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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:50 am
Post subject: Re: Toast Soldiers - non-standard usage? |
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Wood Avens wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:28:54 -0700, que.sara.saraDELETE@gmail.com
(Sara Lorimer) wrote:
Laura F. Spira <laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
Huh. I never got a welcome from anyone. Not even Garry, who seemed to be
doing the meeting and greeting at that time. But he did make up for it
later with the neck orders.
Welcome to AUE, Laura! Keep an eye out for the FAQs, posted every day or
two by Donna -- you'll find lots of good material in there.
Actually, I think the trick is to appear to leave and then come back
again. I say "appear to" because if you really go you miss all the
heart-warming questions about where you've got to and whether anyone's
seen you recently. And then you return and you're greeted with happy
cries of "Welcome back!"
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I daren't do that - the potential lack of heart-warming questions would
be very risky for this rampant narcissist.
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Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:54 am
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Mike Page wrote:
<snip discussion of wipe>
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and even earlier as a noun meaning the act of wiping or a blow
1550 BALE Image Both Ch. II. 66b, He [sc. the Beast] had a greuouse
wype with the sworde (which is the lyuynge worde of the lorde) whan he
lost his monks [etc.].
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What does "the lyuynge worde of the lorde" mean?
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Laura
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:05 am
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Laura F. Spira wrote:
| Quote: | Mike Page wrote:
snip discussion of wipe
and even earlier as a noun meaning the act of wiping or a blow
1550 BALE Image Both Ch. II. 66b, He [sc. the Beast] had a
greuouse
wype with the sworde (which is the lyuynge worde of the lorde)
whan
he lost his monks [etc.].
What does "the lyuynge worde of the lorde" mean?
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Ye hadde to bee on lyue atte the time.
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Mike.
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:07 am
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Laura F. Spira filted:
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Mike Page wrote:
snip discussion of wipe
and even earlier as a noun meaning the act of wiping or a blow
1550 BALE Image Both Ch. II. 66b, He [sc. the Beast] had a greuouse
wype with the sworde (which is the lyuynge worde of the lorde) whan he
lost his monks [etc.].
What does "the lyuynge worde of the lorde" mean?
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The word that is most likely troubling you is "living"....r |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:11 am
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Sara Lorimer wrote:
| Quote: | Laura F. Spira wrote:
Huh. I never got a welcome from anyone. Not even Garry, who seemed
to be doing the meeting and greeting at that time. But he did make
up for it later with the neck orders.
Welcome to AUE, Laura! Keep an eye out for the FAQs, posted every day
or two by Donna -- you'll find lots of good material in there.
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That's all well and good, but do you hand out AUE logo T-shirts like the one
I got? Well, do you? Hmm?
I didn't get it when I first started posting, of course. It took a while.
Like more than two years.
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
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Sara Lorimer
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:22 am
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Skitt <skitt99@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Sara Lorimer wrote:
Laura F. Spira wrote:
Huh. I never got a welcome from anyone. Not even Garry, who seemed
to be doing the meeting and greeting at that time. But he did make
up for it later with the neck orders.
Welcome to AUE, Laura! Keep an eye out for the FAQs, posted every day
or two by Donna -- you'll find lots of good material in there.
That's all well and good, but do you hand out AUE logo T-shirts like the one
I got? Well, do you? Hmm?
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Yes, in fact, I did once:
<http://alt-usage-english.org/totally_official/nyc_boink_2001/iu003.jpg>
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SML |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:22 am
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M. J. Powell wrote:
| Quote: | In message <3saa3eFnd59vU3@individual.net>, Mike Lyle
mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> writes
M. J. Powell wrote:
[...]
Dunno. Why would an Admiral object to an airman wearing the DFC?
I think it was strictly speaking only for the RAF: sailors got the
DSO. Or such is my memory: I imagine I got the story from Paul
Brickhill's _The Dam-Busters_.
It is only for the RAF. I don't know the naval equivalent, but the
DSO
is one up on the DFC.
I did have a useful URL for medals and awards but I lost it when my
computer crashed.
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Probably DSC, then.
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:25 am
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:50:57 +0100, "Laura F. Spira"
<laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | I daren't do that - the potential lack of heart-warming questions would
be very risky for this rampant narcissist.
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Why am I picturing a carved stone over the Spira residence's lintel
with a narcissist on its hind legs?
Narcissus, of course, was not an "it", but when describing a
narcissist "his or her" seems inappropriate. The narcissist is said
to be self-absorbed, but more attention seems to given to Narcissus
staring at his reflection in the water than paid to the other part of
the myth: that he spurned sex and died as a result. That seems to me
to be enough of a downside to narcissism to avoid it.
Stick with rampant dragons, Laura. They fared better as long as they
avoided George. George got his comeuppance, though, at Lydda.
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Tony Cooper
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Skitt
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:45 am
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Laura F. Spira wrote:
| Quote: | Sara Lorimer wrote:
Laura F. Spira wrote:
Huh. I never got a welcome from anyone. Not even Garry, who seemed
to be doing the meeting and greeting at that time. But he did make
up for it later with the neck orders.
Welcome to AUE, Laura! Keep an eye out for the FAQs, posted every
day or two by Donna -- you'll find lots of good material in there.
Well, that's very kind of you, Sara, even if it is almost exactly
eight years too late. My first post here was on 2 Nov 1997. I can
barely remember what life was like back then...
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You beat me by only four days? I thought you have been here longer than
that.
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:49 am
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Sara Lorimer wrote:
| Quote: | Skitt wrote:
Sara Lorimer wrote:
Laura F. Spira wrote:
Huh. I never got a welcome from anyone. Not even Garry, who seemed
to be doing the meeting and greeting at that time. But he did make
up for it later with the neck orders.
Welcome to AUE, Laura! Keep an eye out for the FAQs, posted every
day or two by Donna -- you'll find lots of good material in there.
That's all well and good, but do you hand out AUE logo T-shirts like
the one I got? Well, do you? Hmm?
Yes, in fact, I did once:
http://alt-usage-english.org/totally_official/nyc_boink_2001/iu003.jpg
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I did not know that. Wild!
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:09 am
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Skitt wrote:
| Quote: | Laura F. Spira wrote:
Sara Lorimer wrote:
Laura F. Spira wrote:
Huh. I never got a welcome from anyone. Not even Garry, who seemed
to be doing the meeting and greeting at that time. But he did make
up for it later with the neck orders.
Welcome to AUE, Laura! Keep an eye out for the FAQs, posted every
day or two by Donna -- you'll find lots of good material in there.
Well, that's very kind of you, Sara, even if it is almost exactly
eight years too late. My first post here was on 2 Nov 1997. I can
barely remember what life was like back then...
You beat me by only four days? I thought you have been here longer
than that.
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My first post (per Google) was October 7, 1997. And I, too, thought that
certain others had been here longer -- you and Laura, for instance.
In what was apparently my second post, I managed to irritate several
regular posters, Truly Donovan among them, when I offered an opinion
about the practice of posting from work. (I didn't think it was right,
but maybe that was because there was no way I could do it.) Getting off
on the wrong foot, it's called (OBaue).
But I was welcomed at some point early on -- I think by Donna and Garry,
and I think by email.
Aue T-shirts: I have two. I think I paid for them with peanut butter.
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Richard Bollard
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:09 am
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:20:10 +0100, "Laura F. Spira"
<laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Evan Kirshenbaum wrote:
"Laura F. Spira" <laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> writes:
The OED definition relating to the objects under discussion is:
A disposable piece of soft absorbent cloth or tissue, sometimes
impregnated with a cleansing agent, for wiping clean one's hands or
anything small.
- with the following illustrations:
1971 Textile Industries Dec. 50/1 Towels, Covers, Pads, and
Wipes. 1974 HAWKEY & BINGHAM Wild Card ix. 87 Half-empty boxes of
medical wipes lying on the ultra~centrifuge. 1978 ‘M. YORKE’ Point
of Murder ii. 19 Kate's hands had got oily..but she kept some tissue
wipes in the car. 1980 Chem. in Brit. XVI. 449/4 For situations
where protective gloves are inconvenient, Chicopee has brought out
Dermawipe impregnated hand wipes.
So my surmise about the date of this particular usage seems about right.
I think we can push it back a bit further. Colgate-Palmolive
registered a trademark for "Handi Wipes" in 1967, citing a first use
in commerce date of 1964. "Windex Wipes" ("paper towels for cleaning
windows, dusting, polishing and other uses") date to 1961.
"Peri-Wipes" ("cellulose tissues, especially adapted for perineal care
and feminine hygiene") date to 1966. "Steri-Wipes" ("sterile pads
impregnated with an antiseptic solution for cleansing and preparing
the skin area prior to injecting") to 1964. There are a couple of
earlier ones that were probably less widespread or (like "one-wipe")
not necessarily pluralized.
So it looks as though the transfer from the act of wiping to the thing
used for wiping took place in the 1960s or perhaps late '50s. "Handi
Wipes", which were untreated, would certainly have been widely known
in the US. (We used them when I was growing up.) The treated ones
appear to have arisen in the medical community at around the same
time. I had thought that there was a trademark for one of those
"moist towlette" things that you got at restaurants that included
"wipe", but I can't seem to find it.
Well, it sometimes takes Rightpondia a little while to catch up. When I
was first delighted by the convenience of baby wipes, disposable nappies
were practically unknown in the UK - the gift of a box of Pampers from
our USAF friends caused great excitement.
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All's well. That just leaves us with "intimate wipes" where the
addition of "intimate" coyly suggests some kind of "not in front of
anyone, let alone the children" purpose.
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Richard Bollard
Canberra Australia
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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:02 pm
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Skitt wrote:
| Quote: | Laura F. Spira wrote:
Sara Lorimer wrote:
Laura F. Spira wrote:
Huh. I never got a welcome from anyone. Not even Garry, who seemed
to be doing the meeting and greeting at that time. But he did make
up for it later with the neck orders.
Welcome to AUE, Laura! Keep an eye out for the FAQs, posted every
day or two by Donna -- you'll find lots of good material in there.
Well, that's very kind of you, Sara, even if it is almost exactly
eight years too late. My first post here was on 2 Nov 1997. I can
barely remember what life was like back then...
You beat me by only four days? I thought you have been here longer than
that.
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It seems longer. I had heard much about aue before I ventured in. My
erudite and charming friend Professor Page arrived here first and became
deeply embroiled in brass monkey debates. He kept telling me that I
would enjoy the cut and thrust, and the puns, but I resisted the
temptation to investigate for quite a while.
<whisper> And I've never read the FAQ...
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Laura
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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:15 pm
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:50:57 +0100, "Laura F. Spira"
laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
I daren't do that - the potential lack of heart-warming questions would
be very risky for this rampant narcissist.
Why am I picturing a carved stone over the Spira residence's lintel
with a narcissist on its hind legs?
Narcissus, of course, was not an "it", but when describing a
narcissist "his or her" seems inappropriate. The narcissist is said
to be self-absorbed, but more attention seems to given to Narcissus
staring at his reflection in the water than paid to the other part of
the myth: that he spurned sex and died as a result. That seems to me
to be enough of a downside to narcissism to avoid it.
Stick with rampant dragons, Laura. They fared better as long as they
avoided George. George got his comeuppance, though, at Lydda.
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I, too, find the notion a little odd but the person who accused me of
rampant narcissism (among other extensive personality failings) was
something of a literary scholar and, although it was intended as an
insult, I thought it was rather good. Others might have a view on its
accuracy but I think I have probably lived up to the description by
telling everyone about it.
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Laura
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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:24 pm
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Maria Conlon wrote:
| Quote: | Skitt wrote:
Laura F. Spira wrote:
Sara Lorimer wrote:
Laura F. Spira wrote:
Huh. I never got a welcome from anyone. Not even Garry, who seemed
to be doing the meeting and greeting at that time. But he did make
up for it later with the neck orders.
Welcome to AUE, Laura! Keep an eye out for the FAQs, posted every
day or two by Donna -- you'll find lots of good material in there.
Well, that's very kind of you, Sara, even if it is almost exactly
eight years too late. My first post here was on 2 Nov 1997. I can
barely remember what life was like back then...
You beat me by only four days? I thought you have been here longer
than that.
My first post (per Google) was October 7, 1997. And I, too, thought that
certain others had been here longer -- you and Laura, for instance.
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There must have been some interesting planetary "stuff" (Obaue: what's
the word I'm looking for? Begins with "c" I think but it's not
combination or concatenation...) going on at that time that brought us
all here at that moment.
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In what was apparently my second post, I managed to irritate several
regular posters, Truly Donovan among them, when I offered an opinion
about the practice of posting from work. (I didn't think it was right,
but maybe that was because there was no way I could do it.) Getting off
on the wrong foot, it's called (OBaue).
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I remember the issue being very controversial at that time. In those
days, I could post from work but very rarely did. Now that I work from
home a lot, I do post during what might be deemed working hours but then
I tend to work during what might be deemed sleeping hours and I remember
bjg telling me how aue functioned as coffee break conversation for those
working at home so I don't feel too guilty.
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But I was welcomed at some point early on -- I think by Donna and Garry,
and I think by email.
Aue T-shirts: I have two. I think I paid for them with peanut butter.
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I would have liked a T-shirt - Graeme always wears his to boinks. But I
am happy with the neck orders.
--
Laura
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