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Pat Durkin
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:59 pm
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"Michael DeBusk" <m_debusk@despammed.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:44:19 GMT, Pat Durkin <durkinpa@peoplepc.com
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By the same note, I would pronounce Mr. Armstrong's first name as
"Looie", even though he or Frank Sinatra may have pronunced the name
"Louis", with an "s".
Mr. Armstrong pronounced the "s" in "Louis". What would motivate you to
pronounce his name in any way other than his preferred pronunciation?
It seems at least mildly impolite to me.
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I am sure that if I were addressing Mr. Armstrong directly, I would call him
"Mister". If I were introducing him to others, I would, _if I were sure he
said his first name with an "s"_, introduce him as Mr. Louis (with an "s")
Armstrong. Remember, I was not sure whether he or Mr. Sinatra called him
"Louis" with an "s". You are the one who is dogmatic on this point. My
preference is to speak with an individual in person before performing an
introduction, just to be sure I have the name right. And in the case in
which no intros are to be performed, I would endeavor to ask. Lord knows
there are enough cocktail conversation introductions carried on with
enunciation hampered by alcohol, food, noise and ignorance.
When in a less formal, 3rd person situation, I would refer to the man by the
most commonly used, and the most affectionate name--Looie. Secondarily to
that, I might refer to him as "Satchmo".
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Cece
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:00 pm
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meirman <meirman@invalid.com> wrote in message news:<brmpj0dipsf6h8lhqa8cugh43l7pk83oss@4ax.com>...
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Everyone pronounces Louisville without the 's' and many/most locals
pronounce it Louvul, last syllable rhymes with beautiful.
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If you speak of the one in Kentucky, people from there and its
surroundings stick an extra L in: 'lu@lv@l -- Diane Sawyer, for
example.
From what I've heard and seen -- and my favorite radio station plays
'40s on -- the usual pronunciation of Armstrong's name is Louie, but
the usual spelling is Louis. The city in Missouri always has the s
pronounced, except in certain songs.
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raymond o'hara
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:22 am
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"Cece" <ceceliaarmstrong@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | meirman <meirman@invalid.com> wrote in message
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Everyone pronounces Louisville without the 's' and many/most locals
pronounce it Louvul, last syllable rhymes with beautiful.
If you speak of the one in Kentucky, people from there and its
surroundings stick an extra L in: 'lu@lv@l -- Diane Sawyer, for
example.
From what I've heard and seen -- and my favorite radio station plays
'40s on -- the usual pronunciation of Armstrong's name is Louie, but
the usual spelling is Louis. The city in Missouri always has the s
pronounced, except in certain songs.
Cece
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Louie is used as a nickname for Louis.
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Raymond S. Wise
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:07 am
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raymond o'hara wrote:
| Quote: | "Cece" <ceceliaarmstrong@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1ca2e706.0409080900.407f30a7@posting.google.com...
meirman <meirman@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:<brmpj0dipsf6h8lhqa8cugh43l7pk83oss@4ax.com>...
Everyone pronounces Louisville without the 's' and many/most locals
pronounce it Louvul, last syllable rhymes with beautiful.
If you speak of the one in Kentucky, people from there and its
surroundings stick an extra L in: 'lu@lv@l -- Diane Sawyer, for
example.
From what I've heard and seen -- and my favorite radio station plays
'40s on -- the usual pronunciation of Armstrong's name is Louie, but
the usual spelling is Louis. The city in Missouri always has the s
pronounced, except in certain songs.
Cece
Louie is used as a nickname for Louis.
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I found the following in the FAQ at www.satchmo.net :
From
http://www.satchmo.net/faq/smartfaq.cgi?answer=1003792366&id=1003792218
[quote]
*Is Louis's name pronounced "Lewis" or "Louie"?*
Judging from home recorded tapes now in the Archives, Louis pronounced his
own name as "Lewis." On his 1964 record "Hello, Dolly," he sings, "This is
Lewis, Dolly" but in 1933 he made a record called "Laughin' Louie." Many
broadcast announcers, fans, and acquaintances called him "Louie" and the
Armstrong Archives has a 1983 videotape of Lucille Armstrong in which she
calls her late husband "Louie." Musicians and close friends usually called
him "Pops."
[end quote]
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Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
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Michael DeBusk
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:17 pm
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On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 15:59:26 GMT, Pat Durkin <durkinpa@peoplepc.com> wrote:
| Quote: | By the same note, I would pronounce Mr. Armstrong's first name
as "Looie", even though he or Frank Sinatra may have pronunced
the name "Louis", with an "s".
Mr. Armstrong pronounced the "s" in "Louis". What would motivate
you to pronounce his name in any way other than his preferred
pronunciation? It seems at least mildly impolite to me.
I am sure that if I were addressing Mr. Armstrong directly, I would
call him "Mister". If I were introducing him to others, I would,
_if I were sure he said his first name with an "s"_, introduce him
as Mr. Louis (with an "s")
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I don't understand. You said (quoted at the top) that you would
pronounce it as if it were "Louie" even though he may have pronounced
the "s". Then you said you would pronounce it with the "s" if that's
the way he said it. Has something changed?
| Quote: | Remember, I was not sure whether he or Mr. Sinatra called him
"Louis" with an "s".
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I noted that, and noted that you said you'd pronounce it without the
"s" regardless of how he pronounced it. That prompted my question.
| Quote: | You are the one who is dogmatic on this point.
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Asking a question cannot reasonably be said to be a demonstration of
dogmatism, can it? I asked what would motivate you to pronounce a man's
name in any other way than the one he himself used. True, I commented
on how I thought it at least mildly impolite, but that was an opinion,
not an accusation... after all, you may have a good reason which I'd
never before considered.
If you were to write your name on a form and hand the form to a clerk,
and he or she then were to pronounce your name as if it were written
"Pete", would you: assume your handwriting had been smudged; assume
they were merely using some sort of alternate pronunciation of the
letter "a"; or correct them with, "my name is Pat"?
Incidentally, it occurs to me, after reading Meirman's reference to a
song in which Louis Armstrong pronounced his name with an "s", that all
I had done was asserted that he did so, without saying how I knew. If
that contributed to our misundersanding, I'm sorry.
| Quote: | When in a less formal, 3rd person situation, I would refer to the
man by the most commonly used, and the most affectionate
name--Looie. Secondarily to that, I might refer to him as
"Satchmo".
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I agree with you that that is what you might do. It's certainly what I
would do. If someone asked me who sang, "What a Wonderful World", I'd
very likely tell them it was "Louie Armstrong". If they were to then
ask me to spell it, I would not spell it L-O-U-I-S, but L-O-U-I-E.
My name is "Michael" but I often answer to "Mike", sometimes to "Uncle
Mike", increasingly to "Big Mike", and if the nurse is cute enough,
even to "Mikey" on occasion. One local drunk sometimes calls me "hey
you fat bald motherfucker", and just for him I'll turn and say, "Yes?"
(After all, I *am* fat, I *am* bald, and about three quarters of the
women I've fucked have had kids; how can I argue?) None of those is an
alternative pronunciation of the word "Michael"; they're nick-names,
and they all have their unique spellings.
The OP's question was, how do you pronounce "Louis", as in "Louis
Armstrong". I interpreted that to say, "How do you pronounce the word
which is spelled L-O-U-I-S when used as the name of that particular
famous musician?"
FWIW, I say "St. Louis" with the "s", but I say "Louisville" without
it. I don't say "Looeyville", though... more like "Looihville". That's
the way I've heard natives of that town say it. With a little traveling
and a bit of getting lost in the process, I've learned that it is
useful to ask for directions in a way the locals understand. "Baton
Rouge" is "battn rooj" to me unless I feel like saying "red stick",
and "New Orleans" to me is "norlins". And California is "Kaluhfornyuh"
no matter what the guy in charge of it says. ;)
For the life of me, though, I don't understand why we call it "Germany"
when the citizens call it "Deutschland", or why we call it "Japan" when
the citizens call it "Nihon". Seems to me we ought to at least take a
reasonable stab at it their way.
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Michael DeBusk, Co-Conspirator to Make the World a Better Place
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Michael DeBusk
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:20 pm
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On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:07:58 -0400, meirman <meirman@invalid.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I bring that up because I do understand the point you are making.
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Cool. Could you help me understand it, then? ;)
| Quote: | Born west of Pittsburgh Pa. 10 years
Indianapolis, 7 years
Chicago, 6 years
Brooklyn NY 12 years
Baltimore 20 years
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So... to you, is it "Ballmer" or "Bawldymower"?
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MC
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 4:24 pm
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In article <8kU%c.13356$Wv5.5222@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Michael DeBusk <m_debusk@despammed.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Asking a question cannot reasonably be said to be a demonstration of
dogmatism, can it?
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Oh, but it most assuredly can! Let me refer you to MC's Law:
"Post a question in a news group and sooner or later someone will either
correct you, denounce the premise of the question, point out some real
or imagined error you have made, react angrily to some inference that
was never implied, gratuitously provide irrelevant information,* insist
that you gratuitously provide irrelevant information, castigate you for
the inadequacy of your research (without any knowledge of said
research), demand that you justify yourself by meeting some previously
undisclosed standard of erudition or education, or all of the above."
MC's Law © ® All Rights Reserved. Worldwide Patents Pending. Reg.
Penna. Dept. Ag. "UNDER PENALTY OF LAW THIS TAG SHALL NOT BE REMOVED
EXCEPT BY THE CONSUMER" *The Schultz Amendment.
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meirman
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:10 pm
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In alt.english.usage on Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:20:39 GMT Michael DeBusk
<m_debusk@despammed.com> posted:
| Quote: | On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:07:58 -0400, meirman <meirman@invalid.com> wrote:
I bring that up because I do understand the point you are making.
Cool. Could you help me understand it, then? 
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No, but I'll throw this in.
In Yahoo, I got 541,000 hits on Louis Prima and 39,000 for Louie
Prima.
Of the first 10 hits for Louie Prima, the Yahoo excerpt only used the
name Louis.
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Born west of Pittsburgh Pa. 10 years
Indianapolis, 7 years
Chicago, 6 years
Brooklyn NY 12 years
Baltimore 20 years
So... to you, is it "Ballmer" or "Bawldymower"?
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I recognize local speech but don't use it much.
But I am trying to learn how to say Druid Hill Park as Droodle Park.
s/ meirman If you are emailing me please
say if you are posting the same response.
Born west of Pittsburgh Pa. 10 years
Indianapolis, 7 years
Chicago, 6 years
Brooklyn NY 12 years
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meirman
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:19 am
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In alt.english.usage on Wed, 08 Sep 2004 15:59:26 GMT "Pat Durkin"
<durkinpa@peoplepc.com> posted:
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I am sure that if I were addressing Mr. Armstrong directly, I would call him
"Mister". If I were introducing him to others, I would, _if I were sure he
said his first name with an "s"_, introduce him as Mr. Louis (with an "s")
Armstrong. Remember, I was not sure whether he or Mr. Sinatra called him
"Louis" with an "s". You are the one who is dogmatic on this point. My
preference is to speak with an individual in person before performing an
introduction, just to be sure I have the name right. And in the case in
which no intros are to be performed, I would endeavor to ask. Lord knows
there are enough cocktail conversation introductions carried on with
enunciation hampered by alcohol, food, noise and ignorance.
When in a less formal, 3rd person situation, I would refer to the man by the
most commonly used, and the most affectionate name--Looie. Secondarily to
that, I might refer to him as "Satchmo".
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I think he called himself Satchmos. For some reason, most of the
public dropped the 's'.
s/ meirman If you are emailing me please
say if you are posting the same response.
Born west of Pittsburgh Pa. 10 years
Indianapolis, 7 years
Chicago, 6 years
Brooklyn NY 12 years
Baltimore 20 years |
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meirman
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:27 am
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In alt.english.usage on Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:10:48 -0400 meirman
<meirman@invalid.com> posted:
| Quote: | In alt.english.usage on Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:20:39 GMT Michael DeBusk
m_debusk@despammed.com> posted:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:07:58 -0400, meirman <meirman@invalid.com> wrote:
I bring that up because I do understand the point you are making.
Cool. Could you help me understand it, then? ;)
No, but I'll throw this in.
In Yahoo, I got 541,000 hits on Louis Prima and 39,000 for Louie
Prima.
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That is, even though I never heard him called anything but louie (not
capitalized to show that I mean pronunciation in this case), there
were more than 10 times as many hits on Louis than Louie.
| Quote: | Of the first 10 hits for Louie Prima, the Yahoo excerpt only used the
name Louis.
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Oops. It only used the name Louis in in the Yahoo excerpt of *four*
of the ten.
s/ meirman If you are emailing me please
say if you are posting the same response.
Born west of Pittsburgh Pa. 10 years
Indianapolis, 7 years
Chicago, 6 years
Brooklyn NY 12 years
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Michael DeBusk
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 06:24:06 -0400, MC <copespaz@mapca.inter.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Let me refer you to MC's Law:
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As the man said after buying a pair of orthotics: I stand corrected.
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Michael DeBusk
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:10:48 -0400, meirman <meirman@invalid.com> wrote:
| Quote: | But I am trying to learn how to say Druid Hill Park as Droodle Park.
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I haven't been able to figure out the rationale behind the naming of
"Television Hill". I've been there and it didn't look anything like a
television. To the contrary, it was nice.
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MC
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:56 pm
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In article <lWb0d.15781$Wv5.3380@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Michael DeBusk <m_debusk@despammed.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Let me refer you to MC's Law:
As the man said after buying a pair of orthotics: I stand corrected.
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As the man with a wooden leg said: That is a matter of a pinion.
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Bill McCray
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On 8 Sep 2004 10:00:48 -0700, ceceliaarmstrong@yahoo.com (Cece) wrote:
| Quote: | meirman <meirman@invalid.com> wrote in message news:<brmpj0dipsf6h8lhqa8cugh43l7pk83oss@4ax.com>...
Everyone pronounces Louisville without the 's' and many/most locals
pronounce it Louvul, last syllable rhymes with beautiful.
If you speak of the one in Kentucky, people from there and its
surroundings stick an extra L in: 'lu@lv@l -- Diane Sawyer, for
example.
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Not that I've ever heard. "LOO uh vul" is how I hear it generally,
except on TV where it's usually "LOO ee ville". I am told that the
one in Colorado is pronounced "Lewisville".
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meirman
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 6:27 am
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In alt.english.usage on Fri, 10 Sep 2004 06:38:52 GMT Michael DeBusk
<m_debusk@despammed.com> posted:
| Quote: | On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:10:48 -0400, meirman <meirman@invalid.com> wrote:
But I am trying to learn how to say Druid Hill Park as Droodle Park.
I haven't been able to figure out the rationale behind the naming of
"Television Hill". I've been there and it didn't look anything like a
television. To the contrary, it was nice.
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That's where the television antennas, and the transmitters that go
with them, for most of the major tv stations are. And two or three
stations have 3- or 4-room buildings, where the technicians work and
maybe a spare studio. (Once on "WKRP in Cincinatti" the radio station
had to send a DJ out to the transmitter, because the link was broken
from the station to the transmitter. They had a small studio at the
transmitter. That's what I'm basing this guess on.  )
I've only been there once and I didn't get out of the car. There may
be smaller buildings in the back or maybe, even though only one
station each was named on the front of each building, they rent space
in them to other stations.
There are only one or two tall structures, but there is more than one
antenna on each one.
It's not a big hill, and has only one street going to the top iirc,
with a loop like a driveway for something smaller than the Vanderbilt
Mansion, and then back to that street.
Radio stations don't seem to be there, even those that share call
letters with tv stations. There are three radio stations on the
northwest side, one right by the beltway and exit 20, and two farther
out. It's farther inland and higher here, although maybe tv hill is
as high, and it's very close to the center of the city.
s/ meirman If you are emailing me please
say if you are posting the same response.
Born west of Pittsburgh Pa. 10 years
Indianapolis, 7 years
Chicago, 6 years
Brooklyn NY 12 years
Baltimore 20 years |
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