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Rick Wotnaz
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:09 am
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Robert Lieblich <robert.lieblich@verizon.net> wrote in
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| Quote: | Maria Conlon wrote:
That's what the American Federation of Labor says, too.
Very clever, Tootsie, but for most of its existence the union
went by "AFofL." They obviously anticipated the football league
and didn't want to preclude its use of "AFL."
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Yabbut it was the AFL-CIO when they were merged. They must not have
thought to call it the National Federation of Labor, with two
divisions.
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rzed
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Mark Brader
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:32 pm
Post subject: Re: Aussie Rules |
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Maria Conlon:
| Quote: | That's what the American Federation of Labor says, too.
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Bob Lieblich:
| Quote: | Very clever, Tootsie, but for most of its existence the union
went by "AFofL." They obviously anticipated the football league
and didn't want to preclude its use of "AFL."
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Dick Zantow:
| Quote: | Yabbut it was the AFL-CIO when they were merged.
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Yabbut it's *pronounced* Throat... er, "A F of L, C I O".
| Quote: | They must not have thought to call it the National Federation of
Labor, with two divisions.
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Y'know, after the BMT and the IRT were taken over by the MTA or
whatever they called it that year, the IRT became Division A
while the BMT and IND together became Division B.
But they had to make a distinction for clearance reasons.
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msb@vex.net | to Dorothy Parker or Mark Twain." -- Joe Fineman |
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Mark Brader
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:38 pm
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Bob Lieblich:
| Quote: | Before their merger in 1970, there were two professional football
leagues in the US, the National Football League and the American
Football League. There is now only the NFL, with two "conferences",
National and American. Before the merger, the American Football
League was known, naturally, as the AFL. Now it's the AFC. Feh!
There's now ... the "Arena Football League," and in the last couple
of years they've taken to referring to themselves as the AFL.
Those of us who remember the *real* AFL ... resent the hell out of
the cheapening of this glorious initialism ...
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Let us remember, though, that before the AFL and AFL, there was the
American Football League (AFL). And before that, there was the
American Football League (AFL). And before *that*, there was the
American Football League (AFL). 'Strue. Four different leagues
with the same name. (The first three were all in the period 1925-41,
and none of them lasted more than two years.)
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Mark Brader | "The race is not always to the swift,
Toronto | nor the battle to the strong --
msb@vex.net | but that is the way to bet it." --Damon Runyon
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Robert Lieblich
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:10 am
Post subject: Re: Aussie Rules |
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Mark Brader wrote:
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Bob Lieblich:
Before their merger in 1970, there were two professional football
leagues in the US, the National Football League and the American
Football League. There is now only the NFL, with two "conferences",
National and American. Before the merger, the American Football
League was known, naturally, as the AFL. Now it's the AFC. Feh!
There's now ... the "Arena Football League," and in the last couple
of years they've taken to referring to themselves as the AFL.
Those of us who remember the *real* AFL ... resent the hell out of
the cheapening of this glorious initialism ...
Let us remember, though, that before the AFL and AFL, there was the
American Football League (AFL). And before that, there was the
American Football League (AFL). And before *that*, there was the
American Football League (AFL). 'Strue. Four different leagues
with the same name. (The first three were all in the period 1925-41,
and none of them lasted more than two years.)
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And, amazingly, not one of them had a team named "Oakland Senors."
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Richard Bollard
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:08 am
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:17:11 -0700, "Skitt" <skitt99@comcast.net>
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| Quote: | Robert Lieblich wrote:
Richard Bollard wrote:
"Aussie Rules" is now Totally Officially termed "AFL". I don't like
this, the AFL is a competition not the game, dammit.
Before their merger in 1970, there were two professional football
leagues in the US, the National Football League and the American
Football League. There is now only the NFL, with two "conferences",
National and American. Before the merger, the American Football
League was known, naturally, as the AFL. Now it's the AFC. Feh!
There's now a game in the US called "arena football." It's played
indoors on a field that approximates a hockey rink in size, with some
changes in the rules to accommodate the setting. The league is called
the "Arena Football League," and in the last couple of years they've
taken to referring to themselves as the AFL. Those of us who remember
the *real* AFL of the New York Titans, Dallas Texans, Los Angeles
Chargers, Oakland Senors and the rest resent the hell out of the
cheapening of this glorious initialism by the Arena Football League
(for God's sake).
The Oakland what?
Are you Skittishly noting a typo: Senőrs or Seniors? |
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Richard Bollard
Canberra Australia
To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT. |
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Richard Bollard
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:08 am
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:56:42 GMT, "Ho ho ho" <tinpork@spamalot.org>
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| Quote: | "Richard Bollard" <richardb@spamt.edu.au> wrote in message
news:oe6ul112go1s3nf4rdbte3jvsnvb4t851k@4ax.com...
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:53:08 -0500, "Django Cat" <nospam@please
wrote:
CV or Resumé Down Under?
DC
Both are used.
They may work differently for different audiences. If you were after a
public service or an academic job, spelling it out "curriculum vitae"
was, in my experience, normal. "Résumé" is used in the trades.
But a CV and a résumé are two different things. They
have different names to distinguish one from the other.
Not in common usage. The difference is now just tone. |
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Richard Bollard
Canberra Australia
To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT. |
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Richard Bollard
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:08 am
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:30:45 -0400, Robert Lieblich
<robert.lieblich@verizon.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Richard Bollard wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:53:08 -0500, "Django Cat" <nospam@please
wrote:
CV or Resumé Down Under?
DC
Both are used.
They may work differently for different audiences. If you were after a
public service or an academic job, spelling it out "curriculum vitae"
was, in my experience, normal. "Résumé" is used in the trades.
"Aussie Rules" is now Totally Officially termed "AFL". I don't like
this, the AFL is a competition not the game, dammit.
Before their merger in 1970, there were two professional football
leagues in the US, the National Football League and the American
Football League. There is now only the NFL, with two "conferences",
National and American. Before the merger, the American Football
League was known, naturally, as the AFL. Now it's the AFC. Feh!
There's now a game in the US called "arena football." It's played
indoors on a field that approximates a hockey rink in size, with some
changes in the rules to accommodate the setting. The league is called
the "Arena Football League," and in the last couple of years they've
taken to referring to themselves as the AFL. Those of us who remember
the *real* AFL of the New York Titans, Dallas Texans, Los Angeles
Chargers, Oakland Senors and the rest resent the hell out of the
cheapening of this glorious initialism by the Arena Football League
(for God's sake).
And now the Aussies have appropriated it. Is nothing sacred?
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It think it is, many of my friends seem to worship it.
At least your AFLs are still leagues. We now get people saying things
like "my son played his first game of AFL at school today".
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Richard Bollard
Canberra Australia
To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT. |
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Robert Lieblich
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:37 pm
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Richard Bollard wrote:
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:17:11 -0700, "Skitt" <skitt99@comcast.net
wrote:
Robert Lieblich wrote:
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| Quote: | Those of us who remember
the *real* AFL of the New York Titans, Dallas Texans, Los Angeles
Chargers, Oakland Senors and the rest resent the hell out of the
cheapening of this glorious initialism by the Arena Football League
(for God's sake).
The Oakland what?
Are you Skittishly noting a typo: Senőrs or Seniors?
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I can't tell you Skitt's intent, but I *can* tell you that the team
was named "Senors" -- sans tilde. That's one reason the name was so
universally ridiculed that it was changed before the first game was
played.
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Bob Lieblich
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Skitt
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:17 pm
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Richard Bollard wrote:
| Quote: | "Skitt" wrote:
Robert Lieblich wrote:
Richard Bollard wrote:
"Aussie Rules" is now Totally Officially termed "AFL". I don't like
this, the AFL is a competition not the game, dammit.
Before their merger in 1970, there were two professional football
leagues in the US, the National Football League and the American
Football League. There is now only the NFL, with two "conferences",
National and American. Before the merger, the American Football
League was known, naturally, as the AFL. Now it's the AFC. Feh!
There's now a game in the US called "arena football." It's played
indoors on a field that approximates a hockey rink in size, with
some changes in the rules to accommodate the setting. The league
is called the "Arena Football League," and in the last couple of
years they've taken to referring to themselves as the AFL. Those
of us who remember the *real* AFL of the New York Titans, Dallas
Texans, Los Angeles Chargers, Oakland Senors and the rest resent
the hell out of the cheapening of this glorious initialism by the
Arena Football League (for God's sake).
The Oakland what?
Are you Skittishly noting a typo: Senőrs or Seniors?
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Naah, just that there never was a team that actually competed under that
name. They renamed themselves as Raiders before playing the first league
game. Bob was correct in that there are people, he among them, who remember
the name's existence for the team, and I should not have written anything.
I was not one who remembered the short-lived name that was never used during
any season's competition.
As for the spelling of the word, I have no idea what it was. Maybe it was
neither of your versions, but Seńors.
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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jerry_friedman@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:22 pm
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Richard Bollard wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:56:42 GMT, "Ho ho ho" <tinpork@spamalot.org
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"Richard Bollard" <richardb@spamt.edu.au> wrote in message
news:oe6ul112go1s3nf4rdbte3jvsnvb4t851k@4ax.com...
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:53:08 -0500, "Django Cat" <nospam@please
wrote:
CV or Resumé Down Under?
DC
Both are used.
They may work differently for different audiences. If you were after a
public service or an academic job, spelling it out "curriculum vitae"
was, in my experience, normal. "Résumé" is used in the trades.
But a CV and a résumé are two different things. They
have different names to distinguish one from the other.
Not in common usage. The difference is now just tone.
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In the U.S., I've only heard CV in academia, where it means a long
document listing all one's publications and anything else anyone could
possibly want to know. A résumé is usually limited to two pages of
highlights. (Twenty or twenty-five years ago, when I first had one, it
was limited to one page.)
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Robert Bannister
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:46 am
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Richard Bollard wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:56:42 GMT, "Ho ho ho" <tinpork@spamalot.org
wrote:
"Richard Bollard" <richardb@spamt.edu.au> wrote in message
news:oe6ul112go1s3nf4rdbte3jvsnvb4t851k@4ax.com...
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:53:08 -0500, "Django Cat" <nospam@please
wrote:
CV or Resumé Down Under?
DC
Both are used.
They may work differently for different audiences. If you were after a
public service or an academic job, spelling it out "curriculum vitae"
was, in my experience, normal. "Résumé" is used in the trades.
But a CV and a résumé are two different things. They
have different names to distinguish one from the other.
Not in common usage. The difference is now just tone.
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I'm struggling to remember the rules for applying for promotional
positions with the W Australian Dept of Education.
I think it was something like a very short CV, that simply listed where
and when you had worked before, plus a complicated letter of application
(wish I could remember its official name) in which you attempted to
demonstrate how you met the job criteria - this latter document had a
set maximum number of pages and font size, and it was so difficult to do
that many teachers employed professionals to write it for them. I have
no idea whether this is still the case.
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Mark Brader
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:05 am
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"Skitt" and Richard Bollard: write:
| Quote: | The Oakland what?
Are you Skittishly noting a typo: Senőrs or Seniors?
Naah, just that there never was a team that actually competed under that
name. They renamed themselves as Raiders before playing the first league
game. ...
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There must be something to this "no there there" thing there. The
team that started in the NHL as the California Seals in 1967 changed
their name within about 2 months to become the Oakland Seals, and
then once we'd gotten used to that, in 1970 they changed again and
became the California Golden Seals.
(This was a case of marketing vacillation. The team had actually
started as the San Francisco Seals in the WHL, and when plans to
move to a larger arena in SF on their admission to the NHL fell
through, the owner moved the team across the bay to Oakland. They
then had to decide whether the California name would lose them fans
from Oakland more than the Oakland name would lose them fans from
SF. Assembling a winning team might have been more helpful. In
1976 they gave up and moved out of California altogether.)
--
Mark Brader | "Oh, sure, you can make anything sound sleazy if you,
Toronto | you know, tell it exactly the way it happened."
msb@vex.net | -- Bruce Rasmussen: "Anything But Love"
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Richard Bollard
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:37 am
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:17:42 -0700, "Skitt" <skitt99@comcast.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | Richard Bollard wrote:
Are you Skittishly noting a typo: Senőrs or Seniors?
As for the spelling of the word, I have no idea what it was. Maybe it was
neither of your versions, but Seńors.
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There orta be a law! I googled to find where the tilde belonged and
then went and put it in the wrong place.
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Richard Bollard
Canberra Australia
To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT. |
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:24 am
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msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) writes:
| Quote: | There must be something to this "no there there" thing there. The
team that started in the NHL as the California Seals in 1967 changed
their name within about 2 months to become the Oakland Seals, and
then once we'd gotten used to that, in 1970 they changed again and
became the California Golden Seals.
(This was a case of marketing vacillation. The team had actually
started as the San Francisco Seals in the WHL, and when plans to
move to a larger arena in SF on their admission to the NHL fell
through, the owner moved the team across the bay to Oakland. They
then had to decide whether the California name would lose them fans
from Oakland more than the Oakland name would lose them fans from
SF. Assembling a winning team might have been more helpful. In
1976 they gave up and moved out of California altogether.)
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Unfortunately, their destination was Cleveland, where they weren't
quite as successful, lasting two seasons.
--
Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
HP Laboratories |When you rewrite a compiler from
1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |scratch, you sometimes fix things
Palo Alto, CA 94304 |you didn't know were broken.
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kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com
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