--
Mike. |
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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:48 pm
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Mike Lyle wrote:
| Quote: | Laura F. Spira wrote:
Robert Lieblich wrote:
"Laura F. Spira" wrote:
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My dear James
How delightful! I am hugely flattered by your tempting offer but
I
need to know one thing before I allow myself to be lured: can you
sing? In addition to the items you have identified, many of my
fantasies include single malt and serenades.
You don't need that Follett guy, Laura. I can make you an
excellent
malt (vanilla or chocolate), especially if you want only one, and
I
have lotsa serenades on CD -- Mozart, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, Suk,
etc.
Don't tell Michael, tho.
An irresistible offer, Bob! I'd be on the next plane if I didn't
think
Sharon would pack a mean punch.
Huh! And to think I offered a whole phrontistery! On a hill, at that.
At such moments the iron rather enters the soul, eh, what, Jeeves?
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You did? Remind me. A phrontistery is just what I need at the moment - I
had hoped to pursue some elusive thoughts this morning but have
experienced a series of irritating interruptions.
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Laura
(emulate St. George for email) |
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Jim Lawton
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:10 pm
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:27:51 +0200, trio@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux) wrote:
| Quote: | Jim Lawton <usenet1@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> wrote:
On 26 Oct 2005 09:21:23 -0700, "Xah Lee" <xah@xahlee.org> wrote:
can "out of order" be used on a person?
it is so used in Gulliver's Travels
http://xahlee.org/p/Gullivers_Travels/gt2ch04.html
a quick lookup in American Heritage Dict didn't find me the phrase.
Well when I first saw this post, I was going to answer an unequivocal
"yes", and despite what others have said, I still shall.
I hear this all the time in everyday speech, and it's frequently used on
TV.
"John brought his dog into the the theatre" - "That's a bit out of order".
"Bill told Mary to stop telling his wife how to behave, 'You're out of
order, Mary' he said."
Anyone who watches "Coronation St" will have heard "Danny" saying "You're
out of order, my son", to someone.
Of course *that* sense is used all the time. Vending machines are "out
of order," too. A bunch of file folders might be "out of order," as
well. None of those meanings fit the passage in question. Laura found
the OED listing for the 18th-century "ill, indisposed" sense.
I'm somewhat amazed at people's failure to follow the URL and read the
full question. Maybe it was the exclamation point in the Subject line
that threw them off, Xah Lee.
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You needn't be amazed. I think it is the job of the OP to make their question
clear, and to make sufficient information available in the group for discussion
to continue. In this case it would have been quite simple to quote or explain
the usage under discussion.
As it was, the OP got perfectly reasonable answers to his question :-
"can "out of order" be used on a person?"
I assume we have remarked that that should be "of a person", by the way?
--
Jim
the polymoth |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:17 pm
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Laura F. Spira wrote:
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| Quote: | You did? Remind me. A phrontistery is just what I need at the
moment
- I had hoped to pursue some elusive thoughts this morning but have
experienced a series of irritating interruptions.
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"Too late, too late! Ye cannot enter now."
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Mike. |
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Xah Lee
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:39 pm
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Mike Lyle wrote:
<<I didn't recognise them till your prompt. Need whiskers, though...
| Quote: | ^_^< ... no, that looks like a damaged bon-bon (sorry, Christmas
coming: reviving my Strine.) |
Dear Mike Lyle,
it has come to my attention, that you Englishmen do not possess
knowledge of writing appertain its net culture outside of the realm of
ABC.
The folks of USA, have come serendipitously cultivated a set of emotive
indicator in digitized form of writings commonly known as smilies. For
example:
 smiling
 sad
 laughing
 wink
the trick of their recognition is to look at them askance.
unbeknownst to Westerners who are based on ABC, in Japan and Far East a
completely different set of emoticons has developed. Videlicet:
(^_^) smiling
(^o^) guffawing
(x_x) dead
(>_<) angry
(@_@) dazed
(^_~) wink
(^_^); sweating
and one do not need to look at them askance.
=(^_^)= meow
Xah
xah@xahlee.org
∑ http://xahlee.org/ |
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William
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:39 am
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J.V.Ashby wrote:
| Quote: | William wrote:
John Dean wrote:
So much for the beginners' class. We will now proceed, for our
advanced class, to examine current BrE "well out of order".
And next week... "Naw Shut it!" and "Look aht guv, E's got a shoo'er".
Not to mention "Leave it, Will, 'e's not worf it."
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Leave it 'aht. Yor 'avin a larf.
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WH |
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John Dean
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:31 pm
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William wrote:
| Quote: | J.V.Ashby wrote:
William wrote:
John Dean wrote:
So much for the beginners' class. We will now proceed, for our
advanced class, to examine current BrE "well out of order".
And next week... "Naw Shut it!" and "Look aht guv, E's got a
shoo'er".
Not to mention "Leave it, Will, 'e's not worf it."
Leave it 'aht. Yor 'avin a larf.
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Do wot?
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John Dean
Oxford |
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