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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:41 pm
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:11:06 +0100, "Laura F. Spira"
<laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | I hope someone will post a definitive pronunciation soon - not that I'm
likely to have to say the word in the immediate future but it's bugging
me and I could do with crossing it off the list of irritating little
brain nags.
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Pronounced in my hearing as gnaw-guh-hide with emphasis on the gnaw.
| Quote: | (Life is one long senior moment these days: I spent most of
yesterday trying to remember the name of the clear liquid that you can
use for removing sticky residues that is not methylated spirits but
sounds similar, or so I thought.
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Mineral spirits?
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Orlando, FL
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dcw
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:00 pm
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In article <kp67l1dj67om5h4ghdavosb30a3uit740n@4ax.com>,
Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:11:06 +0100, "Laura F. Spira"
laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
(Life is one long senior moment these days: I spent most of
yesterday trying to remember the name of the clear liquid that you can
use for removing sticky residues that is not methylated spirits but
sounds similar, or so I thought.
Mineral spirits?
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I don't know that term. Possibly white spirit? Curiously, that seems
to be singular, while methylated spirit(s) can be singular or plural.
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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:05 pm
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:11:06 +0100, "Laura F. Spira"
laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
I hope someone will post a definitive pronunciation soon - not that I'm
likely to have to say the word in the immediate future but it's bugging
me and I could do with crossing it off the list of irritating little
brain nags.
Pronounced in my hearing as gnaw-guh-hide with emphasis on the gnaw.
(Life is one long senior moment these days: I spent most of
yesterday trying to remember the name of the clear liquid that you can
use for removing sticky residues that is not methylated spirits but
sounds similar, or so I thought.
Mineral spirits?
IRTA mineral sprites and had visions of fairies... |
I don't know what mineral spirits are but it was surgical spirit that I
was thinking of.
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Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
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Frances Kemmish
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:13 pm
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Laura F. Spira wrote:
| Quote: | I don't know what mineral spirits are but it was surgical spirit that I
was thinking of.
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What we used to call "turps substitute". White spirit, I think. I can't
remember what "surgical spirit" is called here. "Denatured alcohol",
perhaps. Or is that what they call meths?
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:41 pm
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:05:46 +0100, "Laura F. Spira"
<laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Tony Cooper wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:11:06 +0100, "Laura F. Spira"
laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
I hope someone will post a definitive pronunciation soon - not that I'm
likely to have to say the word in the immediate future but it's bugging
me and I could do with crossing it off the list of irritating little
brain nags.
Pronounced in my hearing as gnaw-guh-hide with emphasis on the gnaw.
(Life is one long senior moment these days: I spent most of
yesterday trying to remember the name of the clear liquid that you can
use for removing sticky residues that is not methylated spirits but
sounds similar, or so I thought.
Mineral spirits?
IRTA mineral sprites and had visions of fairies...
I don't know what mineral spirits are but it was surgical spirit that I
was thinking of.
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This is a situation where regional terminology will keep us forever
apart. Surgical spirit is not a term used here, and - evidently -
mineral spirits is not a term used there.
Mineral spirits is a clear liquid that is used as a paint thinner,
paint brush cleaner, and to remove sticky residue from objects (but
not people). It's a petroleum distillate. Just about any US garage
has a bottle of it in the place where paints and solvents are kept.
Surgical spirit, according to a quick Googlepeek, is what we would
call denatured alcohol. Just about any US medicine cabinet has bottle
of this, and it's used to remove the sticky residue that adhesives
leave on the skin. When an adhesive dressing or Band-Aid (Elastoplast
to you) is removed, the adhesive residue is wiped off with denatured
alcohol. (Our medicine cabinet contains Isopropyl alcohol for this
purpose)
This reminds me of an experience I had in Munich. After a few days of
walking around in wet shoes, I developed a case of athlete's foot; a
problem that can be quickly cleared up with a couple of applications
of Desenex ointment. However, it seems that "athlete's foot" and
"Desenex" are completely unknown terms in Germany.
I'm sure that Germans develop that terrible itching and cracking
between the toes that we call "athlete's foot", and that Germans have
some product that cures it. I did stop short of removing my shoe and
sock and holding up my toes for inspection at the pharmacy counter, so
I never found out the proper terms.
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William
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:58 pm
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | I'm sure that Germans develop that terrible itching and cracking
between the toes that we call "athlete's foot", and that Germans have
some product that cures it. I did stop short of removing my shoe and
sock and holding up my toes for inspection at the pharmacy counter, so
I never found out the proper terms.
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Fußpilz
see:
http://www.gesundheit-aktuell.de/Was_ist_Fusspilz.79.0.html
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Pat Durkin
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:03 pm
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"Tony Cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:05:46 +0100, "Laura F. Spira">
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Tony Cooper wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:11:06 +0100, "Laura F. Spira"
(Life is one long senior moment these days: I spent most of
yesterday trying to remember the name of the clear liquid that you can
use for removing sticky residues that is not methylated spirits but
sounds similar, or so I thought.
I don't know what mineral spirits are but it was surgical spirit that I
was thinking of.
This is a situation where regional terminology will keep us forever
apart. Surgical spirit is not a term used here, and - evidently -
mineral spirits is not a term used there.
Surgical spirit, according to a quick Googlepeek, is what we would
call denatured alcohol. Just about any US medicine cabinet has bottle
of this, and it's used to remove the sticky residue that adhesives
leave on the skin. When an adhesive dressing or Band-Aid (Elastoplast
to you) is removed, the adhesive residue is wiped off with denatured
alcohol. (Our medicine cabinet contains Isopropyl alcohol for this
purpose)
This reminds me of an experience I had in Munich. After a few days of
walking around in wet shoes, I developed a case of athlete's foot; a
problem that can be quickly cleared up with a couple of applications
of Desenex ointment. However, it seems that "athlete's foot" and
"Desenex" are completely unknown terms in Germany.
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I've never tried (rubbing) isopropyl alcohol on athlete's foot. However,
Listerine lists a generous percentage of alcohol*. I use listerine at the
first little tingle of an itch. Stings a bit. Do you suppose that is why
Desenex became so popular? I am assuming it doesn't sting upon application.
*Not that alcohol is the primary antiseptic ingredient. It isn't listed
among the active (less than .5% ingredients, which contain Thymol,
Eucalyptol, Methyl Salicylate and Menthol. I probably get the fungus so
drunk it just goes to sleep. But it doesn't come back for more. I get the
problem less often than yearly. I would expect Desenex or whatever would
lose some effectiveness over a span of 10 or 15 years. |
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:27 pm
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Laura F. Spira filted:
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Tony Cooper wrote:
Mineral spirits?
IRTA mineral sprites and had visions of fairies...
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Kobolds, innit?...r |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:36 pm
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:03:39 GMT, "Pat Durkin" <durk183@sbcglobal.com>
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"Tony Cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:05:46 +0100, "Laura F. Spira"
Tony Cooper wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:11:06 +0100, "Laura F. Spira"
(Life is one long senior moment these days: I spent most of
yesterday trying to remember the name of the clear liquid that you can
use for removing sticky residues that is not methylated spirits but
sounds similar, or so I thought.
I don't know what mineral spirits are but it was surgical spirit that I
was thinking of.
This is a situation where regional terminology will keep us forever
apart. Surgical spirit is not a term used here, and - evidently -
mineral spirits is not a term used there.
Surgical spirit, according to a quick Googlepeek, is what we would
call denatured alcohol. Just about any US medicine cabinet has bottle
of this, and it's used to remove the sticky residue that adhesives
leave on the skin. When an adhesive dressing or Band-Aid (Elastoplast
to you) is removed, the adhesive residue is wiped off with denatured
alcohol. (Our medicine cabinet contains Isopropyl alcohol for this
purpose)
This reminds me of an experience I had in Munich. After a few days of
walking around in wet shoes, I developed a case of athlete's foot; a
problem that can be quickly cleared up with a couple of applications
of Desenex ointment. However, it seems that "athlete's foot" and
"Desenex" are completely unknown terms in Germany.
I've never tried (rubbing) isopropyl alcohol on athlete's foot.
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Whoa! You have take two separate thoughts and combined them. Desenex
and isopropyl alcohol are two different things with two entirely
different uses.
| Quote: | However,
Listerine lists a generous percentage of alcohol*. I use listerine at the
first little tingle of an itch. Stings a bit. Do you suppose that is why
Desenex became so popular? I am assuming it doesn't sting upon application.
*Not that alcohol is the primary antiseptic ingredient. It isn't listed
among the active (less than .5% ingredients, which contain Thymol,
Eucalyptol, Methyl Salicylate and Menthol. I probably get the fungus so
drunk it just goes to sleep. But it doesn't come back for more. I get the
problem less often than yearly. I would expect Desenex or whatever would
lose some effectiveness over a span of 10 or 15 years.
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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:38 pm
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:05:46 +0100, "Laura F. Spira"
laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
Tony Cooper wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:11:06 +0100, "Laura F. Spira"
laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
I hope someone will post a definitive pronunciation soon - not that I'm
likely to have to say the word in the immediate future but it's bugging
me and I could do with crossing it off the list of irritating little
brain nags.
Pronounced in my hearing as gnaw-guh-hide with emphasis on the gnaw.
(Life is one long senior moment these days: I spent most of
yesterday trying to remember the name of the clear liquid that you can
use for removing sticky residues that is not methylated spirits but
sounds similar, or so I thought.
Mineral spirits?
IRTA mineral sprites and had visions of fairies...
I don't know what mineral spirits are but it was surgical spirit that I
was thinking of.
This is a situation where regional terminology will keep us forever
apart. Surgical spirit is not a term used here, and - evidently -
mineral spirits is not a term used there.
Mineral spirits is a clear liquid that is used as a paint thinner,
paint brush cleaner, and to remove sticky residue from objects (but
not people). It's a petroleum distillate. Just about any US garage
has a bottle of it in the place where paints and solvents are kept.
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That's what we call white spirit, I think.
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Laura
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:37 pm
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Mike Barnes <october2005@mikebarnes.fsnet.co.uk> writes:
| Quote: | In alt.usage.english, Lothar Frings wrote:
Hello,
I'm aware that song lyrics aren't exactly a reference
for good English, but anyway:
(1) From The Monkees - Randy Scouse Git (Alternate Title):
"Why don't you be like me?"
Shouldn't this be "Why aren't you like me?"
"Why don't you be like me?" refers specifically to voluntary
features of the person, whereas "Why aren't you like me?" could
refer to things out of their control (age, background, etc). Also
many people say "Why don't you..." when what they really mean is "I
think you should...". So "Why don't you be like me?" emphasises the
element of choice, and might indicate a request.
Of course the whole idea of "being like" another person makes no
sense unless you're specific about the personal feature(s) referred
to.
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The context both in the song and time (1967) make it pretty clear the
sort of personal features that are meant:
Why don't you cut your hair?
Why don't you live up there?
Why don't you do what I do,
See what I feel when I care?
Why don't you be like me?
Why don't you stop and see?
Why don't you hate who I hate,
Kill who I kill to be free.
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Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
HP Laboratories |He who will not reason, is a bigot;
1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |he who cannot is a fool; and he who
Palo Alto, CA 94304 |dares not is a slave.
| Sir William Drummond
kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com
(650)857-7572
http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ |
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Harvey Van Sickle
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:35 pm
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On 17 Oct 2005, Salvatore Volatile wrote
| Quote: | Troy Steadman wrote:
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re: naugahyde
| Quote: | Ah! I'd never heard of it. Thanks.
You might not also know that Naugahyde was named after Naugatuck,
a redneck hill-town in the center of a snow belt in
central-western Connecticut just outside the
economically-depressed mill city of Waterbury.
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Ah, damn; you've gone and spoiled that line about "Do you realise how
many naugas were killed to cover this sofa?"
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Cheers, Harvey
Canadian (30 years) and British (23 years)
For e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van |
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Martin Ambuhl
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:31 pm
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Lothar Frings wrote:
| Quote: | Hello,
I'm aware that song lyrics aren't exactly a reference
for good English, but anyway:
(1) From The Monkees - Randy Scouse Git (Alternate Title):
"Why don't you be like me?"
Shouldn't this be "Why aren't you like me?" It also
would match the rhythm and meter.
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'Why do you'+<non-finite verb phrase> and
'Why don't you'+<non-finite verb phrase> are perferctly good English.
What basis should we have for rejecting this instance of a normal
English structure?
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(2) From AC/DC - TNT:
"I'm dirty, mean, and mighty unclean"
What difference is there between dirty and unclean?
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I doubt that AC/DC have any greater grasp of English than they do of
music. Most popular songs are repetitive in both music and text, so one
should not expect that there is a difference in these terms. Yet, there
is a huge range of difference. Since 'unclean' in the gospel-roots of
American popular music refers to uncleanliness before God, and so many
blues or rock songs deal with disease -- often STDs, but the also such
things as consumption -- there is a huge domain for you to exercise your
powers of creative interpretation. |
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TakenEvent
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:42 pm
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"Lothar Frings" <da_lodda@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:1129532882.759743.200520@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Hello,
I'm aware that song lyrics aren't exactly a reference
for good English, but anyway:
(1) From The Monkees - Randy Scouse Git (Alternate Title):
"Why don't you be like me?"
Shouldn't this be "Why aren't you like me?" It also
would match the rhythm and meter.
(2) From AC/DC - TNT:
"I'm dirty, mean, and mighty unclean"
What difference is there between dirty and unclean?
Unclean is a fundamental state of being, requiring much to change: perhaps |
even a religious ceremony. Dirty requires only the easiest of cures --
sometimes soap, sometimes a change of attitude or will. |
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Ross Howard
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:46 pm
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:31:26 GMT, Martin Ambuhl
<mambuhl@earthlink.net> wrought:
| Quote: | I doubt that AC/DC have any greater grasp of English than they do of
music.
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Oy! Angus Young is a fine musician. He also wears shorts at all times,
so he's massive in Denmark.
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Ross Howard |
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