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Paul Burke
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:21 pm
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izzy wrote:
| Quote: | "e pluribus unum" ...might have been spelled "a flower bush you
name" but it would have retained its original meaning.
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Do you SPEAK English?
This all reminds me of the Victorian etymologist who derived Lambeth
from the Tibetan Lama, a priest, and the Hebrew Beth, a house. The
bishop's palace is, of course, at Lambeth.
Paul Burke
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izzy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:57 pm
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| Quote: | izzy wrote:
[ If ] "e pluribus unum" [had become an English idiom, it] ...might have been
spelled "a flower bush you name" but it would have retained its original meaning.
Do you SPEAK English?
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Yes. It is my native language.
| Quote: | This all reminds me of the Victorian etymologist who derived Lambeth
from the Tibetan Lama, a priest, and the Hebrew Beth, a house. The
bishop's palace is, of course, at Lambeth.
Paul Burke
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Would you derive Vatican from Hebrew Va3aD = committee + KohaNim =
priests ? ... rather than from Mt. Vatican? If not, from whence Mt.
Vatican?
Israel "izzy" Cohen (a kohen) |
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Paul Burke
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:22 pm
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izzy wrote:
| Quote: | Would you derive Vatican from Hebrew Va3aD = committee + KohaNim =
priests ? ... rather than from Mt. Vatican? If not, from whence Mt.
Vatican?
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Rather good at prediction, those old Romans, calling a hill and a swamp
the Committee of Priests, knowing it would become, a thousand years
later, the centre of a religion that didn't yet exist.
Perhaps "Vatican" is Etruscan for "Sorry, I don't speak Hebrew".
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Nick Wagg
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:33 pm
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"Paul Burke" <paul@scazon.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | izzy wrote:
Would you derive Vatican from Hebrew Va3aD = committee + KohaNim =
priests ? ... rather than from Mt. Vatican? If not, from whence Mt.
Vatican?
Rather good at prediction, those old Romans, calling a hill and a swamp
the Committee of Priests, knowing it would become, a thousand years
later, the centre of a religion that didn't yet exist.
Perhaps "Vatican" is Etruscan for "Sorry, I don't speak Hebrew".
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Vat I can vouch for. |
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mUs1Ka
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:03 am
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Paul Burke wrote:
| Quote: | izzy wrote:
Would you derive Vatican from Hebrew Va3aD = committee + KohaNim =
priests ? ... rather than from Mt. Vatican? If not, from whence Mt.
Vatican?
Rather good at prediction, those old Romans, calling a hill and a
swamp the Committee of Priests, knowing it would become, a thousand
years later, the centre of a religion that didn't yet exist.
Perhaps "Vatican" is Etruscan for "Sorry, I don't speak Hebrew".
Oy veh! Poor Izzy. He does vatican. |
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Ray.
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John Briggs
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Paul Burke wrote:
| Quote: | izzy wrote:
Would you derive Vatican from Hebrew Va3aD = committee + KohaNim =
priests ? ... rather than from Mt. Vatican? If not, from whence Mt.
Vatican?
Rather good at prediction, those old Romans, calling a hill and a
swamp the Committee of Priests, knowing it would become, a thousand
years later, the centre of a religion that didn't yet exist.
Perhaps "Vatican" is Etruscan for "Sorry, I don't speak Hebrew".
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Perhaps we should invoke the nuclear option? And speak the name "Peter T.
Daniels" out loud three times?
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Nick Wagg
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"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Paul Burke wrote:
izzy wrote:
Would you derive Vatican from Hebrew Va3aD = committee + KohaNim =
priests ? ... rather than from Mt. Vatican? If not, from whence Mt.
Vatican?
Rather good at prediction, those old Romans, calling a hill and a
swamp the Committee of Priests, knowing it would become, a thousand
years later, the centre of a religion that didn't yet exist.
Perhaps "Vatican" is Etruscan for "Sorry, I don't speak Hebrew".
Perhaps we should invoke the nuclear option? And speak the name "Peter T.
Daniels" out loud three times?
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Is that a variant of Godwin's Law? |
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John Briggs
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Nick Wagg wrote:
| Quote: | "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:7rIgf.281$Cj5.75@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
Paul Burke wrote:
izzy wrote:
Would you derive Vatican from Hebrew Va3aD = committee + KohaNim =
priests ? ... rather than from Mt. Vatican? If not, from whence Mt.
Vatican?
Rather good at prediction, those old Romans, calling a hill and a
swamp the Committee of Priests, knowing it would become, a thousand
years later, the centre of a religion that didn't yet exist.
Perhaps "Vatican" is Etruscan for "Sorry, I don't speak Hebrew".
Perhaps we should invoke the nuclear option? And speak the name
"Peter T. Daniels" out loud three times?
Is that a variant of Godwin's Law?
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In a way - but the effect is the opposite 
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izzy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:15 pm
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It is important to be able to laugh at oneself. And I did have a few
risible moments reading the comments following my Vatican from Va3aD
KohaNim (committee of priests) derivation. I think my favorite is from
Ray: "Oy veh! Poor Izzy. He does vatican."
However, it seems that the term Vatican is indeed derived from a
priestly group, but not the Roman Catholic one. I probably made a
mistake about the sex of the group (cf. Gallae). A Google search for <
Vatican hill goddess > turns up about 215,000 hits. Here are a few
excerpts:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter1.htm
Most notable was the Cybele cult centered on Vatican hill
http://www.aztriad.com/lavinia.html
...Cybele & Attis, served by Gallae "male'' priestesses, was the state
religion. Temples raised to the Goddess were peppered all over the
Empire, none more prominent than the one on the Vatican hill [the
Phrygianum], where St. Peter's Basilica would be erected. ...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GnosticThought/message/347
The Mithras cult was taken over by the Roman Christians, even Vatican
Hill was a sacred temple site of the Mithras worshipers.
http://www.bartleby.com/196/81.html
.... At Rome the new birth and the remission of sins by the shedding of
bull's blood appear to have been carried out above all at the
sanctuary of the Phrygian goddess on the Vatican Hill, at or near the
spot where the great basilica of St. Peter's now stands;...
The prophetic powers of Cybele as an oracle are described at
http://www.moonspeaker.ca/Delphi/delphi.html
Is there any connection between Cybele and its metathesis, celibate
(priests)?
Judaism also has a tradition of animal sacrifice for the purification
of sins: the red heifer.
http://www.templeinstitute.org/red_heifer/red_heifer_contents.htm
And the Jewish high priest was also an oracle when using the Urim and
Thummim...
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=52&letter=U
.... which may have been a light (reflected from the gemstones) to sound
(of the letters they represented) device. And, no, I don't derive
etymologies that way. :-)
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John Briggs
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:12 pm
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izzy wrote:
| Quote: | It is important to be able to laugh at oneself. And I did have a few
risible moments reading the comments following my Vatican from Va3aD
KohaNim (committee of priests) derivation. I think my favorite is from
Ray: "Oy veh! Poor Izzy. He does vatican."
However, it seems that the term Vatican is indeed derived from a
priestly group, but not the Roman Catholic one. I probably made a
mistake about the sex of the group (cf. Gallae). A Google search for
Vatican hill goddess > turns up about 215,000 hits. Here are a few
excerpts:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter1.htm
Most notable was the Cybele cult centered on Vatican hill
http://www.aztriad.com/lavinia.html
..Cybele & Attis, served by Gallae "male'' priestesses, was the state
religion. Temples raised to the Goddess were peppered all over the
Empire, none more prominent than the one on the Vatican hill [the
Phrygianum], where St. Peter's Basilica would be erected. ...
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The term "Gallae" does not exist - it is only used by American transsexuals.
There is no evidence for the presence of Galli in Rome.
| Quote: | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GnosticThought/message/347
The Mithras cult was taken over by the Roman Christians, even Vatican
Hill was a sacred temple site of the Mithras worshipers.
http://www.bartleby.com/196/81.html
... At Rome the new birth and the remission of sins by the shedding of
bull's blood appear to have been carried out above all at the
sanctuary of the Phrygian goddess on the Vatican Hill, at or near the
spot where the great basilica of St. Peter's now stands;...
The prophetic powers of Cybele as an oracle are described at
http://www.moonspeaker.ca/Delphi/delphi.html
Is there any connection between Cybele and its metathesis, celibate
(priests)?
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Since you ask, no. There is also probably no connection with Indian
hijras - but feel free to suggest one
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