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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 2:54 am    Post subject: How do you pronounce "Louis"? Reply with quote

How do you pronounce the "Louis" in:

1)

Louis Armstrong

2)

St. Louis

(the city)

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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 2:58 am    Post subject: Re: How do you pronounce "Louis"? Reply with quote

On 06 Sep 2004, MC wrote

Quote:
How do you pronounce the "Louis" in:

1)

Louis Armstrong

2)

St. Louis

(the city)

For what it's worth, my mind's ear hears both without the "s" -- but if
memory serves, the "s" should be sounded in Armstrong's case.

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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:44 am    Post subject: Re: How do you pronounce "Louis"? Reply with quote

"MC" <copespaz@mapca.inter.net> wrote in message
news:copespaz-6A1119.16543706092004@news.snafu.de...
Quote:
How do you pronounce the "Louis" in:

1)

Louis Armstrong

2)

St. Louis

(the city)



I would, in most cases, defer to what I understand is locals' pronunciation
of the city name. That is, I would pronounce the "s". However, in certain
circles and moods I might, because of the song, pronounce the city name as "
St. Looie". (You came a long way from St. Looie.)

By the same note, I would pronounce Mr. Armstrong's first name as "Looie",
even though he or Frank Sinatra may have pronunced the name "Louis", with an
"s". (May have been another singer--Sammy Davis, Jr, eg-- during some
patter on stage who pronounced it with an "s".)

I don't think anyone but a know-it-all would correct me in mid-conversation,
unless I were to insist, incorrectly, that my pronunciation at that moment
were the correct option. I admit to a bit of pedantry, after all.

I don't know which is the correct pronunciation in either case, though I
suspect that pronouncing the "s" is the less risky choice.
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:55 am    Post subject: Re: How do you pronounce "Louis"? Reply with quote

On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:44:19 GMT, Pat Durkin <durkinpa@peoplepc.com> wrote:

Quote:
By the same note, I would pronounce Mr. Armstrong's first name as
"Looie", even though he or Frank Sinatra may have pronunced the name
"Louis", with an "s".

Mr. Armstrong pronounced the "s" in "Louis". What would motivate you to
pronounce his name in any way other than his preferred pronunciation?
It seems at least mildly impolite to me.

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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:57 am    Post subject: Re: How do you pronounce "Louis"? Reply with quote

"Harvey Van Sickle" <harvey.news@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
On 06 Sep 2004, MC wrote

How do you pronounce the "Louis" in:

1)

Louis Armstrong

2)

St. Louis

(the city)

For what it's worth, my mind's ear hears both without the "s" -- but if
memory serves, the "s" should be sounded in Armstrong's case.

--
Cheers, Harvey

St Louis is generallysaid LEWIS and Louis Armstrong calls himself LEWIS
in the song Hello Dolly in the refrain HELLO DOLLY , THIS IS LOUIS{LEWIS}
DOLLY.
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:01 am    Post subject: Re: How do you pronounce "Louis"? Reply with quote

In alt.english.usage on Mon, 06 Sep 2004 20:58:24 GMT Harvey Van
Sickle <harvey.news@ntlworld.com> posted:

Quote:
On 06 Sep 2004, MC wrote

How do you pronounce the "Louis" in:

1)

Louis Armstrong

2)

St. Louis

(the city)

For what it's worth, my mind's ear hears both without the "s" -- but if
memory serves, the "s" should be sounded in Armstrong's case.

He may have been known both ways, but definitely with the
pronunciation Louie.

My brother's father was called both Louis and Louie. It was
prounounced Louis when it came with his first initial J. and his last
name. I don't know how my mother spelled his name in letters
addressed to him. When she died a"h we found some letters from him to
her, and I don't remember how they were signed.

If you mean the US city, it's normally prounced with the s, Louis, but
of course there is the famous song that goes, "Meet me in St. Louis,
Louie", where neither name has the 's' pronounced. I'm pretty sure
but not certain that a lot of people pronounced it Louie before,
during, and after the song's popularity.

Everyone pronounces Louisville without the 's' and many/most locals
pronounce it Louvul, last syllable rhymes with beautiful.

s/ meirman If you are emailing me please
say if you are posting the same response.

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Chicago, 6 years
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:12 am    Post subject: Re: How do you pronounce "Louis"? Reply with quote

In alt.english.usage on Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:55:32 GMT Michael DeBusk
<m_debusk@despammed.com> posted:

Quote:
On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:44:19 GMT, Pat Durkin <durkinpa@peoplepc.com> wrote:

By the same note, I would pronounce Mr. Armstrong's first name as
"Looie", even though he or Frank Sinatra may have pronunced the name
"Louis", with an "s".

Mr. Armstrong pronounced the "s" in "Louis". What would motivate you to
pronounce his name in any way other than his preferred pronunciation?
It seems at least mildly impolite to me.

Normally I would agree with you, but he was undoubtedly aware that
thousands of radio announcers called him Louie and eve if he didn't
promote that pronunciation at all, he didn't make any objection that I
know of.

I don't know how he was introduced when he appeared in person.

He was probably well aware that millions of people as called him
Louie.

I had forgotten what he called himself in Hello, Dolly, but there are
people who introduce themselves with one name and are still happy to
be called by a nickname. If the song was an objection to be called
Louie, I would think he would have objected some other, more clear way
also, or he would have told someone he didn't like it.

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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: How do you pronounce "Louis"? Reply with quote

In article <TS4%c.8057$Vl5.4700
@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, durkinpa@peoplepc.com
wrote...
Quote:

"MC" <copespaz@mapca.inter.net> wrote in message
news:copespaz-6A1119.16543706092004@news.snafu.de...
How do you pronounce the "Louis" in:

1)

Louis Armstrong

2)

St. Louis

(the city)



I would, in most cases, defer to what I understand is locals' pronunciation
of the city name. That is, I would pronounce the "s". However, in certain
circles and moods I might, because of the song, pronounce the city name as "
St. Looie". (You came a long way from St. Looie.)

There's also the song lyric -- "Meet me in St. Louie, Louie".
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 12:22 pm    Post subject: Re: How do you pronounce "Louis"? Reply with quote

MC wrote:

Quote:
How do you pronounce the "Louis" in:

1)

Louis Armstrong

Is Mac the Knife (which is a lift of the Threepenny Opera but thats another
story) Armstrong has a line "This is Louis" and pronounces the s at the
end.

gtoomey
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 12:55 pm    Post subject: Re: How do you pronounce "Louis"? Reply with quote

On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 18:12:57 -0400, meirman <meirman@invalid.com> wrote:

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Normally I would agree with you, but he was undoubtedly aware that
thousands of radio announcers called him Louie and eve if he didn't
promote that pronunciation at all, he didn't make any objection that
I know of.

Of course that's so. But you yourself spelled it "Louie". The original
question was how "Louis" is pronounced, and there was a reference to
Louis Armstrong. If I were to ask someone for their name and they said
"Louis", I'd write "Louis". If they said "Louie", I'd write "Louie".
The exception would be if they had what I might identify as a French
accent; in that case I'd ask them to spell it for me.

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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 1:04 pm    Post subject: Re: How do you pronounce "Louis"? Reply with quote

"Gregory Toomey" <nospam@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
MC wrote:

How do you pronounce the "Louis" in:

1)

Louis Armstrong

Is Mac the Knife (which is a lift of the Threepenny Opera but thats
another
story) Armstrong has a line "This is Louis" and pronounces the s at the
end.

gtoomey


Hello Dolly.
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 7:06 pm    Post subject: Re: How do you pronounce "Louis"? Reply with quote

MC <copespaz@mapca.inter.net> wrote in message news:<copespaz-6A1119.16543706092004@news.snafu.de>...

Quote:
How do you pronounce the "Louis" in:

The key word in your question is "you". How I
pronounce the word is without the "s". But so
what? Not everyone pronounces words the way I
do.

GFH
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 7:25 pm    Post subject: Re: How do you pronounce "Louis"? Reply with quote

In article <357803cb.0409070506.9c92227@posting.google.com>,
georgeh@ankerstein.org (George Hardy) wrote:

Quote:
How do you pronounce the "Louis" in:

The key word in your question is "you". How I
pronounce the word is without the "s". But so
what? Not everyone pronounces words the way I
do.

Indeed, the key word in my question *is* "you" -- and I wondered if
anyone would pick up on it.

"So what?" you ask. So... it might provide some indicators about
regional usage, pondian variations and so on. Or it might be something
else I'm interested in -- such as, whether anyone would make the point
you did.

But "So what?" is a question too, therefore equally subject to:

"Post a question in a news group and sooner or later someone will either
correct you, denounce the premise of the question, point out some real
or imagined error you have made, react angrily to some inference that
was never implied, gratuitously provide irrelevant information,* insist
that you gratuitously provide irrelevant information, castigate you for
the inadequacy of your research (without any knowledge of said
research), demand that you justify yourself by meeting some previously
undisclosed standard of erudition or education, or all of the above."

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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:07 am    Post subject: Re: How do you pronounce "Louis"? Reply with quote

In alt.english.usage on Tue, 07 Sep 2004 06:55:40 GMT Michael DeBusk
<m_debusk@despammed.com> posted:

Quote:
On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 18:12:57 -0400, meirman <meirman@invalid.com> wrote:

Normally I would agree with you, but he was undoubtedly aware that
thousands of radio announcers called him Louie and eve if he didn't
promote that pronunciation at all, he didn't make any objection that
I know of.

Of course that's so. But you yourself spelled it "Louie". The original
question was how "Louis" is pronounced, and there was a reference to

I wondered if I was being unclear when I capitalized that word. I
should have made clearer that they called him louie even when it was
written Louis, I think.

Quote:
Louis Armstrong. If I were to ask someone for their name and they said
"Louis", I'd write "Louis". If they said "Louie", I'd write "Louie".
The exception would be if they had what I might identify as a French
accent; in that case I'd ask them to spell it for me.

We know he was called louie, but no one has said yet if it was spelled
louie by himself or anyone else.

Similarly I don't know if my mother ever spelled her husband's name
louie, or always Louis, even when she pronounced it louie. (He died
when he was 32, some common disease.) I bring that up because I do
understand the point you are making. Good show, mate.

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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:12 am    Post subject: Re: How do you pronounce "Louis"? Reply with quote

MC wrote:
Quote:
How do you pronounce the "Louis" in:

1)

Louis Armstrong


I call him "Louie Armstrong," but I don't think of that as being spelled
"Louis." That spelling I pronounce "Lewis" except in the case of Frenchmen
and the coin called the "louis d'or." So strictly speaking, I would
pronounce "Louis Armstrong" as "Lewis Armstrong."


Quote:

2)

St. Louis

(the city)


I pronounce the "Louis" as "Lewis" in St. Louis, Missouri and St. Louis
Park, Minnesota (home town of Al Franken). I grew up in Central Illinois and
live in Minneapolis, Minnesota.


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