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The Other Fran
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:08 am
Post subject: Re: What is "old"? |
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Charles Riggs wrote:
| Quote: | On 26 Oct 2005 23:29:52 -0700, "The Other Fran"
fran_beta@hotmail.com> wrote:
Charles Riggs wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:09:50 GMT, Joe Fineman <joe_f@verizon.net
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I cling to the usage of my childhood: young up to 30, middle-aged up
to 65.
You're kidding yourself. Do you think you'll live to be 130? As for
30, that is well past the median age of people in most modern cities;
it is nearing middle-age.
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Charles Riggs
Isn't the median the halfway point between the greatest and smallest
values in a range?
"Average" is what I should have written.
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It turns out that I was labouring under a misapprehension on the
meaning of median anyway.
Apparently, the median age in Australia in 2005 (half above half below)
is 36.7 years. A comparison including about 20 countries has Vietnam at
19.7 and Greece at 40.8 years respectively.
http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/B52C3903D894336DCA2568A9001393C1?Open
TOF
| Quote: | If the oldest living person in a city is 102, and the youngest 0, then
isn't the median 51?
I tend to see middle-age as that big chunk in the middle of life
enclosing roughly 35-40% of the populace -- hence my parameters above.
TOF
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:08 am
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On 26 Oct 2005 23:25:11 -0700, "The Other Fran"
<fran_beta@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Charles Riggs wrote:
As I reckon it, the categories roughly go:
0 - 4 Baby
5 - 12 Child
13 - 17 Teenager
18 - 22 Young adult
23 - 34 Adult
35 - 45 Middle-aged
46 - 59 Elderly
OUCH!!! I'm elderly in this one.
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Don't feel bad -- I made it into the old category a few months ago.
| Quote: | I'd just got used to being
middle-aged. And I have to wait 30 years to be wise. I'm not sure I'll
ever be wise in that case.
60 - 77 Old
78 - Wise old man, or woman: an elder
If someone of 78 is an "elder" doesn't that make them "elderly"?
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Yes, but some elderly people in that range or the earlier one never
become elders.
| Quote: | People invariably place the middle-aged period of life much later in
life that they oughta. Most people fear death.
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I don't fear death. I do fear incapacity, indignity and unfinished
business however.
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That's what those subsequent lives are for -- to take care of
unfinished business. The more you have, the more lives you need, or so
the story goes.
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Charles Riggs |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:08 am
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On 26 Oct 2005 23:29:52 -0700, "The Other Fran"
<fran_beta@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Charles Riggs wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:09:50 GMT, Joe Fineman <joe_f@verizon.net
wrote:
I cling to the usage of my childhood: young up to 30, middle-aged up
to 65.
You're kidding yourself. Do you think you'll live to be 130? As for
30, that is well past the median age of people in most modern cities;
it is nearing middle-age.
--
Charles Riggs
Isn't the median the halfway point between the greatest and smallest
values in a range?
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"Average" is what I should have written.
| Quote: | If the oldest living person in a city is 102, and the youngest 0, then
isn't the median 51?
I tend to see middle-age as that big chunk in the middle of life
enclosing roughly 35-40% of the populace -- hence my parameters above.
TOF
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Charles Riggs
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JF
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:04 pm
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In message <4h63m15s9uf7gjrftqglic55bbfeu89hbb@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
<chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
| Quote: | On 26 Oct 2005 23:25:11 -0700, "The Other Fran"
fran_beta@hotmail.com> wrote:
Charles Riggs wrote:
As I reckon it, the categories roughly go:
0 - 4 Baby
5 - 12 Child
13 - 17 Teenager
18 - 22 Young adult
23 - 34 Adult
35 - 45 Middle-aged
46 - 59 Elderly
60 - 77 Old
78 - Wise old man, or woman: an elder
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What's wrong with plain 'old' for the last category? Woofers demand
recognition! I don't want to end up wise! Wise old men don't die
exciting youngman's deaths. I wanna be smothered to death by six naked
face-sitting Latvian girls in a Bognor brothel.
In Blair's new cool England, teenager and young adult can be merged into
'chav' (see chavtowns.co.uk). The coming ban on drinking in pubs serves
'em right.
I've just sat spent a dismal hour sitting through the BBC TV's latest
serial offering of 'Bleak House' with a feeling of mounting dismay,
thinking it can't get worse, but it did. No establishing shots so we
didn't know where the hell we were as we leapt from scene to scene, no
shots were properly lit, the dialogue was garbled and not one of the
amateur cameramen employed had ever heard of a dolly, and I doubt if the
director had been given a storyboard. Flash pans zips were invariably
accompanied by whoosh stings. 15 episodes to come and I shall pride
myself on missing every one.
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James Follett. Novelist. (G1LXP) http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk |
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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:32 pm
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JF wrote:
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I've just sat spent a dismal hour sitting through the BBC TV's latest
serial offering of 'Bleak House' with a feeling of mounting dismay,
thinking it can't get worse, but it did. No establishing shots so we
didn't know where the hell we were as we leapt from scene to scene, no
shots were properly lit, the dialogue was garbled and not one of the
amateur cameramen employed had ever heard of a dolly, and I doubt if the
director had been given a storyboard. Flash pans zips were invariably
accompanied by whoosh stings. 15 episodes to come and I shall pride
myself on missing every one.
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You've saved me some time then, which I shall probably devote ro
re-reading the book. I was already put off by the news that Andrew
Davies had seen fit to add an extra character.
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Laura
(emulate St. George for email) |
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Ross Howard
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:35 pm
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:04:29 +0100, JF <jf@NOSPAMmarage.demon.co.uk>
wrought:
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In message <4h63m15s9uf7gjrftqglic55bbfeu89hbb@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs
chriggs@?.net.invalid> writes
On 26 Oct 2005 23:25:11 -0700, "The Other Fran"
fran_beta@hotmail.com> wrote:
Charles Riggs wrote:
As I reckon it, the categories roughly go:
0 - 4 Baby
5 - 12 Child
13 - 17 Teenager
18 - 22 Young adult
23 - 34 Adult
35 - 45 Middle-aged
46 - 59 Elderly
60 - 77 Old
78 - Wise old man, or woman: an elder
What's wrong with plain 'old' for the last category? Woofers demand
recognition! I don't want to end up wise! Wise old men don't die
exciting youngman's deaths. I wanna be smothered to death by six naked
face-sitting Latvian girls in a Bognor brothel.
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I thought Bognor was challenged only by Bournemouth as the South
Coast's most decent den of pure iquity. Has it gone all continental
and interesting all of a sudden and I missed it?
| Quote: | In Blair's new cool England, teenager and young adult can be merged into
'chav' (see chavtowns.co.uk). The coming ban on drinking in pubs serves
'em right.
I've just sat spent a dismal hour sitting through the BBC TV's latest
serial offering of 'Bleak House' with a feeling of mounting dismay,
thinking it can't get worse, but it did. No establishing shots so we
didn't know where the hell we were as we leapt from scene to scene, no
shots were properly lit, the dialogue was garbled and not one of the
amateur cameramen employed had ever heard of a dolly, and I doubt if the
director had been given a storyboard. Flash pans zips were invariably
accompanied by whoosh stings. 15 episodes to come and I shall pride
myself on missing every one.
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Why did they even bother? Why didn't they save some money and just
repeat the fantabulous '80s version with Di Rigg, Our Denholm and
Peter Er Surname Forgotten But You Know The One He Always Used To Play
Evil Solicitors? If they were worried about it being considered too
dull and stale, I'm sure they could have stirred up a bit of interest
among Va Yoof by adding a few CGI shots of tens of thousands of poor
people bustling about their funky Victorian business..
And, meanwhile, what are we to make of Polanski's *Oliver Twist*? Has
anyone here yet summoned up the courage to go and see it?
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JF
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:19 pm
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In message <djsnmj$6e8$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, Laura F. Spira
<laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> writes
| Quote: | JF wrote:
I've just sat spent a dismal hour sitting through the BBC TV's
latest serial offering of 'Bleak House' with a feeling of mounting
dismay, thinking it can't get worse, but it did.
You've saved me some time then, which I shall probably devote ro
re-reading the book. I was already put off by the news that Andrew
Davies had seen fit to add an extra character.
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A sound rule for adapting work is that the adapter should take away, but
not add. Andrew Davis said that he thought hard about adding the Darcy
swimming scene and Darcy's searching London for Lydia and Mr Wickham in
'Pride and Prejudice', but they melded well, were brief, and he can be
forgiven.
In the adaptation of my 'The Silent Vulcan' trilogy for BBC7 (A BBC rule
is that authors should not adapt their own work -- dunno why), a shady
character was described as 'having a dress sense as sharp as his shiv'.
This was changed to 'having a dress sense as sharp as a spiv's'. I was
mortified. 'Spiv' is an archaic term which I would never use except in
dialogue set in the period when it was in more common usage. I've
harboured a suspicion that the adapter may have thought that most of the
audience wouldn't know what 'shiv' meant.
I didn't see the scripts first.
--
James Follett. Novelist. (G1LXP) http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk |
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:45 pm
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Ross Howard filted:
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:04:29 +0100, JF <jf@NOSPAMmarage.demon.co.uk
wrought:
What's wrong with plain 'old' for the last category? Woofers demand
recognition! I don't want to end up wise! Wise old men don't die
exciting youngman's deaths. I wanna be smothered to death by six naked
face-sitting Latvian girls in a Bognor brothel.
I thought Bognor was challenged only by Bournemouth as the South
Coast's most decent den of pure iquity. Has it gone all continental
and interesting all of a sudden and I missed it?
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If I recognize the setup, the proprietress of the brothel then says she's looked
everywhere, but can only come up with five Latvian girls and one Estonian and
hopes that this will do...Mr Follett then looks crestfallen and says "no, in
that case, just a cup of tea please"....r |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:49 pm
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JF <jf@NOSPAMmarage.demon.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | I've just sat spent a dismal hour sitting through the BBC TV's latest
serial offering of 'Bleak House' with a feeling of mounting dismay,
thinking it can't get worse, but it did. No establishing shots so we
didn't know where the hell we were as we leapt from scene to scene, no
shots were properly lit, the dialogue was garbled and not one of the
amateur cameramen employed had ever heard of a dolly, and I doubt if the
director had been given a storyboard. Flash pans zips were invariably
accompanied by whoosh stings. 15 episodes to come and I shall pride
myself on missing every one.
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Thank you for explaining why I drifted to sleep in fifteen minutes...
But, please what are these "Flash pans zips" and "whoosh stings"? Sounds
awfully energetic for that gray stew.
While we're on alternate versions, has the new Pride and Prejudice been
seen and discussed?
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Best - Donna Richoux |
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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:56 pm
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Donna Richoux wrote:
| Quote: | JF <jf@NOSPAMmarage.demon.co.uk> wrote:
I've just sat spent a dismal hour sitting through the BBC TV's latest
serial offering of 'Bleak House' with a feeling of mounting dismay,
thinking it can't get worse, but it did. No establishing shots so we
didn't know where the hell we were as we leapt from scene to scene, no
shots were properly lit, the dialogue was garbled and not one of the
amateur cameramen employed had ever heard of a dolly, and I doubt if the
director had been given a storyboard. Flash pans zips were invariably
accompanied by whoosh stings. 15 episodes to come and I shall pride
myself on missing every one.
Thank you for explaining why I drifted to sleep in fifteen minutes...
But, please what are these "Flash pans zips" and "whoosh stings"? Sounds
awfully energetic for that gray stew.
While we're on alternate versions, has the new Pride and Prejudice been
seen and discussed?
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I enjoyed it very much, although the dialogue seemed a bit modern. It
looked beautiful and I was rather taken with the depiction of the
Bennett household as being a bit more downmarket than usual, with pigs
and chickens wandering about.
--
Laura
(emulate St. George for email) |
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Mike Page
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:24 pm
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:32:22 +0100, "Laura F. Spira"
<laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | JF wrote:
I've just sat spent a dismal hour sitting through the BBC TV's latest
serial offering of 'Bleak House' with a feeling of mounting dismay,
thinking it can't get worse, but it did. No establishing shots so we
didn't know where the hell we were as we leapt from scene to scene, no
shots were properly lit, the dialogue was garbled and not one of the
amateur cameramen employed had ever heard of a dolly, and I doubt if the
director had been given a storyboard. Flash pans zips were invariably
accompanied by whoosh stings. 15 episodes to come and I shall pride
myself on missing every one.
You've saved me some time then, which I shall probably devote ro
re-reading the book. I was already put off by the news that Andrew
Davies had seen fit to add an extra character.
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Might be worth recording a few until it settles down. MDB ranted at
the first episode of the classic P&P a few years ago but was totally
absorbed by the end.
Mike Page
mikeorang.page@portchimp.ac.uk
Kill the monkeys for email |
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Ted Schuerzinger
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:07 am
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Somebody claiming to be R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> wrote in
news:djta210304i@drn.newsguy.com:
| Quote: | If I recognize the setup, the proprietress of the brothel then says
she's looked everywhere, but can only come up with five Latvian girls
and one Estonian and hopes that this will do...Mr Follett then looks
crestfallen and says "no, in that case, just a cup of tea
please"....r
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Would that be regular tea or clotted tea?
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Ted <fedya at bestweb dot net>
Oh Marge, anyone can miss Canada, all tucked away down there....
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Robert Bannister
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:56 am
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R H Draney wrote:
| Quote: | Ross Howard filted:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:04:29 +0100, JF <jf@NOSPAMmarage.demon.co.uk
wrought:
What's wrong with plain 'old' for the last category? Woofers demand
recognition! I don't want to end up wise! Wise old men don't die
exciting youngman's deaths. I wanna be smothered to death by six naked
face-sitting Latvian girls in a Bognor brothel.
I thought Bognor was challenged only by Bournemouth as the South
Coast's most decent den of pure iquity. Has it gone all continental
and interesting all of a sudden and I missed it?
If I recognize the setup, the proprietress of the brothel then says she's looked
everywhere, but can only come up with five Latvian girls and one Estonian and
hopes that this will do...Mr Follett then looks crestfallen and says "no, in
that case, just a cup of tea please"....r
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Joe Fineman
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:08 am
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P.S.: I forgot:
[] You catch yourself referring to people in their 20s as "kids".
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Joe Fineman
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:10 am
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"The Other Fran" <fran_beta@hotmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | Isn't the median the halfway point between the greatest and smallest
values in a range?
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No. It's the value that has half the population above it and half
below. I don't think there's a name for the statistic you mention.
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--- Joe Fineman joe_f@verizon.net
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