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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:00 pm    Post subject: What do you call the steering wheel of a ship? Reply with quote

What do you call the steering wheel of a ship? what do you call the
person in charge of it?

Like the one pictured on the old netscape icon
http://www.helpdesk.uconn.edu/Netscape/MAC/IMG301/NETDOC6.GIF

Thanks.
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Alec McKenzie
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: What do you call the steering wheel of a ship? Reply with quote

Helm, helmsman.

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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: What do you call the steering wheel of a ship? Reply with quote

Thanks. That's the word I was looking for. Helm.
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:07 pm    Post subject: Re: What do you call the steering wheel of a ship? Reply with quote

or 'the wheel' and 'the helmsperson'?
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Charles Riggs
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:26 pm    Post subject: Re: What do you call the steering wheel of a ship? Reply with quote

The wheel or the helm. The man in charge is called the Captain.

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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 7:07 am    Post subject: Re: What do you call the steering wheel of a ship? Reply with quote

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The wheel or the helm. The man in charge is called the Captain.

Well, only in the sense that the captain is ultimately in charge of
every aspect of the ship's operation.
I believe the questioner wanted the specific word for the person
directly in charge of operating the wheel (or helm) in order to steer the
ship --- that person is the "helmsman", also known as the "pilot".
To say that the person in charge of the wheel is called the captain is
about as meaningful as saying that the person in charge of emptying the
office wastebaskets is called the CEO.
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:15 pm    Post subject: Re: What do you call the steering wheel of a ship? Reply with quote

It is often the captain himself who is at the wheel, especially on
smaller vessels. In that case, he'd technically be "the helmsman", but
few would call him that, although to say he is "at the helm" would be
commonplace.

If not the captain at the helm, I agree the usual word is "helmsman".

A pilot, however, may or may not be at the helm. The person steering a
vessel is never called the pilot for that reason alone. Piloting is
piloting and steering is steering, if you get my drift. A finer point
is that piloting and navigating are two different things.
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:16 pm    Post subject: Re: What do you call the steering wheel of a ship? Reply with quote

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I think the OP probably wanted to know about the helmsman, but unless he tells us we'll never know for sure.

It was, and he already has.

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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:17 pm    Post subject: Re: What do you call the steering wheel of a ship? Reply with quote

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A pilot, however, may or may not be at the helm. The person steering a
vessel is never called the pilot for that reason alone. Piloting is
piloting and steering is steering, if you get my drift. A finer point
is that piloting and navigating are two different things.

My understanding was that pilots are port-authority employees who go
on board as ships approach a harbour, using their specialised local
knowledge to steer them -- or direct the tugs towing them -- safely to
their mooring. Is that not right?

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Jim Lawton
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:28 pm    Post subject: Re: What do you call the steering wheel of a ship? Reply with quote

Quote:
Well, only in the sense that the captain is ultimately in charge of
every aspect of the ship's operation.
I believe the questioner wanted the specific word for the person
directly in charge of operating the wheel (or helm) in order to steer the
ship --- that person is the "helmsman", also known as the "pilot".

Well I was going to say that the "pilot" was absolutely not the same thing but
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pilot has :-

2. Nautical
a. One who, though not belonging to a ship's company, is licensed to conduct a
ship into and out of port or through dangerous waters.
b. The helmsman of a ship.

Before this, I would only have thought of meaning (a), and in fact many other
references only have that as the meaning.

See flags "G" and "H" here http://www.anbg.gov.au/flags/signal-meaning.html
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:41 pm    Post subject: Re: What do you call the steering wheel of a ship? Reply with quote

Quote:
If not the captain at the helm, I agree the usual word is "helmsman".

A captain holding the helm in person would be rare indeed,
on any vessel where 'captain' would have practical meaning.
(In the sense that there are officers and men)

A captains task is to give orders,

Jan
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: What do you call the steering wheel of a ship? Reply with quote

Jim Lawton <usenet1@jimlawton.TAKEOUTinfo> wrote:

Quote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 02:03:14 GMT, "Alan" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Charles Riggs" <chriggs@éircom.net> wrote in message
news:4s8vk1hr95g29ssiseg03olkd3qic6l1sj@4ax.com...
On 14 Oct 2005 03:00:47 -0700, casioculture@gmail.com wrote:


What do you call the steering wheel of a ship? what do you call the
person in charge of it?

The wheel or the helm. The man in charge is called the Captain.

--
Charles Riggs

Well, only in the sense that the captain is ultimately in charge of
every aspect of the ship's operation.
I believe the questioner wanted the specific word for the person
directly in charge of operating the wheel (or helm) in order to steer the
ship --- that person is the "helmsman", also known as the "pilot".

Well I was going to say that the "pilot" was absolutely not the same thing but
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pilot has :-

2. Nautical
a. One who, though not belonging to a ship's company, is licensed to conduct a
ship into and out of port or through dangerous waters.

And often the other way round too:
many ports won't allow a ship to enter
unless there is one of their pilots in control,
(and usually not at the helm)

Jan
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: What do you call the steering wheel of a ship? Reply with quote

Charles Riggs wrote:
Quote:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 02:03:14 GMT, "Alan" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com
wrote:


"Charles Riggs" <chriggs@éircom.net> wrote in message
news:4s8vk1hr95g29ssiseg03olkd3qic6l1sj@4ax.com...
On 14 Oct 2005 03:00:47 -0700, casioculture@gmail.com wrote:


What do you call the steering wheel of a ship? what do you call the
person in charge of it?

The wheel or the helm. The man in charge is called the Captain.

The OP asked "what do you call the person in charge of [the steering
wheel]." The answer depends on what "in charge of" means, as Charles
seems to realize. On ships of any substantial size, the helmsman
manipulates the wheel but someone else tells him when to turn it and
what course to set. In the US Navy, only one person at a time is
allows to give orders to the helm, and that person is said to have
"the conn." The person with the conn may be the captain, the
executive officer, or any officer or petty officer standing watch on
the bridge.

I think the OP probably wanted to know about the helmsman, but unless
he tells us we'll never know for sure.

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Bob Lieblich
Who has had the conn in his time
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:25 pm    Post subject: Re: What do you call the steering wheel of a ship? Reply with quote

David Taylor wrote:
Quote:

Robert Lieblich <robert.lieblich@verizon.net> wrote on Sat, 15 Oct 2005 07:58:37 -0400:

I think the OP probably wanted to know about the helmsman, but unless
he tells us we'll never know for sure.

It was, and he already has.

Thanks. I must have slept through that.
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Charles Riggs
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: What do you call the steering wheel of a ship? Reply with quote

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:17:45 +0200, Ross Howard <gguiri@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Quote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 08:15:25 +0100, Charles Riggs <chriggs@éircom.net
wrought:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 02:03:14 GMT, "Alan" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com
wrote:


"Charles Riggs" <chriggs@éircom.net> wrote in message
news:4s8vk1hr95g29ssiseg03olkd3qic6l1sj@4ax.com...
On 14 Oct 2005 03:00:47 -0700, casioculture@gmail.com wrote:


What do you call the steering wheel of a ship? what do you call the
person in charge of it?

The wheel or the helm. The man in charge is called the Captain.

--
Charles Riggs

Well, only in the sense that the captain is ultimately in charge of
every aspect of the ship's operation.
I believe the questioner wanted the specific word for the person
directly in charge of operating the wheel (or helm) in order to steer the
ship --- that person is the "helmsman", also known as the "pilot".
To say that the person in charge of the wheel is called the captain is
about as meaningful as saying that the person in charge of emptying the
office wastebaskets is called the CEO.

It is often the captain himself who is at the wheel, especially on
smaller vessels. In that case, he'd technically be "the helmsman", but
few would call him that, although to say he is "at the helm" would be
commonplace.

If not the captain at the helm, I agree the usual word is "helmsman".

A pilot, however, may or may not be at the helm. The person steering a
vessel is never called the pilot for that reason alone. Piloting is
piloting and steering is steering, if you get my drift. A finer point
is that piloting and navigating are two different things.

My understanding was that pilots are port-authority employees who go
on board as ships approach a harbour, using their specialised local
knowledge to steer them -- or direct the tugs towing them -- safely to
their mooring. Is that not right?

It is right. Still, a person can learn, without being a professional,
piloting in given waters. Piloting requires localized knowledge;
navigation and, of course, steering do not.
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Charles Riggs
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